Play Nice Majak Daw in hospital after jumping from the Bolte bridge

[Bunk Moreland]

There’s no confirmation regarding what made him do this, think people should just hold fire assuming things.

 

[Coaster2012]

It's probably women who have a harder time opening up and dealing with their emotions than men do. After all, female rates of suicide attempts are substantially higher than males.

You kidding? Women have trouble opening up with emotions more than men? Have you ever met an Australian male or a woman for that matter? In fact, Australian men were the worst in the world for suicide in a study 10 years ago. Woman are ALOT better at expressing themselves emotionally than men, it's a non contest. Hence why your Mrs balls her eyes out to the Notebook every time.

And on a side note, or rather, the topic at hand. is this Daw situation being treated as a potential suicide?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The AFL could do much more to help reduce the stigma around mental health issues that still prevails. Mental health gets some attention such as the "Beyond Blue Cup" played each year by the Hawks, but that is a club initiative.

Instead, we have "superheros"...

I think a lot has been done and there is of course more work to do.

Let’s just wait and see what the facts here are before jumping to assumptions about what may have led to it.

 

[tugga]

My thoughts are with Majak and his family.

 

[Hawkie_McHawkHawk]

I think community attitudes to mental health are still a problem and can still change. I see negative attitudes in my workplace, at social gatherings, even from family members, let alone from the public. And of course that can change.

You can't beleive there is no stigma? People know it is supposed to be wrong to be racist... doesn't mean.........

i agree there is a still a stigma and in all honesty there probably always will be to an extent, I just think the AFL does (too much IMO) enough to socially engineer already and that things such as mental health awareness have come an enormous way especially from where it was 10 years ago.
Mental health awareness will continue to be improved, but in my opinion the real problem is people’s expectations of modern life, social media, keeping up with the Jones’s, and of course a society that gets faster and faster. We need to be better at teaching from a young age that money/ status and what is deemed ‘success’ these days aren’t factors in the slightest for a young person developing Into a happy, well adjusted person (Sorry for the rant)

 

[Engimal v3]

Bolte Bridge has no footpath, right? You'd have to drive and get out, which is how I can't understand how he'd fall. Hopefully he's getting the care he needs, regardless of what happened.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Naturally my thoughts are with those suffering.

For those wondering about the Bolte Bridge and the danger of jumping from it:

An investigation by the Coroners Prevention Unit has called one major Melbourne bridge - which Fairfax Media has chosen not to identify - a "suicide hot-spot", with 13 suicides from that location in almost 20 years.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...rriers-for-deadly-bridge-20150424-1msckc.html

I suspect that is the Bolte Bridge they are talking about. 13 deaths in 20 years. Without knowing how many suicide attempts took place in that time, it is hard to say how relatively dangerous it is, but it would seem that people can and do die by jumping from the Bolte.

What gets me is, why not just drive a little further and jump from the West Gate? The barriers wouldn't be able to stop an athletic person: they are more deterrenece than physical impediment. May be that those in such a state of mind are not putting as much thought into it as I am, sitting here at my computer.

 

[The Warlord]

My best mate is a Richmond supporter. Has three kids. First two he MADE into Richmond supporters, but then when his third came along, he messages me saying he was worried that his partner and brother in law were going to make the little fella a Collingwood supporter. They were living in North Melbourne at the time, and he said he could handle a North supporting kid, just not a Collingwood kid, what could he do?

I contacted a good friend who was working at North at told them the situation, they had a great solution.

I bought a little North jumper and this person took it to Majak who wrote on it:

"<Mate's Kid's Name> - we're both new round here, but we're both North for life. Majak Daw"

I took it back and gave it to my mate who was thrilled. The kiddie is now seven and a proud little Kanga who has subsequently met Majak at a Family Day who instantly remembered the message on the jumper - even though it was years before when he wrote it - and spent a lot of time with the little tacker, who was absolutely thrilled.

Get well soon Majak!

 

[tigertigertiger]

Where is the source that says he attempted suicide? It could be an incident where he was pushed or something? Anything official or is this an assumption guess thread ?

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Yes unfortunately in Australia there are 8 suicides a day and 6 of those are male.

Females are more likely to have mental health conditions then men, however males are less likely to talk or seek help for their problems which lead to the more serious repercussions of suicide.

Is it also possible that not all mental health problems are the same?

To suggest that women are 'more likely to have mental health conditions' is to assume that 'mental health conditions' are a unitary thing.

What may be a 'mental health problem' for a woman may be a part of life for a man.

Loneliness, for instance. Women tend to receive unsolicited attention from other people as a matter of course.

Most men? Unless they actively pursue human interaction, most men are completely ignored by society.

 

[RAPPA]

Where is the source that says he attempted suicide? It could be an incident where he was pushed or something? Anything official or is this an assumption guess thread ?

All of the media articles end with the Lifeline info. If it was anything other than self-inflicted, I would’ve thought the articles would state that police are investigating etc

 

[Coaster2012]

The AFL could do much more to help reduce the stigma around mental health issues that still prevails. Mental health gets some attention such as the "Beyond Blue Cup" played each year by the Hawks, but that is a club initiative.

Instead, we have "superheros"...

Nothing wrong with superheros. Not everything in footy needs to be about suicide, mental health, cancer, poverty, racism, war. It's okay to just be a little silly sometimes and escape for a few hours.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Where is the source that says he attempted suicide? It could be an incident where he was pushed or something? Anything official or is this an assumption guess thread ?

You don't just fall off the Bolte Bridge at 3am.

Media are doing the right thing by not explicitly reporting it as a suicide attempt. Don't want to give anyone who may be considering doing something similar any ideas.

 

[Rich01]

Poor guy.
Life can be pretty tough sometimes.

Wish him all the best.

 

[Coaster2012]

All of the media articles end with the Lifeline info. If it was anything other than self-inflicted, I would’ve thought the articles would state that police are investigating etc

Then why not just state it? I don't understand. Here we are trying to lift the stigma as a society, why simultaneously trying to keep it hush hush.

 

[beta_condition]

It's probably women who have a harder time opening up and dealing with their emotions than men do. After all, female rates of suicide attempts are substantially higher than males.

You honestly cant be serious? Attempt suicide is a bullshit statics, the majority of male attempts go undocumented since males tend not to seek help, they make up over 3/4 of all suicides.


I hope the media gives Daw his space and he can get the help to deal with his issues and can recover to enjoy his life again.

 

[The Warlord]

Maybe it was the result of a snap decision after an incident, rather than something that's been festering? Hope for the club's sake it's not related to footy.

Majak's always been held to a different standard. The vast majority of rookies don't have the expectation heaped on them. He did. The vast majority of players don't get abused - repeatedly - for the colour their skin. He did. The vast majority of allegations about sexual assault from footballers never make it past the rumour stage, Majak got put up into a full County Court trial, and then acquitted. I doubt it is directly linked to footy, but at that same time, everything in footy can't help but affect who he is.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Um I could be wrong but I think it is the opposite. I think men have considerably higher rates of suicide than women do.

Not quite right - men have higher rates of successful suicide, but I believe attempted suicide is a different story.

Heart goes out to Daw and his family, just horrible.

 

[Fabab]

Hope Majak gets help to get through his issues and gets his life back on track.

 

[Catoggio76]

Can confirm there is an agreed Media Blackout for suicide jumpers from the West Gate, the Bolte and the Arts Centre Spiral.

The other media blackout that is honoured is rail line suiciders.

Other comment I want to make is about those saying "Majak will get the help he needs." No, he needs to WANT to help himself. no one asked Majak to live in the AFL bubble and exclude himself from society.

In saying that, I hope he is well.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Nothing wrong with superheros. Not everything in footy needs to be about suicide, mental health, cancer, poverty, racism, war. It's okay to just be a little silly sometimes and escape for a few hours.

I fully agree that some people see it that way, and could even view the alternate views as kill joys.

I personally see the "superhero" motifs as a little tone deaf, if not jarring with the values that sports can teach to kids.

Nurses, carers, teachers, are role models. The sport's culture is best imo when it blends with the everyday lives of Australians rather than with something glitzy, momentary and a thinly concealed commercial.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Terrible news. Depression is a very different problem to just the emotion of sadness, as I certainly wouldn't have picked him as a person who was feeling sad. Hope he gets the proper support needed to get back on track.

https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508

Does that factor in repeat attempts? As I understand it men are far more likely to opt for more lethal methods whereas women are more likely to opt for things like pills which are easy to stuff up, so it could balance out to a horrible even statistic where it's a similar number of men and women who opt for it.

 

[its free real estate]

Majak's always been held to a different standard. The vast majority of rookies don't have the expectation heaped on them. He did.

Part of that is North's overhyping of him.

The rest I agree with - don't see Dayne Beams under anywhere near as much scrutiny.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

What gets me is, why not just drive a little further and jump from the West Gate? The barriers wouldn't be able to stop an athletic person: they are more deterrenece than physical impediment. May be that those in such a state of mind are not putting as much thought into it as I am, sitting here at my computer.

When someone gets to the point that they decide to try and take their own life they're not thinking clearly

 

[Ron The Bear]

Part of that is North's overhyping of him.

When he arrived at the club there was a picture of him in the paper looking like a ball of muscle, and an accompanying article with a North official saying he was a few years away from having a build ready for the AFL.