Conspiracy Theory Mandates, Lockdowns, Covid-19, SARS-Cov-2 Thread - Get vaccinated.

About Covid vaccines only: your opinion on mandates?

  • Mandatory vaccines for all, unvaxxed to concentration camps

    Votes: 13 12.9%

  • Mandatory vaccines for all jobs, no exceptions

    Votes: 13 12.9%

  • Mandatory vaccines for health, aged care & retail jobs

    Votes: 8 7.9%

  • Mandatory vaccines only for health & aged care jobs

    Votes: 10 9.9%

  • I don't care either way, it's up to each organisation

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • Vaccine mandates are immoral and/or unjustified

    Votes: 52 51.5%
  • Total voters
    101

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Steele13 said:
Maybe I'm a bit naive, but I think everyone here is intelligent enough to make their own independent choices
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Yeah; choices based on information. Or as in the case with this thread, misinformation. Repeated misinformation, memes and outright fabrications.

If the scientific evidence was that vaccines were not effective at preventing serious illness, or had no effect at all on transmissibility, or are more dangerous than the disease they protect against, no-one would take them.

The scientific evidence is that they vaccines ARE effective (95 percent or so) at preventing serious illness or death, they DO have an effect on transmissibility (lowering your chances of catching it for several months after the fact), and the disease IS more dangerous than the vaccines (by several hundred orders of magnitude).

They are the facts and the scientific consensus.

Yet you blokes continue to spruike misinformation that those things are not true, when they demonstrably are true.

If people read your make believe and misinformation posted here (and believed it, as you have obviously done yourself on a different social media site or sites), and then decide not to take a vaccine based on that misinformation, they're making a health decision (based on a lie) that could possibly kill them.

It stops now.
 

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backtozero said:
"South Australian authorities have confirmed 16 new COVID-19 cases linked to a high school reunion, where former Premier Jay Weatherill became infected.

Two more cases have also been detected, both interstate travellers.

Chief Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said all attendees of the event, at the Theatre Bugs venue in Norwood in Adelaide, were vaccinated."

Remember folks, breakthrough infections are very rare.
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Remember the NSW party that kicked everything off?
36 out of 38 in attendance caught it.

Im pegging there were more than 17 at the school reunion...
 
Malifice said:
Yeah; choices based on information. Or as in the case with this thread, misinformation. Repeated misinformation, memes and outright fabrications.

If the scientific evidence was that vaccines were not effective at preventing serious illness, or had no effect at all on transmissibility, or are more dangerous than the disease they protect against, no-one would take them.

The scientific evidence is that they vaccines ARE effective (95 percent or so) at preventing serious illness or death, they DO have an effect on transmissibility (lowering your chances of catching it for several months after the fact), and the disease IS more dangerous than the vaccines (by several hundred orders of magnitude).

They are the facts and the scientific consensus.

Yet you blokes continue to spruike misinformation that those things are not true, when they demonstrably are true.

If people read your make believe and misinformation posted here (and believed it, as you have obviously done yourself on a different social media site or sites), and then decide not to take a vaccine based on that misinformation, they're making a health decision (based on a lie) that could possibly kill them.

It stops now.
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Nah that's simply not true. You're accusing me of being some mindless cretin. I don't do facebook or telegram, and would have arrived at my opinion on vaccines regardless of what I read here.
 
Malifice said:
Yeah; choices based on information. Or as in the case with this thread, misinformation. Repeated misinformation, memes and outright fabrications.

If the scientific evidence was that vaccines were not effective at preventing serious illness, or had no effect at all on transmissibility, or are more dangerous than the disease they protect against, no-one would take them.

The scientific evidence is that they vaccines ARE effective (95 percent or so) at preventing serious illness or death, they DO have an effect on transmissibility (lowering your chances of catching it for several months after the fact), and the disease IS more dangerous than the vaccines (by several hundred orders of magnitude).

They are the facts and the scientific consensus.

Yet you blokes continue to spruike misinformation that those things are not true, when they demonstrably are true.

If people read your make believe and misinformation posted here (and believed it, as you have obviously done yourself on a different social media site or sites), and then decide not to take a vaccine based on that misinformation, they're making a health decision (based on a lie) that could possibly kill them.

It stops now.
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To help stop misinformation the Govt should release the full data that was used to approve the vaccines and enforce lockdowns. When do you think that will happen?
 
Steele13 said:
You're accusing me of being some mindless cretin.
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Your words, not mine.

I don't do facebook or telegram, and would have arrived at my opinion on vaccines regardless of what I read here.
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Where did you get your information from that you based your decision on then?

It's an important decision - it could cost you your life or job.

Where did you get the information from?
 
Malifice said:
Your words, not mine.



Where did you get your information from that you based your decision on then?
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My opinion that a perfectly healthy adult, who is at almost nil risk of harm from covid, which according to the science, is irrefutably true, should be forced into getting a vaccine. Let alone 5 year olds. If you are at risk get it, if you want it, get it. That is all.
 
Steele13 said:
My opinion that a perfectly healthy adult, who is at almost nil risk of harm from covid, which according to the science, is irrefutably true,
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No, that is NOT true.

A perfectly healthy 47 year old Male (I'm using myself as an example here) has a 0.3 percent chance of death, and a 7.8 percent chance of Hospitalization from COVID-19 when I catch it.

That translates to roughly a 1 in 333 chance of death, and 1 in 15 chance of Hospitalization.

See how age and illnesses change the risk of dying from covid-19 | The Economist

If I take the vaccine (95 percent effective against death and serious/ critical COVID), those odds drop to only a 1 in 6666 chance of death and 1 in 300 chance of Hospitalization.

That being true, why would I not take the vaccine?

Where did you get your information from, that convinced you not to take the vaccine despite those numbers?

Cant be the MSM because you don't trust them (and they're all saying 'get the vaccine').

So where did you get it from?
 

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Malifice said:
No, that is NOT true.

A perfectly healthy 47 year old Male (I'm using myself as an example here) has a 0.3 percent chance of death, and a 7.8 percent chance of Hospitalization from COVID-19 when I catch it.

That translates to roughly a 1 in 333 chance of death, and 1 in 15 chance of Hospitalization.

See how age and illnesses change the risk of dying from covid-19 | The Economist

If I take the vaccine (95 percent effective against death and serious/ critical COVID), those odds drop to only a 1 in 6666 chance of death and 1 in 300 chance of Hospitalization.

That being true, why would I not take the vaccine?

Where did you get your information from, that convinced you not to take the vaccine despite those numbers?

Cant be the MSM because you don't trust them (and they're all saying 'get the vaccine').

So where did you get it from?
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Not to mention for every ICU bed being taken up by a covid patient there is one less for fit healthy 20 year old who just had a car accident
 
Malifice said:
No, that is NOT true.

A perfectly healthy 47 year old Male (I'm using myself as an example here) has a 0.3 percent chance of death, and a 7.8 percent chance of Hospitalization from COVID-19 when I catch it.

That translates to roughly a 1 in 333 chance of death, and 1 in 15 chance of Hospitalization.

See how age and illnesses change the risk of dying from covid-19 | The Economist

If I take the vaccine (95 percent effective against death and serious/ critical COVID), those odds drop to only a 1 in 6666 chance of death and 1 in 300 chance of Hospitalization.

That being true, why would I not take the vaccine?

Where did you get your information from, that convinced you not to take the vaccine despite those numbers?

Cant be the MSM because you don't trust them (and they're all saying 'get the vaccine').

So where did you get it from?
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Thanks for the link. It puts me at less than 0.1% chance of death, which is less than i thought. And that's American stats, imagine if I'd used Chinese ones! To put it simply, I'm much more likely to die of other things, which i should also care about but don't. And before you say, it's not just me it's those around me who are at risk, as selfish as it sounds, their health is not responsiblity. If I'm sick, I still stay away from people, that's where my responsibilities end. We all know obesity is a huge factor in covid mortality, how many people over the last couple of years have decided to get fit and healthy (despite Vic government making it quite difficult), to help themselves. That's right, none.

And not that it's relevant, but I've had it, obviously because I would have lost my job if I hadn't. Maybe that's on me for not making more effort to make money from other sources in the past two years. I'm stuck on here late at night
 
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Steele13 said:
how many people over the last couple of years have decided to get fit and healthy (despite Vic government making it quite difficult), to help themselves. That's right, none.
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You asked everyone?
 
Steele13 said:
Thanks for the link. It puts me at less than 0.1% chance of death, which is less than i thought.
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Ok so, you're younger than 35.

Lets assume you're 25 (Lucky you). According to science, at 25, your chance of death from COVID is 1 in 10,000.

Younger adults can get very sick and die from COVID too. Here's what the data tell us (theconversation.com)

If vaccinated, this chance drops from 1 in 10,000 as a 25 year old, to 1 in 200,000.

Why (as a 25 year old) would you accept a 20 times higher chance of death, and possibly lose your job and face other restrictions (limits shopping, no flying or holidays etc), when you could just take a perfectly safe vaccine?

And again - Where have you gotten your information that led to this choice?

I really want to know, because it looks like a pretty self destructive decision.
 
burge13 said:
Id happily sign a waiver saying i wont go to hospital if i catch the death flu if i live 100% free of restrictions and mindless rules. Something tells me even then the cult wouldnt allow that which says one thing. Nothing to do with health or sense and everything to do with them liking control.

They like this feeling of control because they have none in their pitiful sad lives. Covid is their hobby, theyre never giving it up. Look no further than all the "mods" behaviour today...
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Our health system doesn’t work like that. 100% your calling for a ventilator and a hospital bed if the alternative is dying slowly at home.
 

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