Malceski early return

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Swans doc thought it seemed like the best option, so they went for it. Every surgery has risks, and I'd think that drilling holes into your bone would be much more invasive than trying to repair what is already there.

Although, I must ask, which is priority number one - Malceski regaining the use of his leg or getting onto the field an being a star for us.
 
I think that article about it being banned in France may be a bit of a sensationalist piece. I've got full faith that the swans docs wouldn't put such a great young players career at risk unless they had weighed up the risk.
 

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Will they use the same approach with Kristin Thornton? They wait a week or so for the swelling to go down so I guess we find out in the next little while.

You'd argue he's young so wait but then again from his perspective he's been on the list for a while and so I'm sure he's feeling some pressure.
 
budge11 said:
What's your problem?

I asked because I'm generally interested, not 'trolling' and it's not for HS supercoach.

Nice way to treat others on your board

And btw, I did answer your question. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10179545#post10179545
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Agreed

Asking legitimate questions (even if there are ulterior motives - like dream team and the like) is not trolling and certainly not against the rules on this board.

I would like this board to remain a place where opposition supporters can feel comfortable to come and discuss Swans related issues, provided of course they remain respectful, which is what budge11's original question did.
 
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Originally Posted by budge11
What's your problem?

I asked because I'm generally interested, not 'trolling' and it's not for HS supercoach.

Nice way to treat others on your board

And btw, I did answer your question. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showth...5#post10179545

Agreed

Asking legitimate questions (even if there are ulterior motives - like dream team and the like) is not trolling and certainly not against the rules on this board.

I would like this board to remain a place where opposition supporters can feel comfortable to come and discuss Swans related issues, provided of course they remain respectful, which is what budge11's original question did.
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Whilst I do agree dear Benevolent with your caring attitude to others, my main issue was that their was a whole other thread devoted to the opportunities that the injury to Malceski would create.

I was simply directing budge11 to this thread in a loving caring manner
 
Hopelesslyaddicted said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by budge11
What's your problem?

I asked because I'm generally interested, not 'trolling' and it's not for HS supercoach.

Nice way to treat others on your board

And btw, I did answer your question. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showth...5#post10179545

Agreed

Asking legitimate questions (even if there are ulterior motives - like dream team and the like) is not trolling and certainly not against the rules on this board.

I would like this board to remain a place where opposition supporters can feel comfortable to come and discuss Swans related issues, provided of course they remain respectful, which is what budge11's original question did.
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Whilst I do agree dear Benevolent with your caring attitude to others, my main issue was that their was a whole other thread devoted to the opportunities that the injury to Malceski would create.

I was simply directing budge11 to this thread in a loving caring manner
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gee, i'd like to feel a bit of that love and caring ... i have a tenner here ...
 
"Naff off," said Hoelesslyaddicted to a sorry looking rancidpants, dissolving any hope of another joining the lone note in his scarcely used wallet.


:D
 

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ssfc0203 said:
Ert's all gooned up and ready to go, don't let him down now..
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1) putrid vermin is NUTHIN like pesky varmint, apart from the initials
2) i now only have five dollars left, because i spent the OTHER five on buying out jarrad mcveigh's contract
3) stop trying to cause me trouble, girlie
 
There was another article in the paper (herald sun) today about Nick.

Heading "Surgeon says no need to worry"

Those who have the paper it's on page 105. But someone cleaver out there might be able to add the link to this thread......

P.S Matthew Liptak P!ss off. Gibbs would have definatly done his research.
 
Melbourne Herald Sun said:
Surgeon says no need to worry.
John Ralph, Herald Sun
29/02/2008


GROUND-breaking French surgeon J. P. Labouro is confident Nick Malceski will make a full recovery from his pioneering knee surgery. Malceski could be back as early as Round 8 after Dr Labouro used synthetic ligaments, made from industrial-strength polyester fibres, to repair his knee.
But while leading orthopedic surgeon Matthew Liptak this week claimed all synthetic ligaments were banned in France, Dr Labouro said only some were banned and the technique he used had regular success.
Dr Labouro said his procedure was more advanced than the 1980s technique.
He said Malceski's new synthetic ligament would bind with existing tissue to create a stronger anterior cruciate ligament.
"The fibre grows very nicely around the existing tissues. You can expect a reasonable recent reconstruction of the torn ligaments," he told 3AW radio.
He said the operation was not simply a short-term solution.
"I've had 17 years' experience with this ligament and many thousand people have used it since the beginning . . . from France, but also from Italy, Canada and different places," Dr Labouro said.
"There are official, scientifically done studies which show good results even after nine or 10 years."
AFL clubs are hoping Malceski recovers well and believe it could be a test case for knee reconstruction.
Malceski is one of seven players to have torn their ACL during the pre-season, but he is the only player to have had the new-age surgery.
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Seems other clubs are wary of it too.
 
DeadlyAkkuret said:
Sounds risky! I'd only suggest going ahead with it if we look like we're challenging for the flag, otherwise it'd be a pointless exercise that could mean Malceski misses even more time. By rounds 8-11, we should have a fair idea whether or not we have a chance at making the Grand Final.
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Why is it risky ?

What in the procedure used suggests 'risk' ?

Are you an orthopedic surgeon?

I am interested in your opinion?
 
Dudley said:
Why is it risky ?

What in the procedure used suggests 'risk' ?

Are you an orthopedic surgeon?

I am interested in your opinion?
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No, I am not a surgeon, but I am concerned about the long-term future of one of our best players, and this op seems like a quick-fix. If there were no risks, then I'm confused as to why other clubs haven't tried this more often.
 
Dudley said:
Why is it risky ?

What in the procedure used suggests 'risk' ?

Are you an orthopedic surgeon?

I am interested in your opinion?
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If i may butt in, it does not seem to be a "progression" in medical technology, but a radical and controversial procedure that has been around for 25 years and shown to be a failure. It's so controversial that it has been actually banned in some European countries (where clubs invest 10 times more in sportspeople than the AFL does - and you think may be therefore 10 times more desparate to get their stars fit again as quickly as possible). It is believed to cause further major "raft of side-effects" and I am a little concerned that the doctor SOLD it to the Swans even though it's banned in his own country (ie by his own colleagues).

Nick Malceski is too valuable to be risked, particuarly where the popular consensus is that he will be at his peak at the same time as when the Swans may peak again - and that WON'T be this season. It continues the Swans alarming trend of refusing to plan for the future and wring every last bit of performance from ageing and unfit bodies this season.
 
DeadlyAkkuret said:
No, I am not a surgeon, but I am concerned about the long-term future of one of our best players, and this op seems like a quick-fix. If there were no risks, then I'm confused as to why other clubs haven't tried this more often.
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Those of us who have no medical background, and especially no knowledge of orthopedic surgery, (which I'd imagine is 99.9% of us on here) really have no idea what the risks of this surgery are compared to the conventional approach. Clearly it is not 100% risk free. But then Luke Darcy, Rhett Biglands, Mark Coughlan, Richard Hadley and others will tell you than a conventional reconstruction is not guaranteed to work either.

I've read nothing to suggest the club has taken this path believing it is a quick fix - ie get him back this season but with a real expectation he'll need to have it done again at the end of the year. What they have said is that they believe there is every chance it will be as successful a long term solution as a conventional reconstruction.


carsoutback said:
If i may butt in, it does not seem to be a "progression" in medical technology, but a radical and controversial procedure that has been around for 25 years and shown to be a failure. It's so controversial that it has been actually banned in some European countries (where clubs invest 10 times more in sportspeople than the AFL does - and you think may be therefore 10 times more desparate to get their stars fit again as quickly as possible). It is believed to cause further major "raft of side-effects" and I am a little concerned that the doctor SOLD it to the Swans even though it's banned in his own country (ie by his own colleagues).

Nick Malceski is too valuable to be risked, particuarly where the popular consensus is that he will be at his peak at the same time as when the Swans may peak again - and that WON'T be this season. It continues the Swans alarming trend of refusing to plan for the future and wring every last bit of performance from ageing and unfit bodies this season.
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Some of those observations were addressed in an article quoting the surgeon, in particular the one about it being banned in France. He said some grafts are banned in France but not all.

It is entirely reasonable to believe that significant progress has been made in this procedure over 25 years, purely on the basis that significant progress has been made in most areas of medical research and procedure. How much progress, what the remaining risks relative to conventional surgery are, and what the relative long-term success rates are would only be known to those who have studied the data. I don't see any reason to suppose that the club medicos, and those who advised them, wouldn't have done this.

Either the surgery will work or it won't. Even if it doesn't, it still won't be possible to conclude the club made the wrong decision. But we won't have any idea for 3 months, then six months, then ten or so years.
 

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