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With the trades complete, and our draft selections pretty well fixed, it is interesting to consider how the team will marshal its assets next year.
The forward line is crowded with medium players who are fast and can mark. Elliott will make another such, who will threaten Thomas' position. Mihocek and Cox, as the tall incumbents don't look under threat, so Reid will probably be in the VFL. Not much controversial here.

The midfield is crowded too, with Beams coming in to put pressure on Seir's spot. I would hate to see him back in the VFL, but barring injuries to some of the others, fitting him in will be tough. Places for Aish, Greenwood and Mayne, despite their reasonable to good performances this year, will be hard to find. Mayne looks to have the strongest grip on his place.

The backline remains in flux. You would expect Roughead to come in, given he was recruited for this line, as well as Moore. With Langdon and Howe, it is actually starting to look a little top heavy, especially when Dunn and Scharenberg complete rehab. The smaller defenders in Crisp and Maynard seem fixed, with Appleby putting serious pressure on both, but starting behind them.
If there are few injuries during the preseason, the senior side looks pretty good.

In the VFL, preparing our backup players will be challenging. Assuming Kelly comes, we will be trying to fit in the two tall Irishmen, Reid, McLarty, Lynch, Goldsack, Kelly and perhaps Roughead. This is a lot of tall players, most of whom are young and in need of development games. If they are all fit (a bit unlikely), then we will once again be playing unbalanced VFL sides that will struggle to make finals, as we had to when we had Witts, Cox and Ceglar developing.
Injuries will keep things fluid, but it actually seems to me that we have gambled pretty heavily on outside the box tall players for our future, have perhaps too many such and no draft flexibility for next year to get a high end pick to cover us if the gamble is a failure.
 
With the trades complete, and our draft selections pretty well fixed, it is interesting to consider how the team will marshal its assets next year.
The forward line is crowded with medium players who are fast and can mark. Elliott will make another such, who will threaten Thomas' position. Mihocek and Cox, as the tall incumbents don't look under threat, so Reid will probably be in the VFL. Not much controversial here.

The midfield is crowded too, with Beams coming in to put pressure on Seir's spot. I would hate to see him back in the VFL, but barring injuries to some of the others, fitting him in will be tough. Places for Aish, Greenwood and Mayne, despite their reasonable to good performances this year, will be hard to find. Mayne looks to have the strongest grip on his place.

The backline remains in flux. You would expect Roughead to come in, given he was recruited for this line, as well as Moore. With Langdon and Howe, it is actually starting to look a little top heavy, especially when Dunn and Scharenberg complete rehab. The smaller defenders in Crisp and Maynard seem fixed, with Appleby putting serious pressure on both, but starting behind them.
If there are few injuries during the preseason, the senior side looks pretty good.

In the VFL, preparing our backup players will be challenging. Assuming Kelly comes, we will be trying to fit in the two tall Irishmen, Reid, McLarty, Lynch, Goldsack, Kelly and perhaps Roughead. This is a lot of tall players, most of whom are young and in need of development games. If they are all fit (a bit unlikely), then we will once again be playing unbalanced VFL sides that will struggle to make finals, as we had to when we had Witts, Cox and Ceglar developing.
Injuries will keep things fluid, but it actually seems to me that we have gambled pretty heavily on outside the box tall players for our future, have perhaps too many such and no draft flexibility for next year to get a high end pick to cover us if the gamble is a failure.
If he wants to stay in the team, it’s Sier’s position to keep. Somebody has to come and take that (man)imal position off him.
He’s done 2 years of hard work in the VFL before his AFL debut this year. He ain’t just going to hand it over.
 

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With the trades complete, and our draft selections pretty well fixed, it is interesting to consider how the team will marshal its assets next year.
The forward line is crowded with medium players who are fast and can mark. Elliott will make another such, who will threaten Thomas' position. Mihocek and Cox, as the tall incumbents don't look under threat, so Reid will probably be in the VFL. Not much controversial here.

The midfield is crowded too, with Beams coming in to put pressure on Seir's spot. I would hate to see him back in the VFL, but barring injuries to some of the others, fitting him in will be tough. Places for Aish, Greenwood and Mayne, despite their reasonable to good performances this year, will be hard to find. Mayne looks to have the strongest grip on his place.

The backline remains in flux. You would expect Roughead to come in, given he was recruited for this line, as well as Moore. With Langdon and Howe, it is actually starting to look a little top heavy, especially when Dunn and Scharenberg complete rehab. The smaller defenders in Crisp and Maynard seem fixed, with Appleby putting serious pressure on both, but starting behind them.
If there are few injuries during the preseason, the senior side looks pretty good.

In the VFL, preparing our backup players will be challenging. Assuming Kelly comes, we will be trying to fit in the two tall Irishmen, Reid, McLarty, Lynch, Goldsack, Kelly and perhaps Roughead. This is a lot of tall players, most of whom are young and in need of development games. If they are all fit (a bit unlikely), then we will once again be playing unbalanced VFL sides that will struggle to make finals, as we had to when we had Witts, Cox and Ceglar developing.
Injuries will keep things fluid, but it actually seems to me that we have gambled pretty heavily on outside the box tall players for our future, have perhaps too many such and no draft flexibility for next year to get a high end pick to cover us if the gamble is a failure.

Nice post - I don't mind some positions being crowded as it shows depth.
as you pointed out we can't presume the team will be injury-free. Given our recent history I'm counting on it!
A couple of things which are wildcards
1) some players will lose form. Eg Stevo may get the 2nd year blues
2) we'll be more carefully analysed by the other teams. they know our game plan. Mihocek and Cox won't be surprises anymore. tactics will be used to slow us down. We don't know how these will play out.

the point is that we'll need this depth during the season. Can't assume that the same guys and tactics that took us to the GF will do it again. That's why i like the Beams trade so much - adds more depth to the mids which is where it's all won or lost (as the finals demonstrated)
 
2019 list is looking stronger than this years already, our midfield is so heavily stacked with class.
The backline whilst not your traditional looking back 6, got the job done time and time again this year. Adding Moore and Roughhead to this group makes it a solid back half.
The forward line is so unpredictable it will make opposition sweat.
I see this 2019 side as being a serious threat to once again challenge for the flag.
Injuries are key, if we have a better year than 2018, look out!
 
Injuries will tell a tale.
Do we manage those; have less of them... recover better....

Also the competition for spots is a wonderful problem.
However it won't be Sier who is under pressure, as long as he comes back to pre season fit and healthy and shows what he did last season he will be a lock.

Opposition defences will have mega headaches with our stacked mid area. Great!

Moore is almost a new recruit and if healthy we are on our way.
 
I'm treating Moore and Elliots as new recruits. If those players can get their bodies right it will trump anything that Richmond brought into their best 22 during the trade period. Buckley asked for stability around the core group and it was great to see the club achieve that. We're building a tight group of players with finals experience to match. I expect them to go into 2019 hungry for the cup... Barring any devasting injuries to Grundy, we should replicate our 2011 H&S season, the Tigers 2018 H&S season or Hawthorns 2012 H&A plus Finals season. Hopefully we can finish it off when it counts.
 
A plus that I hadn't considered from the Beams trade is that he reduces our dependence on Grundy's fitness a little. We mightn't be quite so reliant on the "extra midfielder" factor from Grundy. Having Roughead reduces the pressure on him a bit as our sole actual ruckman too, presuming that we really don't want to reduce the disruptive value of Cox as a forward.
From the avid VFL followers, I am looking for some comment on how our new, taller composition will impact there. It seems to me that we will be in a real bind trying to play our new tall players all the time, but needing to keep the VFL team competitive to be reserves for the finals.
The second paragraph shows how optimistic this year's effort has made me about next. It may be all a bit presumptuous.
 
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Don't think it will be Sier's position that is in danger
More likely Aish or JT, but it might not matter if we have a few injuries

As much as it pains me to admit, given that Sier is more damaging by hand than Greenwood is by foot, the Pig maybe playing some early games next year barring injuries...
 
Supposing all can stay fit for 2019, we are set for a year of Bucks picking horse for courses, which will allow him to exercise his coaching ability rather than having to fill positions from what was looking like an empty larder.

Not at all a bad position to be in.

Can't come soon enough for me.
 
Best way to manage a season is to win games.

The more games we win the better we will manage to be.

Win enough to get to top 8,
Win enough to get to top 4,
Win enough to get to top 4,

Stay undefeated in finals you end up Premiers!

That simple.
 

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Beams, and a fit, even 75% fit, Elliot puts Thomas in danger.
Unfortunately I can’t see Elliot ever getting back to even 50% of his former self. Would love, absolutely love, to be wrong about this.
Sier is a different beast to either Beams or Elliot. And a beast is a good thing in any AFL team.
Is Bear, is Good.
 
Supposing all can stay fit for 2019, we are set for a year of Bucks picking horse for courses, which will allow him to exercise his coaching ability rather than having to fill positions from what was looking like an empty larder.

Not at all a bad position to be in.

Can't come soon enough for me.
Bored with off season already.
 
Depth chart

FB: Dunn, Roughead
BP: Maynard, Appleby

CHB: Moore, Goldsack, Reid
HBF: Howe, Crisp, Langdon, Aish

Dart throws: Quaynor, Kelly, Scharenberg.

Aish is probably better suited to a wing. Greenwood can play in defence but better as a tagger and may not be long for the list. Ditto McLarty.
 
If we somehow keep Reid, Elliott, Moore and Wells fit, they are easily best 22 players imo

Add those 4 and Beams and the flag is ours to lose.

However those 4 I mention are rarely all fit together at any time.
 
Injury managment & rehab is the most important thing for the club to focus on now. We have gotten most everything else right now. But soft tissue injuries, particularly hamstring injuries were a massive problem again.

We can’t have players the caliber of Elliott & Moore sitting in the stands most of the year.
I can understand the odd hamstring injury now & again. Every club deals with that.
What we cannot accept is recurring hamstring injuries over & over. We must get this finally sorted.
 
I know a lot will disagree but our midfield depth arguably bats almost 2-3 deeper then most sides. on the assumption that all players are fit and in form " yes highly unlikely " I hope that the club looks at 6 day breaks and rotates the players for week off. Wells in and Pendles out, one week and then the next week pendles in and beams out etc.
 
A fit Elliott come Round 1 will mean Mihocek goes back to defence in my books. Thomas almost kicked 50 goals this year, I don’t imagine his position is in danger.

Especially with the Beams inclusion and his ability to play front of centre, I reckon the forward half is heavily stacked and Mihocek’s defensive nous will be utilised where we wanted in the first place. He was never a spectacular KPF and got a few of his goals from smart roving more than from taking contested marks. This is now Elliott’s spot if 100%.

I’d much rather move Mihocek back than drop Thomas and play Roughead.
 
Elliott is not the player to push Mihocek back. He may cause Hoskin-Elliott to move upfield, replace Thomas or cause a move of Stevenson. Mihocek, whether intentionally or not, has become a very important attacker. He can take a mark forward, or at least not be out marked very often, or he is a surprisingly good crumber for a player his size. Crucially, he chooses very well between these methods. He is rarely up when he should be down and vice versa. His ability to find enough room to get in a shot at goal, and his accuracy when he does this are quite outstanding.
I'm sure that the club did not know that this was what they were getting, but he is a most valuable commodity. He is a tall that can play small on the forward line. They are very rare.
I don't know if he can do the same again next year when opponents can prepare for him, but we would be mad not to at least try building our forward line with him as the nominal centre half forward.

Elliott, a small who can play tall, needs to be on a flank, with only stints as a central forward to disrupt defences. That is the role he has played when fit. Asking him to be a regular marking target is asking for further injury problems as he is battered by the big defenders. I would be very happy to see him slot in as just one of the zippy forwards that are very strong overhead, with the added advantage that his small stature makes him a different problem at ground level to the other taller flankers.
 
Get 12+ games each out of Wells and Elliott then I think we can make the top 4 again, Moore needs also needs a injuru free year as well, like mentioned, Im treating these 3 as new recruits
 

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