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Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions
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Yes, boosters seem less of an imperative to Government than in the UK & USA.
I think the bigger immediate issue is why no mask mandate?
Its been implemented here in Tasmania. I think quite rightly as a protective step for the Unvaccinated, the young, the immuno-compromised & the many who will need a booster.
Certainly 'Omicron' seems less nasty. It appears to more of an upper respiratory disease than Delta, which causes more pneumonia type effects. That doesn't tell us of any longer term effects it may have.
However if it sweeps through quickly, many many people will get quite sick & the already stressed Hospital system. A system already stressed with the normal run of sick & injured people.
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Also, if a virus is (just pulling figures from thin air as an example) 1/5th as deadly but 5 times as contagious, that means that you're still going to have just as many people dead and potentially more people needing hospital.
As well as the evidence that omicron is actually more deadly for kids under 5 or so, compared to delta.
Its too early to know if Omicron is overall better or worse, and it's crazy that we aren't mandating unobtrusive and unrestrictive measures like face masks.
Absolutely. The blase attitude to it is breathtaking.
To be expected from the leaders of NSW & the Federal Government who'd rather just go & pray.
I'm a little more surprised at the Medical advice Scumo is getting. Ok, lets not lockdown, but at least some precaution to the unknown effects of this. ie masks & earlier boosters for those of concern. At least that.
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It is not a coincidence that NSW and the Feds are pushing for masks to be removed while Victoria, Queensland and inevitably WA will keep them on when borders open. It has become an ideological identifier in the US, and looks to have spread here too...
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Scotty is in full election mode, he'll be all about 'small government' now.
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The third dose is to stop spread. 2 doses are keeping hospitalisation low. Higher vax rate in Australia means that covid spreading isn't as damaging as USA and UK.
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'small government' people are literally insane. they want to pay no tax, but expect the roads, hospitals, police etc to be first rate and free at the same time.
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And carry phones in their pockets, with GPS transmission, wireless triangulation, their pr0n search history, dick pics, health data, and contacts, all uploading to the cloud 24/7.
It's secretly 4 months FWIW.
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Just as many deaths in the short term, but a heap less in the long run.
I agree with you on the masks, but it's too contagious to do much more than slow it a bit - lockdowns didn't stop delta, they're not going to stop this more infectious strain. Just going to have to ride it out.
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thats pretty much what we did with delta too. we knew that we could contain the alpha strain, but it was obvious with delta that it was far too contagious and we were just locking down until vaccination rates got up. hopefully now that we are mostly vaccinated we dont need to go any further than density limits and masks, rather than a full lockdown. if anyone is going to sook about those kinds of measures, well then theyre going to sook about anything.
There are any numbers of measures short of complete lockdown. e.g., Australia badly needs a health pass (whatever you call it) to keep the unvaccinated away from everyone else. Also, an agressive policy on boosters.
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Agree with you on boosters. With Omicron having no trouble breaking through, the unvaxed aren't really any more threat at the moment - until large percentages have had boosters. They're currently only threats to themselves and the hospital system.
I just think half measures are always going to have major compliance issues.
My career of treating patients has ended
After more than three decades as a physician, the Q maniacs have succeeded in driving me out of providing care to patients. I, like many of my colleagues, am moving into medically-adjacent work, where we can continue to apply our training and decades off knowledge without ever having to come in contact with sick people.
I've been able to deal with the years of patients who attended Google Medical School, and the hours wasted explaining things such as why cinnamon cannot be used to treat diabetes, or that garlic and beetroot can't treat HIV. And Lord save me from essential oils.
COVID and Q finally proved to be the one of amateur "experts" that was too much for me. The horrific deaths are beyond what you might imagine. They emerge almost unrecognizable to their families. Since June, I have never seen a horrible case of someone who was vaccinated. I have seen people struggling to breathe through lungs that have hardened to near uselessness, begging us in their ignorance to give them the vaccine now. We can tell, almost without fail, which ones will die when they come through the door of the ICU, but we do everything in our power to keep them alive - BIPAP, ECMO, ventilator - knowing we are stretching out the inevitable. We use paralytics with ECMO and ventilators, then ease them off to see if they can function. And as the drugs wane, the look of terror emerges, the tears. We try to calm them, to swallow our desire to scream at them: This is your fault! This didn't have to happen! Often, their spouse or their uncle or neighbor is nearby, dying along with them. And we work hard for those rare cases where we can pull them back from the edge.
I could deal with all of that. What I can no longer handle is the screaming, not from the patients, but from the families. They are not screaming in anguish, or in recognition of how their foolishness has led them to this point. No, they are screaming at me. Because, you see, I am part of the global conspiracy to commit genocide. If only I would give 10,000 mg of Vitamin C - even though the body can only absorb a maximum of 100 mg a day, with the rest creating the world's most expensive urine - they would be saved. Or hydroxychloroquine. Or ivermectin. Those have never been studied, they assure me, and when I tell them they have been, they snap that I don't know what I'm talking about. I want, oh god I want, to tell them that if we are the ones responsible for killing their loved ones, then why the hell have they brought them to the hospital? Why throw them into our clutches? I know the answer: They know it is all lies. But their egos are so huge they cant bring themselves to admit it.
My breaking point came three weeks ago. I dealt with a particularly horrible case. This was a husband and father, 38 years old. A wife, two daughters, one son. All of age to get vaccinated, none vaccinated. If you could have seen his face, and the ravages left by both COVID and the time he spent prone on his stomach. An enormous clot kept reforming in his leg, and we had been forced to amputate his foot in hopes of keeping him alive. When he was awake, the look of terror in his eyes, the crying, the pain. It was nothing new. But the begging, over and over, "Don't let me die." And "Give me the vaccine." All I could tell him is "We won't let you" - although I never said we might not have any choice in the matter. And I told him, repeatedly, it was too late for the vaccine.
He begged me to bring in his family. A nurse called them, because they had never come to the hospital. They refused to wear masks, and so would not be admitted. The nurse told the wife that her husband was likely dying, and was begging to see them. All she cared about was masks. She would only come if she and her daughters didn't have to wear any.
The nurse came to me and told me the wife wanted to speak to me. I got on the phone and she ordered me to cure him with ivermectin and vitamin C & D. I explained to her, those do not work, they have been extensively studied and the amount of ivermectin needed to treat even mild COVID would kill a human being. Once again, I was told I was ignorant. I asked her to come down to the hospital, to bring her children, to at least wait outside. Somehow, she agreed.
The nurses were all busy, and I took over the role they usually perform, comforting the dying. I sat beside the man's bed. Through tears, he rasped out sounds I could vaguely understand as a question. I guessed at what he was asking, and assured him that yes, his family was coming. He was so frightened, and I could tell he knew death was unavoidable. I'm not religious, but I knew he was, and I talked about the comfort of Jesus as I held his hand. About a minute later, he coded. We tried to save him, but there was nothing to be done. He died.
Twenty minutes later, I heard from a nurse that the family was here, that they had made a ruckus down in the lobby demanding to be let upstairs without masks, and had been thrown out of the hospital. I consulted with a few colleagues who agreed to cover me so that i could speak to them in the parking lot. I took the elevator down, and asked security to point out the family that refused to wear masks. Fortunately, they had not left.
I stepped outside, went to the wife, and identified myself. I told her that I was sorry, that we had done everything we could, but her husband had passed a few minutes earlier. I did not manage to get the words of the sentence fully out of my mouth when I felt the fist strike my face and heard the screamed words "You murderer!" I fell backwards, tripped, and plopped onto the pavement, the back off my head striking asphalt. I vaguely heard the words being screamed about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and god knows what else. I heard "you could have saved him if you listened!" I tasted blood from the top of my lip. It took a moment to know it was seeping from my nose, which she had broken. My mask was getting wet, and thus useless. Security grabbed her. They were getting ready to call the police, but I knew if they did, I would become the next national target for the Q maniacs. I told them to just put her in her car. I wasn't going to press charges. I went back to the hospital.
I started looking for a new job the next day. I will never treat a patient again.
Thank God.
After more than three decades as a physician, the Q maniacs have succeeded in driving me out of providing care to patients. I, like many of my colleagues, am moving into medically-adjacent work, where we can continue to apply our training and decades off knowledge without ever having to come in contact with sick people.
I've been able to deal with the years of patients who attended Google Medical School, and the hours wasted explaining things such as why cinnamon cannot be used to treat diabetes, or that garlic and beetroot can't treat HIV. And Lord save me from essential oils.
COVID and Q finally proved to be the one of amateur "experts" that was too much for me. The horrific deaths are beyond what you might imagine. They emerge almost unrecognizable to their families. Since June, I have never seen a horrible case of someone who was vaccinated. I have seen people struggling to breathe through lungs that have hardened to near uselessness, begging us in their ignorance to give them the vaccine now. We can tell, almost without fail, which ones will die when they come through the door of the ICU, but we do everything in our power to keep them alive - BIPAP, ECMO, ventilator - knowing we are stretching out the inevitable. We use paralytics with ECMO and ventilators, then ease them off to see if they can function. And as the drugs wane, the look of terror emerges, the tears. We try to calm them, to swallow our desire to scream at them: This is your fault! This didn't have to happen! Often, their spouse or their uncle or neighbor is nearby, dying along with them. And we work hard for those rare cases where we can pull them back from the edge.
I could deal with all of that. What I can no longer handle is the screaming, not from the patients, but from the families. They are not screaming in anguish, or in recognition of how their foolishness has led them to this point. No, they are screaming at me. Because, you see, I am part of the global conspiracy to commit genocide. If only I would give 10,000 mg of Vitamin C - even though the body can only absorb a maximum of 100 mg a day, with the rest creating the world's most expensive urine - they would be saved. Or hydroxychloroquine. Or ivermectin. Those have never been studied, they assure me, and when I tell them they have been, they snap that I don't know what I'm talking about. I want, oh god I want, to tell them that if we are the ones responsible for killing their loved ones, then why the hell have they brought them to the hospital? Why throw them into our clutches? I know the answer: They know it is all lies. But their egos are so huge they cant bring themselves to admit it.
My breaking point came three weeks ago. I dealt with a particularly horrible case. This was a husband and father, 38 years old. A wife, two daughters, one son. All of age to get vaccinated, none vaccinated. If you could have seen his face, and the ravages left by both COVID and the time he spent prone on his stomach. An enormous clot kept reforming in his leg, and we had been forced to amputate his foot in hopes of keeping him alive. When he was awake, the look of terror in his eyes, the crying, the pain. It was nothing new. But the begging, over and over, "Don't let me die." And "Give me the vaccine." All I could tell him is "We won't let you" - although I never said we might not have any choice in the matter. And I told him, repeatedly, it was too late for the vaccine.
He begged me to bring in his family. A nurse called them, because they had never come to the hospital. They refused to wear masks, and so would not be admitted. The nurse told the wife that her husband was likely dying, and was begging to see them. All she cared about was masks. She would only come if she and her daughters didn't have to wear any.
The nurse came to me and told me the wife wanted to speak to me. I got on the phone and she ordered me to cure him with ivermectin and vitamin C & D. I explained to her, those do not work, they have been extensively studied and the amount of ivermectin needed to treat even mild COVID would kill a human being. Once again, I was told I was ignorant. I asked her to come down to the hospital, to bring her children, to at least wait outside. Somehow, she agreed.
The nurses were all busy, and I took over the role they usually perform, comforting the dying. I sat beside the man's bed. Through tears, he rasped out sounds I could vaguely understand as a question. I guessed at what he was asking, and assured him that yes, his family was coming. He was so frightened, and I could tell he knew death was unavoidable. I'm not religious, but I knew he was, and I talked about the comfort of Jesus as I held his hand. About a minute later, he coded. We tried to save him, but there was nothing to be done. He died.
Twenty minutes later, I heard from a nurse that the family was here, that they had made a ruckus down in the lobby demanding to be let upstairs without masks, and had been thrown out of the hospital. I consulted with a few colleagues who agreed to cover me so that i could speak to them in the parking lot. I took the elevator down, and asked security to point out the family that refused to wear masks. Fortunately, they had not left.
I stepped outside, went to the wife, and identified myself. I told her that I was sorry, that we had done everything we could, but her husband had passed a few minutes earlier. I did not manage to get the words of the sentence fully out of my mouth when I felt the fist strike my face and heard the screamed words "You murderer!" I fell backwards, tripped, and plopped onto the pavement, the back off my head striking asphalt. I vaguely heard the words being screamed about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and god knows what else. I heard "you could have saved him if you listened!" I tasted blood from the top of my lip. It took a moment to know it was seeping from my nose, which she had broken. My mask was getting wet, and thus useless. Security grabbed her. They were getting ready to call the police, but I knew if they did, I would become the next national target for the Q maniacs. I told them to just put her in her car. I wasn't going to press charges. I went back to the hospital.
I started looking for a new job the next day. I will never treat a patient again.
Thank God.
Only anecdotal I know but a friends two children unvaxed due to age got covid
The parents both vaxed didn’t sleeping in the same bed living in the same house
A lot of kids in this outbreak where sick like pretty crook for a couple of days only one went to hospital and they had underlining health issues
The parents both vaxed didn’t sleeping in the same bed living in the same house
A lot of kids in this outbreak where sick like pretty crook for a couple of days only one went to hospital and they had underlining health issues
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I feel sorry for the kids - they have lost their dad to COVID and lost their mum to the rabbit hole. Of course, I feel sorry for the doctor (if true) and doubtless countless other medical staff copping abuse from the people they are trying to help.
But is it bad that I don't feel anything at all for the parents?
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i'm so sorry to hear that. Im sure you dont need me to tell you that you and all your colleagues deserve so much better.
i legit sat here for 5 minutes thinking what else to type, but words just dont even.....
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Fwiw it's a copy and paste from an American doctor. I've heard similar things first-hand though from medical professionals in Melbourne
It’s not me it’s a doctor in America but his story is a common one over there and here
The YouTube videos that propagate this rubbish have official looking characters that have a lot of graphs and statistics to show
This appeals to the the legitimate idea of critical thinking they believe they are being respected with this knowledge but it’s basically like giving a two year old a pretend phone
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oh i didnt realise. Maybe chuck that at the top of your post or something.
anyway, pass the message on haha
Sorry mate will do next timeoh i didnt realise. Maybe chuck that at the top of your post or something.
anyway, pass the message on haha
The unvaccinated are now a massive threat. Until boosters are rolled out to a significant proportion of the population, the vaccinated population isn’t providing them any protection whatsoever. The unvaccinated will be the ones putting the strain on the hospital system.
They either need to be separated from the rest of us, or it must be ensured that no one is denied a hospital bed by someone who chose not to be vaccinated.
If we want to have ‘personal responsibility’ as ScoMo is saying, we also need personal consequences.
Scumo seems to have no care of those who can't benefit from vaccination. I mean the under 5 yo. Let alone others who are immuno-compromised.
The bland assumption kids are ok is just terrible. That was not guaranteed to continue in a rolling pandemic.
People can say Omicron is so new we couldn't be prepared. We've seen mutations, we knew mutations would continue. We've known the borders would open about now.
The medical system is stressed. People are tired. Nurses. Doctors etc. The fact Scumo has cut payments to these people to do vaccinations is just astoundingly stupid.
He & the other happy clapper from NSW are barking mad.
