News Malthouse Vs McGuire

[dook]

If Ed had not repeatedly said "Mick was done. Finished. Tired." and if Ed had not said the game plan was middle class, then Mick would not have to defend himself (as is his right).

Ed lovers or Buckley lovers or Mick lovers are (mostly) taking sides on this because of which personality they like.

The fact is had Ed not opened his mouth, there wouldn't be this escalating situation. And, here is no good reason for Ed to be saying those things. It's unhelpful and unnecessary.

I love ya Ed and you've been great for the club. But you're plain wrong on this and you should stfu. You're the one creating this situation. Potting Mick and potting the supporters won't ease the pressure Ed, it only makes it worse. STFU.

 

[Optimax]

By Saying Tarrant and Swan Sucked in the Last QTR of the GF

They did, it's a statement of fact hardly an attack

The above post is spot in IMO, mick has only responded to comments from Ed, want him to stop Ed? Stop making comments about him

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Ed was interviewed over the phone, and that quote was kind of taken out of context.

Caroline Wilson then baited Malthouse into the argument. Malthouse literally got trolled.

Lol at Malthouse using Toovey's turnover as an example given Toovey DOES THAT ALL THE TIME.

As Ed said this morning, move on Mick. This current rot started last year when he was coach and now it's up to Bucks to clean it out. Reminds of when Liberals cop all the shit for having to clean up the shit Labour leaves behind each time they get voted out.

 

[JuddFevGoal]

From an outsider's point of view, I thought Collingwood's 2011 was the most devastating I have seen from any team that I've seen. That was up until the last H&A game against Geelong which I ascribed to you guys saving legs.

I don't think you can underestimate the amount that Mick felt unjustly treated throughout the year and into the finals. The signs were there - take his bizarre outburst on the Footy Show.

It was clear after the GF too that the decision to unveil Buckley's support team to media fanfare 3 days or so before Mick was supposed to coach for a cup really ruffled Mick's feathers.

Who knows, but I felt that Mick's performance in the GF in the box, was not characteristic of the man. He had no fire in the belly - just sat there, resigned to his fate.

Make of it what you will, but I suspect that strange dichotomy - Mick football genius/egomaniac, was mishandled during the year.

Certainly he deserves props for creating an amazing season which may have come undone at the year's end by something other than football.

 

[ipswichpies]

Does anyone remember what he did to J Cloke after 03 MM has a history of never accepting his share of the fault,after his performance on the TFS last year it was obvious that this year there was going to be retribution.

Whether or not Ed,s quote was taken out of context he is only giving him more ammunition and believe me MM wont shy away from using it

We need more than ever to stick together we chose our course with Buck,s and we have to stand by him,in fact he looks like the only one keeping his head in this whole saga as he done right through this whole process.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Ed's speaking about it all right now.

Giving Mick a nice roll job. Mick's been trolled by Caro.

 

[jerry springer]

By Saying Tarrant and Swan Sucked in the Last QTR of the GF

They did,along with half the team. The game was there to be won and we just stopped

MM and Robert walls are right, and the truth hurts alot of collingwood supporters

 

[jerry springer]

and hopefully these comments jolt Swan(and others) out of his 7 month slumber

Thanks Mick

 

[Shellz]

Publicly singling out players post game I'd absolutely disgusting.

Losing respect for mick. Sadly.

 

[glasseye]

I've been telling family and friends after the first game they had changed the game plan despite the lies the club has been touting about keeping it. Glad Mick pointed out the white elephant in the room. I don't buy that Bucks is going to be a great coach and don't expect a whole lot over the next few years. The whole thing reminds me of the Tom Hafey debacle - sacking a good coach at the top of his game comes from narcissistic tendencies. Gavin Brown or Scott burns might have been a better choice.

 

[the distributer]

Nothing wrong with micks game plan, can't say there's anything wrong with buck's plan either, but it will take time, i'm hoping we're thereabouts mid season and finish strong, i'm still tipping we make top 4, it's round 3 FFS.

 

[Maggie5]

MM, stop talking through your ego! Make your comments without prejudice. You have positive comments about McKenna, Nield, Watters, Scott about their abilities and in one instance blame the club regarding their positions on the ladder.

Do you forget 2000, 2004 and 2005 despite having every available resource at your fingers.
Playing Kinnear in the finals and even extending his contract for a further two years when every supporter knew he would never make it. Blaming J Cloke not being good enough, and there is no place for the third coming in? Maxwell?
Apart from the positional change of Davis from fwd to back, cannot remember any great positional changes you made either before or during a game.
Before the agreement, I was one of those that wanted you to move on, you had plenty of chances.
The fact is that other sides had worked out our game plan well and truly before last years grand final and had only to learn how to execute the counter to know we had to change. I cannot remember any great positional change you made during a game that we eventually won and to single out any player for a loss is unacceptable. In fact when did you ever take responsibility.
You were offered a great deal, accepted then declined, stop demoralising the club you profess to love.

Memo to players: IF any of the rumours are true that you are not happy with NB, and you loved playing for MM, well then shame on you. What about playing for the club who pays you, the jumper that has such a proud history and what about us that love and support the club through the highs and lows?

 

[carnthepies19]

This is starting to get messy. Apparently on twitter Micks daughter twitted this; "I don't know how Eddie McGuire sleeps at night. #lies"

I don't think we should've sacked Mick in the manner we did. Bucks had no prior coaching experience before they announced it. To be honest, some players are great players, and great coaches, but some can be great players and not know what to do in the coaches box.

From what I've seen so far, I'm thinking he's in the middle of those two categories. Though these are early days, so it would be best to wait until past the half way mark of the season until we have a clear understanding of his ability.

 

[Old Spice]

I've been telling family and friends after the first game they had changed the game plan despite the lies the club has been touting about keeping it. Glad Mick pointed out the white elephant in the room. I don't buy that Bucks is going to be a great coach and don't expect a whole lot over the next few years. The whole thing reminds me of the Tom Hafey debacle - sacking a good coach at the top of his game comes from narcissistic tendencies. Gavin Brown or Scott burns might have been a better choice.

Everyone knows the game plan didn't work against Geelong, even Mick stated it, and was lucky to get us past Hawthorn - in fact Brisbane late last year too. But by all means let's sit in our comfy chairs, sip our tea and tell our tired old war stories.

People are also forgetting that the performance we put in against Hawthorn in round one almost got us over the line, despite having 3 first-gamers, 3 players with 5 or less games, Clarke who hadn't played for years and Fasolo with 13 games. A third very raw and we almost won it.

Friday night's game was a low from an intensity and injury perspective. If there are players, which I doubt, who are cracking the sads, they can be trucked right out of Collingwood, don't need that poison.

 

[danielnajdek]

He blames Swan and Tarrant but no mention of Reid.

I wonder why

 

[Old Spice]

This is starting to get messy. Apparently on twitter Micks daughter twitted this; "I don't know how Eddie McGuire sleeps at night. #lies"

I don't think we should've sacked Mick in the manner we did. Bucks had no prior coaching experience before they announced it. To be honest, some players are great players, and great coaches, but some can be great players and not know what to do in the coaches box.

From what I've seen so far, I'm thinking he's in the middle of those two categories. Though these are early days, so it would be best to wait until past the half way mark of the season until we have a clear understanding of his ability.

Mick was not sacked, he broke the contract!

In terms of Buckley's coaching experience, besides his AIS gig he was a support coach, albeit given the short shrift by a petulant Mick who never missed an opportunity to pot Buckley.

Ask Leigh Matthews view on Buckley's capacity to coach. You don't have to be the type of coach who likes to have a durrie at the bike sheds with the boys to be a good coach. Matthews was a fairly steely character himself and not given to emotive carry-on. Feel his record has been okay.

 

[the distributer]

This is starting to get messy. Apparently on twitter Micks daughter twitted this; "I don't know how Eddie McGuire sleeps at night. #lies"

I don't think we should've sacked Mick in the manner we did. Bucks had no prior coaching experience before they announced it. To be honest, some players are great players, and great coaches, but some can be great players and not know what to do in the coaches box.

From what I've seen so far, I'm thinking he's in the middle of those two categories. Though these are early days, so it would be best to wait until past the half way mark of the season until we have a clear understanding of his ability.

Edd needs to ignore it, if he fires back so will mick, i'm just waiting to tony shaw to jump on his soap box lol, and he will.

 

[glasseye]

when we got told the game plan was not going to be significantly changed they lied - I for one don't like to be lied to. Carlton beating us is no surprise - they were coming up the ladder last year, its the way they beat us that makes me filthy

 

[daics_35]

This is getting very messy and it's actually very sad. Mick got sacked, him leaving as director of coaching was out of his hands because Bucks didn't want him there. Eddie is just talking a lot of crap saying that Mick came to him and said I am done but at the end of the day he sacked him and there is nothing wrong with Mick being bitter. Everyone was right that this would turn out bad.

 

[Breakthelines]

He blames Swan and Tarrant but no mention of Reid.

I wonder why

Where is this mentioned?

 

[danielnajdek]

Where is this mentioned?

In the HS. Mentioned Tarrant over running a ball and Geelong getting a goal and Swan only getting 1 possession in the last quarter as why we lost the GF.

He doesn't mention Reid getting torn up because that was in his control and he did nothing about it. It's poor form from MM to blame the players. Thought they were meant to be his boys.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

In the HS. Mentioned Tarrant over running a ball and Geelong getting a goal and Swan only getting 1 possession in the last quarter as why we lost the GF.

He doesn't mention Reid getting torn up because that was in his control and he did nothing about it. It's poor form from MM to blame the players. Thought they were meant to be his boys.

They were his boys until they weren't.

 

[danielnajdek]

They were his boys until they weren't.

I think that's p1ss poor form from Mick. So he just slags off players the second he walks out the door. Don't think Taz and Swanny will talk to him anymore. Basically blamed them for losing

 

[jathanas]

If what was printed are Mick's words then I'm sure he'll regret making those statements. It devalues his contribution and legacy at the Collingwood FC.

Cringeworthy s&^t, round 3 and its hit the fan...

 

[Snoop Dog]

Everyone knows the game plan didn't work against Geelong, even Mick stated it, and was lucky to get us past Hawthorn - in fact Brisbane late last year too. But by all means let's sit in our comfy chairs, sip our tea and tell our tired old war stories.

People are also forgetting that the performance we put in against Hawthorn in round one almost got us over the line, despite having 3 first-gamers, 3 players with 5 or less games, Clarke who hadn't played for years and Fasolo with 13 games. A third very raw and we almost won it.

Friday night's game was a low from an intensity and injury perspective. If there are players, which I doubt, who are cracking the sads, they can be trucked right out of Collingwood, don't need that poison.

I agree with this completely.

The effort vs the Hawks was solid given the team structure and the game vs Richmond we did what we needed to. Vs Carlton I think most people would agree that when Ball and Reid were gone it was always going to be hard for us.

Personally I think the rest of the year will be hard. History says you dont lose that calibre of players and expect to finish top 4. It will be a tough year but that will have its upside as it did for the Hawks in 09 and the Cats in 10 when they had to tweak things.

What makes me laugh about Mick is he was very good at getting us to finals but poor at having us finish. '03, 07, 09, 11 were wasted years. We were good enough in all those years but we fell short and he needs to take some responsibility for that if you want to start calling a 'spade a spade'.