News Malthouse Vs McGuire

[HFF]

It's beginning to become sad, twisted and bitter now.

That tweet from Mick's daughter is cringe-worthy and completely disrespectful for everything Ed and the club has done for Mick. Nobody has stood by Mick Malthouse more than Eddie McGuire.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Funny how losing a Grand Final could be put down to those things, when realistically, Mick making one move of having Tarrant go to Hawkins would have been just as good.

I'm 'hating' Dane Swan right now, but even I wouldn't consider blaming him for the GF loss. Players who are tagged just can't have blame put on them. It's a taggers job to shut you out of a game, and any tagger worth his salt will do a good job of it no matter how good you are.

Both Swan and Pendles have beat taggers before, but they can't do it ALL the time, same way the taggers don't beat them ALL the time.

We lost that GF because of Mick and Mick only.

HE chose to play Reid, HE chose to play Jolly, HE chose to leave Reid on Hawkins, HE chose to not take Swan out of the play when he was being tagged out of it.

Mick also chose to make last year about himself. Mick was the one that allowed the players to get into the habit of thinking they can just play 15 minutes ot a quarter of good football to beat a side.

Now Bucks has to come in and clean up the mess and cop the shit for it.

 

[theroach78]

Have a listen to the whole interview from 3AW, before you decide to take the tabloids' words for it...

http://bit.ly/IcFsuC

Really disappointed that we have a President that came out and defended something that didn't need defending...Malthouse was just stating that it's going to take time to change to Bucks' strategy.

Point in case is the Toovey thing, in that for such a long time, he's gone 'outbound', then now kicks 'inbound'. That's all he's saying.

Just a shame McGuire doesn't sit in the background. Come on, mate. You never help these situations by adding fuel to the fire.

Malthouse tried so hard to deflect any of information. Listen to the whole interview, for the sake of your own sanity.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I don't understand why posters are so upset by Mick's comments. He has possibly left out facts that don't suit his argument, such as Reid, but he has given us an insight into the new game plan, and how it differs from the old plan. In the end, his comments can only help the club, because if he does criticise players, Bucks has ammunition to fire up the senior players.

From some comments here, you would think that Bucks has been doing a great job and Malthouse is setting out to undermine him. I would much rather hear an honest appraisal of the reasons why we are doing so badly at present than have people politely ignoring the crisis at Collingwood because they used to work for the club.

 

[lihei]

Not really adding fuel to this fire is the way to go. It only adds value to scum of the earth pencil scribblers like Patrick Smith who delights in any agenda that undermines Collingwood. May that b*stard rot in hell.

 

[dook]

The fact is that other sides had worked out our game plan well and truly before last years grand final and had only to learn how to execute the counter to know we had to change.

That is delusional. They won the Nab cup, the Mclelland trophy, were 1st on the ladder for 15 rounds of the season, were 20-2 for the season, finished with 167.66%, and were 2-1 in the finals and only 7 points down at 3/4 time in the GF. All this with a game plan you say was worked out well and truly before last year's GF...

I cannot remember any great positional change you made during a game that we eventually won

There have been several. FFS Mick has the 3rd most wins as coach (all time) - that would be some feat having never made a winning move...

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I still get annoyed hearing 'our game plan was worked out'.

Please folks, we weren't playing the press last year, hence why we didn't look as good last year outside a few 10-15 minute bursts here and there.

We relied on talent alone, and given we had career best seasons from Cloke, Swan, Thomas, Pendlebury, Reid, Ball and a couple of others, you can see why we got through the way we did.

West Coast played OUR press all year and kicked all manner of ass. Why didn't anyone pick them apart?

Hell they even beat GEELONG with our press. Explain it. Go, I dare you to.

 

[TradeDraft]

Not really adding fuel to this fire is the way to go. It only adds value to scum of the earth pencil scribblers like Patrick Smith who delights in any agenda that undermines Collingwood. May that b*stard rot in hell.

and They will be at it all season just trying to make us fall in a Heap and Get Eddie Sacked

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Argh this is becoming an ugly week.

Ed should never have brought up Mick's gameplan in the first place, just ****ing avoid it.

And Mick has every right to defend himself, but let alone did he name players, he bloody potted Tarrant and Swan!

I just ****ing pray the players are smart enough not to tweet about it, if I was Maxwell, I'd be sending a group text telling everyone to shut the **** up about it.

 

[ThePheonix]

I still get annoyed hearing 'our game plan was worked out'.

Please folks, we weren't playing the press last year, hence why we didn't look as good last year outside a few 10-15 minute bursts here and there.

We relied on talent alone, and given we had career best seasons from Cloke, Swan, Thomas, Pendlebury, Reid, Ball and a couple of others, you can see why we got through the way we did.

West Coast played OUR press all year and kicked all manner of ass. Why didn't anyone pick them apart?

Hell they even beat GEELONG with our press. Explain it. Go, I dare you to.

I believe we played the press in the GF but was ineffective because of Geelongs quick ball movement out of defence. 2 or more Collingwood players would swoop on a player but the ball was already released before they got there, and so on until Geelong had a free player. That is what I saw watching the game and I think it took the skills of the Geelong players to be able to execute that. Other teams didn't have those caliber of players.

 

[Toothless Feral]

We shafted him - he has to earn a living, so he had to get a job in the media, of course he's gonna have to talk about us. I don't blame him one bit for speaking his mind.

 

[Turnstiles]

Yeah, we really shafted him. The poor bugger was the highest paid coach in the AFL for 12 years....

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

We shafted him - he has to earn a living, so he had to get a job in the media, of course he's gonna have to talk about us. I don't blame him one bit for speaking his mind.

Though you be toothless I still agree with you. Malthouse is now on the other side of the football fence and is entitled to be critical of Collingwood. He has not really said anything that is untrue of the current situation.

 

[Toothless Feral]

Yeah, we really shafted him. The poor bugger was the highest paid coach in the AFL for 12 years....

His job was to coach Collingwood... and he did it well. He is not the coach anymore because Eddie wanted Buckley. Malthouse is entitled to earn a living in the media now.

 

[danielnajdek]

We shafted him - he has to earn a living, so he had to get a job in the media, of course he's gonna have to talk about us. I don't blame him one bit for speaking his mind.

We did not shaft him. He had the choice of having two more years and agree to it.

He knew what was gonna happen after those couple of years.

 

[Big Bryza]

Mick not moving Tarrant on to Tomahawk cost us the Gf. Plain and simple.

 

[Toothless Feral]

We did not shaft him. He had the choice of having two more years and agree to it.

He knew what was gonna happen after those couple of years.

Director of coaching ?? I'm sure Rodney Eade has a huge say in how we play...

 

[Tazwegian]

How laughable. Collingwood loses three games all year and we are expected to believe they had a poor game plan. Seriously. Are we expected to believe they would have won every single game last year with a different game plan? Please..

 

[Scottabe_pendles]

How laughable. Collingwood loses three games all year and we are expected to believe they had a poor game plan. Seriously. Are we expected to believe they would have won every single game last year with a different game plan? Please..

It was more that the game plan was being 'exposed' if you notice there are no teams playing the 'full zone' anymore - West coast being the closest - even saints arent doing much of it anymore (and they used to do it very very heavily)

So it appears to me 16 coaches are saying its no longer a winning gameplan - hell even malthouse said that things need to be moving forward to keep in a winning format

 

[ThePheonix]

I just listened to the 3AW Football with MM. I found Mick incites into the game interesting and I don't get where he is putting down the club, at all. To me seems to be an honest critique.

Also he didn't blame Swan, he said Ling played an amazing game in tagging Swan, so by not being his usual amazing self which Collingwood relies on, played a major factor in Collingwoods game. To me that's a compliment on how great Swan is and also how great Ling is. Again just an honest critique don't understand what MM is saying that is wrong.

 

[Tazwegian]

Malthouse's coaching record stands up to anyone's. He has a better win loss than Sheedy, Blight, and Matthews. Pretty incredible seeing as how he took over some pretty struggling sides. Who would listen to Eddy ahead of Malthouse?

 

[PieNSauce]

Malthouse's coaching record stands up to anyone's. He has a better win loss than Sheedy, Blight, and Matthews. Pretty incredible seeing as how he took over some pretty struggling sides. Who would listen to Eddy ahead of Malthouse?

Anyone with a half a brain. Mick's agenda is clear. He is bitter and he takes every opportunity to pot Collingwood. Eddies comments are ill-considered but Mick justifying himself by blaming the players and the umpires is just plain sad.

 

[ThePheonix]

Anyone with a half a brain. Mick's agenda is clear. He is bitter and he takes every opportunity to pot Collingwood. Eddies comments are ill-considered but Mick justifying himself by blaming the players and the umpires is just plain sad.

I take exception to that, I don't see any clear agenda. If he is bitter then its up to him. His comments where not full attacks on the club just some critiques. Critiques are essential for growth.

 

[PieNSauce]

I take acception to that, I don't see any clear agenda. If he is bitter then its up to him. His comments where not full attacks on the club just some critiques. Critiques are essential for growth.

It was Mick who agreed to the succession plan which included him taking up a role as mentor and director of coaching. It was mick who then decided to renegge on this agreement and in doing so he has sabotaged Bucks. It is Mick who has not missed an opportunity to pot the club over supposedly being railroaded into the deal and it is Mick who has taken a swipe at the players, the umpires and Eddie whilst seemingly exhonorating himself of any blame in regard to 2011. Constructive criticism would be welcomed but anyone who can't see Mick's bitterness is just not looking.

 

[theroach78]

The same could be said for your rationale, PieNSauce.