Marc Murphy vs Dale Thomas - Revisited

[ChipDouglas]

Ah...the truly ignorant. Using stats at face value to try and back up an argument.

I suggest you go and watch some Carlton games to see just how much Murphy has improved over the off season. Will give you a much better indication of his disposal than looking at disposal efficiency numbers which don't account for context. Though I'm sure you believe Thornton is one of the best kicks in the competition - highest DE of any player who's racked up over 100 touches thus far this season.

To make it easier for you, game by game votes for Carlton's best each round have Murphy as our best ahead of Judd after five rounds:


LEADER BOARD AFTER SIX ROUNDS:
1. Marc Murphy (19)
2. Chris Judd (17)
3. Jarrad Waite (10)
4. Matthew Kreuzer (9)
5. Bryce Gibbs (7)
6. Richard Hadley (6)
=7. Paul Bower (5)
=7. Brendan Fevola (5)
=9. Kade Simpson (3)
=9. Eddie Betts (3)
=9. Jordan Russell (3)
12. Simon Wiggins (2)
=13. Ryan Houlihan (1)
=13. Nick Stevens (1)


Can we expect DT averages in your next reply?

What a laugh!!!! I'll continue to use the AFL prospectus produced by champion data, the company that produce the statistics that appear on the a4 pages you'll find in the coaches hands. You should invest in a copy it will no doubt help with your very limmited knowledge. The 'context' you're looking for is Murphy gets plenty of the ball, but almost the same as last year, and still burns it unlike Judd and thats the difference. Seriously provide something of substance because all you've done is own yourself, Ignorant? Well all the evidence suggests you must be.

 

[Black Flag]

.
No, you were inventing shortcomings that don't exist. Pendlebury's disposal by hand or foot is elite by any statistical measure.


More like Murphy isn't the elite player you think he is but Pendlebury's disposal is, just like Murphy's is not.

You need more than stats to measure a player's performance. In fact, stats can be interpreted to justify almost any conclusion you wish to draw.

Couldn't care less what you think of Murphy.

You need to watch some actual football games Chip.

 

[blues4flag]

What a laugh!!!! I'll continue to use the AFL prospectus produced by champion data, the company that produce the statistics that appear on the a4 pages you'll find in the coaches hands. You should invest in a copy it will no doubt help with your very limmited knowledge. The 'context' you're looking for is Murphy gets plenty of the ball, but almost the same as last year, and still burns it unlike Judd and thats the difference. Seriously provide something of substance because all you've done is own yourself, Ignorant? Well all the evidence suggests you must be.

No, no, of course you're right. Why bother actually watching footy when looking up stats will tell me so much more. I'm sure coaches don't bother reviewing games - the Champion Data stats will tell them everything they need to know.

Stats only tell you so much, mate - you've got to watch a game to see just how effective a player is with the ball in his hands. Nor does it show his attack on the footy, his change of pace, his strength through the core - I don't think I've seen him tackled once for holding the ball or even have the ball pinned to him whilst standing up this season. His ability to get a handball out whilst being tackled is the best at Carlton, Judd included.

I could go on for yonks as to why disposal efficiency is a poor stats. It's no coincidence that backmen who chip it around in the backline under relatively low pressure dominate the DE stats at almost 90%, while forwards who seldomly get an easy touch struggle to break 70%.

Not sure where you get the kicking efficiency stats from because last I checked, they're not available to the general public. Mind telling us what Judd's kicking efficiency is?

Overall DE - Murph's is 6% higher than that of Judd's and better than most of the game's elite ball winners, for that matter. Fair effort considering he's got 53 contested possessions - of those footballers with over 50 CPs only three are higher him. Cross the only one with a DE over 85% - well renowned for his accurate disposal, isn't he?

 

[PendlePie]

Pendlebury > Thomas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murphy

 

[wce4premiership]

Murphy still but thomas is closing

 

[NQTIGER]

Thomas by the flemington straight.....he has a premiership medallion, Murphy never will unless he changes clubs.

 

[Crosswell]

Thomas by the flemington straight.....he has a premiership medallion, Murphy never will unless he changes clubs.

But not Richmond .He will only consider going there when he cannot get a regular game at the blues .

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Thomas by the flemington straight.....he has a premiership medallion, Murphy never will unless he changes clubs.

So you saying Blair>>>>>>>> Buckley... u muppet...

However Thomas is closing pretty quickly.

 

[Thommo 42]

went past him early this year and has built a faily large gap.

Premiership medals are not the measure of a player, but he's still well in front now.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

Thomas > Pendlebury >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murphy

 

[Richo83]

Pendles
Thomas
Murphy

 

[Johnson#26]

Am 100% happy with how things have worked out. Hine, brilliant.

 

[Grumpy Bum]

Ah...the truly ignorant. Using stats at face value to try and back up an argument.

I suggest you go and watch some Carlton games to see just how much Murphy has improved over the off season. Will give you a much better indication of his disposal than looking at disposal efficiency numbers which don't account for context. Though I'm sure you believe Thornton is one of the best kicks in the competition - highest DE of any player who's racked up over 100 touches thus far this season.

To make it easier for you, game by game votes for Carlton's best each round have Murphy as our best ahead of Judd after five rounds:


LEADER BOARD AFTER SIX ROUNDS:
1. Marc Murphy (19)
2. Chris Judd (17)
3. Jarrad Waite (10)
4. Matthew Kreuzer (9)
5. Bryce Gibbs (7)
6. Richard Hadley (6)
=7. Paul Bower (5)
=7. Brendan Fevola (5)
=9. Kade Simpson (3)
=9. Eddie Betts (3)
=9. Jordan Russell (3)
12. Simon Wiggins (2)
=13. Ryan Houlihan (1)
=13. Nick Stevens (1)


Can we expect DT averages in your next reply?

After 6 rounds?

When?

2009?

Nick Stevens???

 

[qldbluesman_43]

it's easy (comparitively) to look good in a good team.

Sure Thomas had a better season but you're comparing a guy who was in a team that won pretty much every game and played by far the best in his career against a guy who didn't have a pre-season and by the time he was up and running Carlton were struggling a lot.

But sure have your gloating time, Thomas and Pendlebury both had better seasons this year. Its not going to stay that way.

 

[donnie5]

Pendlebury>>>>>>>Thomas>Murphy based on this season

 

[Danny_CFC]

How things have changed.

 

[Zahki]

Whoosh, what was that? Oh, it was Thomas going past Murphy by so far that Murphy will never catch up.

 

[Suspense]

lolza @ black flag.

regardless of what people think of him as a footballer, thomas' 2010 season and particularly his finals performance spoke for itself.

 

[Persuasion]

Can't wait until next year to see how these 3 perform. Clearly above the rest of the 05 draft.

 

[SpaceCow]

Pendlebury>>>>>>>Thomas>Murphy based on this season

This.

People are forgetting Murphy had an interrupted pre-season and by his own admission could not fully train until round 14.

After that he played some good games though resulting in him skyrocketing into 3rd position in our B+F by the end of voting after he was 7th or 8th with 3-4 rounds to go.

All very good players.

 

[Zeke]

Pendlebury is clearly ahead of Murphy and Thomas at present, but Thomas' rate of development over the last 12-18 months has far exceeded the other two.

 

[Shaker_Maker]

So based on having a very good year in a very, very good side - Thomas is now a better player than Murphy?

Last 3 years Carlton B&F Murphy finished:

3rd 2010
2nd 2009
2nd 2008

All of those behind Judd.

Thomas:

15th 2009
8th 2008

The Pies dont even rate him. One stand out year as a front runner in a very good side doesn't make him a better player.

F*ck the GF win, Buckley never played in one and no player in the current Pies side is his boot lace.

 

[Zahki]

That just tells me that Carlton only have about 5 decent players and a hell of a lot of spuds. Thomas only managing to come 8th is a huge credit to the quality of our list. Murphy wouldn't be top 10 in our B&F.

 

[Big Kahuna Boot]

..pies fans are dancing cos daisy had a better 2010 season..?.. ..the same season that murphy had surgery prior to, and as a gut running mid wasn't able to have a proper pre-season.. ..he was underdone early in the season, and the way he was able to run out the year was very good.. ..daisy had a very good season, especially going by his previous years.. ..basically, it's his first good and consistent season.. ..good to see, but to say that makes him ahead of murphy isn't true in my opinion..

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Thomas got his medalion he aint better then Murphy, don't think he will lose any sleep over it Pendles may be seen as having a better season hell any flag winner has had a better season then Murph for sure but wouldn't rate one over the other as for how good they are.
I would think the pies would be a least a little bolstered by a grand final win that they didn't care so much about berating other players, guess it's not enough

Murphy would for sure be top 10 in Pies B&F your having a lend Zahki.
Your welcome to take a look at his numbers. You'd have him in your side over a fair few in that top 10 if you were objective.