Politics & Government mark webber "nanny state" comments

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Anyone catch Mark Webbers comments the other day branding Australia a nanny state? Link is below, IMO he is spot on. Everything is regulated these days, not just road rules and speed limits but if you smoke you get taxed, if you drink you get taxed. If someone loses their house playing pokies suddenly it’s the casinos fault rather than the person who chose to do so. If someone gets wasted at a pub and starts a fight it’s the pubs fault and we must make laws to prevent this. Last I heard they were trying to shut down 24/7 bottle shops in Melbourne and were blaming them for violence.

Then there was the blatant revenue raising and offensive fines for petty road rules. The other day I got pulled over and fined for doing 7km over the speed limit. I then got a second fine for driving with both my headlights and fog lights on at the same time? Apparently that is now illegal. What kind of message does that send to a motorist when the police are doing that? Mark is right Australia is becoming a nanny state, all I ever hear is speed kills and we need to ban this and that. How about lets educate people rather than just replaying tac adds which anyone with half a brain would know only really apply to those tools doing excessive speed. Not the person driving 10k over because they are busy trying to drive safe rather than look at their speedo every two seconds.

Im with mark on this, but it seems a lot of people are too stupid to understand what hes getting at. What do we all think?

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/aust...ver-nanny-state-road-rules-20100328-r4qj.html
 
thebiff said:

Then there was the blatant revenue raising and offensive fines for petty road rules. The other day I got pulled over and fined for doing 7km over the speed limit.
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I'd like to see you say that again when after you hit, injure or kill someone at 67, 87 or 97km/h.
 
Eva88 said:
I'd like to see you say that again when after you hit, injure or kill someone at 67, 87 or 97km/h.
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Same thing could happen doing 20km under the speed limit and you could kill the person instantly. Id rather pay attention and drive safely rather than be busting my ass to check my speedo every two seconds. But when theres stupid 60km zones right outside preschools which should be 40km zones but for some unknown reason are not, it's ok to do 60k cause the law says.
 

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I made point to you complaining about getting a fine for driving 7km/s over the speed limit. Any fine given is given for a reason and they make you aware of that reason.
I know full well someone/a child can be killed by a car travelling at just 5km/s.
If you have confidence in your driving skills and can actually tell you are doing the correct or lesser speed limit you shouldn't have to be checking your speedo every two seconds. Looking ahead at the scenery passing you at 20 km/hs (school zone limit) is a hell of a lot different to going 50 or 60 km/s.
 
Cant remember who said it but someone (polly?)said the nanny state laws are the reason his fans are still alive.Quite a clever little backhander:thumbsu:
 
Eva88 said:
I made point to you complaining about getting a fine for driving 7km/s over the speed limit. Any fine given is given for a reason and they make you aware of that reason.
I know full well someone/a child can be killed by a car travelling at just 5km/s.
If you have confidence in your driving skills and can actually tell you are doing the correct or lesser speed limit you shouldn't have to be checking your speedo every two seconds. Looking ahead at the scenery passing you at 20 km/hs (school zone limit) is a hell of a lot different to going 50 or 60 km/s.
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They are given for revenue raising plain and simple. Hence why speed cameras are not put on dangerous interesections but rather intersections where the government will make the most money. What is the reason to be fined for having fog lights on? Because they can, not to save lives its complete bs. Being nazis and booking people for 4, 5, 6, 7km an hour over the speed limit coming down a hill is not the way to save lives.

And in regards to the hamiliton burnout thing, im not talking about that. Knowing the police no doubt he probably barely lost traction and was pulled over by some cop on a power trip. But if he was doing a burnout and fishtailing as reported then fair enough you should be booked for that. Im talking about this petty rubbish and not just road rules they are trying to censor the internet now. Australia is becoming a complete joke.
 
You have to remember Hamilton was doing burnouts 50m from where the La Porchetta franhise founder was killed only hours before.

Granted Hamilton probably didn't know that had happened so close to where he was acting like an idiot, but I can't blame the police one bit in this situation.

As for Webber and also Bogut saying we are a nanny state and we should lighten up rules, go tell that to the families of the 300 + people who died on our roads last year.

Arrogant sportspeople talking about something they really don't know much about, as Webber mentioned himself he didn't know half the rules in this state, well to me that says he doesn't know plenty of national road rules either, because our road laws here in Victoria aren't much different to other states.
 
Hawk Dork said:
Cant remember who said it but someone (polly?)said the nanny state laws are the reason his fans are still alive.Quite a clever little backhander:thumbsu:
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doubt that given the road toll has only risen dramatically since the introduction of nazi policing. It's pretty much zero tolerance now and we all know that never works. You can get booked for 3km over the limit now.
 
mattys123 said:
You have to remember Hamilton was doing burnouts 50m from where the La Porchetta franhise founder was killed only hours before.

Granted Hamilton probably didn't know that had happened so close to where he was acting like an idiot, but I can't blame the police one bit in this situation.

As for Webber and also Bogut saying we are a nanny state and we should lighten up rules, go tell that to the families of the 300 + people who died on our roads last year.
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Yeah because those 300 plus people died because they were doing 5km over the limit did they? Half of those were because people were being complete tools, some situations driving 150km per hour while drunk. I think webber was reffering to the ridiculous road rules not saying don't lock up people who are complete idiots and put innocent lives at risk. It was poor timing with the hamilton thing though, I would agree that there is little excuse for doing burnouts on a public road. I wasn't really reffering to that.
 

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Todd_Gack said:
What is your ideal speed you can go over before getting fined?
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Lol yeah I know you have to draw the line somewhere but honestly the police force and the government needs to use some discretion and use their brain. In germany and a lot of places around europe they pull you over and just tell you to slow down and generally people actually respect that rather than getting slapped with a fine and a moutful of abuse by some cop on a power trip.

Im not just talking about road rules either, every day there is some stupid story today it is something about a movie with the c word in it which they want to ban. We have a government trying to bring in internet censorship, casinos are apparently evil and we want to ban them, laws are been made to stop pubs staying open past 'responsible hours'? The country is way over regulated, anyone who has travelled would realise this.
 
I remember no speed limits and drink driving was OK.
Yes it was fun and free.
Do I want it back? No
Not because I don't trust myself to behave responsibley.
I don't trust other people.

In Italy they have bars at truck stops,truckers go in and have a shot of Grappa to warm up un wind and then back to work.
Imagine that in Australia,the problem is not the rules, its Australian culture,it breeds idiots.
 
1/ webber doesn't go fast enough to get fined anyway
2/ he can't get around a track without going off or taking someone else out, in fact he can't even negotiate a pushbike without crashing that either
3/ webber's fast becoming a joke so why would we take his comments seriously "i hope they'd be proud of the effort i showed", reply to reporter after his dismal finish at melbourne gp.
 
Hawk Dork said:
I remember no speed limits and drink driving was OK.
Yes it was fun and free.
Do I want it back? No
Not because I don't trust myself to behave responsibley.
I don't trust other people.

In Italy they have bars at truck stops,truckers go in and have a shot of Grappa to warm up un wind and then back to work.
Imagine that in Australia,the problem is not the rules, its Australian culture,it breeds idiots.
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Please tell me you are not as stupid as your post sounds? When the hell was anyone arguing that there should be no speed limits or drink driving? This thread is about petty rules and regulations which are there to make money not to save lives. Im not talking about people excessively going over the speed limit or drink driving.
 
It's not only getting done for being 7kms over the speed limit, but roads that are 60 when they should be 80 and getting done for 68 is pretty gay.

There is some real gay cops that set up camera's just to raise revenue, but actually when I was cycling one day, stopped and talked to some cops (as they tried to clock me) who were doing the hand held camera on a 70 road near my house. They said they set a 'limit' of 80 before they will think of pulling somebody over as its probally one of the safest roads on the Gold Coast.
 
How about speed cameras on freeway entrances where the actual speed limit is somewhat debatable or at the bottom of hills? But not at dangerous intersections no, they wont make as much money from that so why bother?
 
thebiff said:
Please tell me you are not as stupid as your post sounds? When the hell was anyone arguing that there should be no speed limits or drink driving? This thread is about petty rules and regulations which are there to make money not to save lives. Im not talking about people excessively going over the speed limit or drink driving.
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Aye aye cap'n.

People getting fined for going 3kms over the limit is ridiculous. Even in the US, where people practically venerate, cops, you'll usually get a 10 mile discretionary limit on the highways. People still drive like maniacs, but that's more to do with those who speed excessively, a general inability to use blinkers, and overall lack of distance judgement.
 
thebiff said:
Please tell me you are not as stupid as your post sounds? When the hell was anyone arguing that there should be no speed limits or drink driving? This thread is about petty rules and regulations which are there to make money not to save lives. Im not talking about people excessively going over the speed limit or drink driving.
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Last time I read the article on Weber, it sounded like some whinny,cashed up bogan racing driver,trying to score a political point, with not much idea complaining about the road rules in Australia compared to Europe.
 
All developed nations are nanny states.
 
Hawk Dork said:
Last time I read the article on Weber, it sounded like some whinny,cashed up bogan racing driver,trying to score a political point, with not much idea complaining about the road rules in Australia compared to Europe.
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Think you missed the point, I think what he was trying to get at was there is a lot of regulations in australia and rules compared to the rest of the world. Ridiculous fines for petty road infringements is just one example he was making.
 
Had Mark Weber made the point about Australia being a nanny state in another context, he may have sounded more reasonable.

To make the statement in direct reference to a professional driver doing burn outs on a public road on his day off made him sound like an idiot.
 

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