Play Nice Majak Daw in hospital after jumping from the Bolte bridge

[1970crow]

This isn't a silly moment sadly

Even though he may have been struggling for a while and had these tendencies, it does seem to be a bit rash. There's no certainty of death jumping from a high bridge like that. Which makes it seem a little unplanned in terms of getting the result that he was after. Hopefully he gets the help that he needs and this event is a turning point towards being in a much happy place.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Part of that is North's overhyping of him.

The rest I agree with - don't see Dayne Beams under anywhere near as much scrutiny.

Are you based in WA?

The Vic AFL media were hyping Majak before he was even drafted.

 

[kendrick]

Very sad news, people often think they must have the best life earning amazing money and playing a game we all love plus all the other perks of being a sports celebrity.

But everyone has issues and mental demons no matter how successful you are, It just depends on our ability to cope or seek help.. Im sure growing up in Sudan and I assume seeing alot of tragedy can never be forgotten about.

I attempted suicide 5 years ago and spent 3 weeks in a coma as a result, It truly is the toughest fight you will ever have in you're life and its even harder when you don't even know what is the source.. You just feel like shit all day every day..

I hope Majak comes out the otherside on top and he is in a great support system to help him through the journey...

I actually hate North with a passion.. But there is no player I now will be barracking for harder to get back to his feet than Daw.

 

[its free real estate]

Are you based in WA?

The Vic AFL media were hyping Majak before he was even drafted.

Fair enough.

Anyway, all the best to him. Apparently every jumper who survives says they regretted it immediately after jumping. He has a second chance now.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

When someone gets to the point that they decide to try and take their own life they're not thinking clearly

In many cases this is correct. But do you really believe that this is true in all cases?

Many elderly people end their own lives after much contemplation and thought. This is the reality.

 

[Milanista28]

It seems to me that we have more AFL players having mental health issues as opposed to all other sports in this country, although I could be well off in this regard and it may just be my perspective.

Do we push these guys way too hard, are the clubs/league helping enough?

I mean we are judging 16 year olds at very high standards before they even make the grade, but I understand that's the industry and not sure what can change.

 

[The Filth]

Part of that is North's overhyping of him.

The rest I agree with - don't see Dayne Beams under anywhere near as much scrutiny.

BS..

 

[tigertigertiger]

Naturally my thoughts are with those suffering.

For those wondering about the Bolte Bridge and the danger of jumping from it:


https://www.theage.com.au/national/...rriers-for-deadly-bridge-20150424-1msckc.html

I suspect that is the Bolte Bridge they are talking about. 13 deaths in 20 years. Without knowing how many suicide attempts took place in that time, it is hard to say how relatively dangerous it is, but it would seem that people can and do die by jumping from the Bolte.

What gets me is, why not just drive a little further and jump from the West Gate? The barriers wouldn't be able to stop an athletic person: they are more deterrenece than physical impediment. May be that those in such a state of mind are not putting as much thought into it as I am, sitting here at my computer.

I also think the west gate is not 100% suicide proof like it’s claimed to be! Prevents a lot probably due to the effort but if someone has made the decision they’ll definitely get over those barriers, someone like daw would be more than capable!

Terrible for daw and although none of our business I would like to know why he would attempt (if it was an attempt) only from the outside looking in he has a life many of us could only dream of!

 

[The Warlord]

Part of that is North's overhyping of him.

The rest I agree with - don't see Dayne Beams under anywhere near as much scrutiny.

We knocked back 95 per cent of the requests for him to do media etc. We didn't overhype him.

 

[The Warlord]

When he arrived at the club there was a picture of him in the paper looking like a ball of muscle, and an accompanying article with a North official saying he was a few years away from having a build ready for the AFL.

Scott especially was keen to play down the hype.

 

[Cmarsh]

You kidding? Women have trouble opening up with emotions more than men? Have you ever met an Australian male or a woman for that matter? In fact, Australian men were the worst in the world for suicide in a study 10 years ago. Woman are ALOT better at expressing themselves emotionally than men, it's a non contest. Hence why your Mrs balls her eyes out to the Notebook every time.

And on a side note, or rather, the topic at hand. is this Daw situation being treated as a potential suicide?

Where are you getting the stat that Aus leads the world in male suicides? A quick look at the World Health Organisations 2015 ranking for suicide by country shows Australia is 59th for male suicides.

Anyway, maybe we are getting the assumption wrong that if people just talk about their emotions then everything will be allright in terms of suicide prevention? Females may be better at talking emotions than men are as you point out, but since female suicide attempt rates are 3 times higher than mens maybe this ability isnt helping women all that much. Why do we assume not "bottling it up" would suddenly bring male suicide rates tumbling down?

 

[zyzzbruh]

It seems to me that we have more AFL players having mental health issues as opposed to all other sports in this country, although I could be well off in this regard and it may just be my perspective.

Do we push these guys way too hard, are the clubs/league helping enough?

I mean we are judging 16 year olds at very high standards before they even make the grade, but I understand that's the industry and not sure what can change.

Highly doubt it’s a footy related issue

 

[mouncey2franklin]

since female suicide attempt rates are 3 times higher than mens

Not all 'suicide attempts' are the same.

Some are cries for help (or even cries for attention).

Look into how men tend to try to commit suicide, vs how women do it.

Ask yourself if all 'suicide attempts' are really an attempt to die.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

In many cases this is correct. But do you really believe that this is true in all cases?

Many elderly people end their own lives after much contemplation and thought. This is the reality.

Obviously i have no idea the thoughts going through each individuals heads before that make an attempt but I still believe it to be the case in the vast majority.

The situation you refer to would be when someone's quality of life has been diminished drastically, this is normally due to living with constant suffering from an incurable disease or in constant pain. I reckon living like that would definitely have an effect on your ability to think clearly.

 

[bushwood]

Heartbreaking to think what he must be going through, hope this gets him the help he needs.

 

[Jase Cutler]

Question: For people who want to commit suicide, is there not a good chance you know you can survive if the below is water? For eg, the Redbull Cliffjumping series has competitors jumping between 25-30m. Not making light of these situations, just want to have a better understanding.

 

[Milanista28]

Highly doubt it’s a footy related issue

I think it plays a part for sure, many factors would.

Sad story.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Question: For people who want to commit suicide, is there not a good chance you know you can survive if the below is water? For eg, the Redbull Cliffjumping series has competitors jumping between 25-30m. Not making light of these situations, just want to have a better understanding.

A 2015 article stated that 13 people had died in the previous 20 years jumping from the Bolte. Another article referred to an unnamed Melbourne bridge (presumably the Bolte) as a suicide “hotspot”.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Question: For people who want to commit suicide, is there not a good chance you know you can survive if the below is water? For eg, the Redbull Cliffjumping series has competitors jumping between 25-30m. Not making light of these situations, just want to have a better understanding.

People who attempt suicide don't actually want to die. Their head has convinced them that it's their only rational choice. Might lead them to choose locations where there's a chance they'll survive.

 

[mxett]

You don't just fall off the Bolte Bridge at 3am.

Media are doing the right thing by not explicitly reporting it as a suicide attempt. Don't want to give anyone who may be considering doing something similar any ideas.

Also, hearing stories of others who have become so desperate as to attempt to take their lives can tip others over the edge who may be teetering on the edge.

Really sad news for Majak. For some personalities the pressure of elite professional sport can be very difficult. Hope he can now get the help he needs. Success in Football is nowhere near as important as living a fulfilling life.

 

[rand corp]

Horrifying story to wake up to this morning, wish him all the best and a full recovery. Tragic news and trust he is getting all the help and care he needs as are his family who must be traumatized.

 

[Macpotata]

God Bless Majak. Hopefuly peace, strength and happiness come your way fro here on in.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Naturally my thoughts are with those suffering.

For those wondering about the Bolte Bridge and the danger of jumping from it:


https://www.theage.com.au/national/...rriers-for-deadly-bridge-20150424-1msckc.html

I suspect that is the Bolte Bridge they are talking about. 13 deaths in 20 years. Without knowing how many suicide attempts took place in that time, it is hard to say how relatively dangerous it is, but it would seem that people can and do die by jumping from the Bolte.

What gets me is, why not just drive a little further and jump from the West Gate? The barriers wouldn't be able to stop an athletic person: they are more deterrenece than physical impediment. May be that those in such a state of mind are not putting as much thought into it as I am, sitting here at my computer.

The barriers slow the process and they are pretty red hot onto anyone who stops on the bridge.

 

[Sainteric]

More than 100 international studies have been conducted looking at the link between media reporting of suicide and suicidal behaviour. A critical review, Suicide in the News and Information Media, was conducted in 2010 to inform the development of resources for media and other sectors engaged by the Mindframe National Media Initiative. The study was an update of an earlier critical review which examined how the media represents suicide and the impact of that representation on attitudes and behaviour in the community1.

There is strong support for the relationship between media reporting of suicide deaths and increases in completed and attempted suicide rates. These increases cannot be explained by suicides that may have occurred anyway, as they are not followed by commensurate decreases in rates2.

• For example, a major 1995 study of coverage in Australian newspapers found that rates of male suicide increased following reports of suicide, with actual male suicides peaking on the third day after the story first appeared3.

http://www.mindframe-media.info/for...-research/evidence-about-suicide-in-the-media

Maybe the media should be a bit more responsible when it comes to the reporting of these incidents?

Plenty of literature (actual peer reviewed, not random twitter users) on increase of incidents following the reporting of this.

They do there is a pact between the police and the media to not report jumping off the westgate, or jumping infront of trains in Brisbane etc as its believed as soon as you do the numbers of attempts spike upwards. Perhaps the only reason this got reported is because he is an afl footballer

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

What a terrifying thing it must be. There is a documentary called the Bridge and it films the Golden Gate for 12 months and it’s chilling. It then tracks down family and friends of jumpers to see what the state of mind was like etc.
But it also interviews two survivors who both say as soon as they jumped they regretted it and shit themselves, it makes you wonder did they survive because they went into survival mode or do most feel that regret once they leap?
It’s scary stuff and I often wonder because my cousin jumped off the Westgate.