Maryborough Castlemaine District FL (Part 2)

[Andyt30]

Just wondering if it really is Trentham's desire to seek a transfer to CHFL? As an outsider looking in I would have grave concerns of such a transfer for the long jeopardy of their club.

Without too much disrespect I assume Trentham would be bottom in a div 2 CHFL system. They currently have a few decent kids to build around but if your not winning games walkouts can tend to happen. Assuming their local population isnt enough to sustain a football club the big issue is what will pull players to Trentham from populous locations such as Ballarat and even Melbourne? There are 19 better teams to go to first, many closer to the ballarat hub, all with much larger player budgets.

In the MCDFL they can survive by dangling the carrot of a different league and getting some wins on the board. The lesser sides In MCDFL are generally based on youth and have less money to pay players. With the CHFL division system this is not the case. Even the celler dwelling teams have much more $ let alone getting in a bidding war with Rokewood/C-Linton/Skipton.

This is not just a Trentham bashing exercise either. It would also be a massacare if geographically Dunolly, Creek, Harcourt, Bushy etc had to jump into a sinking ship. Just think it would be a better idea for Trentham to stay put or run the risk of long term annihilation and that Navarre would be a much better fit in the CHFL (even against their wish).

If Navarre had known they would lose their junior club and a Netball club they would have asked to go to CHFL where they wouldn't clubs should be entitled to Change their mind dunno about Natte Bealiba same boat with Junior clubs?

 

[Cousin Ben]

Daylesford had to change from Demons colours/jumpers to Bulldogs to avoid clashing with Hepburn's "Port Melbourne" guernseys when they went over from Ballarat FL. A lot of history and pride had to be instantly swallowed there.

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Had nothing to do with Hepburn. Daylesfords jumper clashed with Bungaree - both Melbourne jumpers.

My apologies - I forgot about that. I guess a major alteration to design or colour emphasis would be necessary for these teams, rather than relying on clash jumpers.

 

[Cousin Ben]

They going that bad CB?
If they are losing all of these players would they be competative in the MCDFNL?

If anything the Burra have been strengthening on and off the field over the last 3 years so I cant see that happening any time in the near future. I imagine every MCDFL club would be dead against the move due to the unfair advantage of their junior structure and facilities. Lets be honest they would be a powerhouse in the MCDFL.

That is my attachment to MFNC. I worry about the town's ability to support a major league team. There were real concerns when they went backwards straight after winning their flags. Players come & go more often because of the amount of other clubs in the same town, who probably have more money and bigger followings than them.

I don't know the internal workings of the club, but eventually they'll have no-one left to run the place if the people aren't supportive. It's hard to see them - along with the other "country" clubs getting back to the top of the BFL. Do they all languish forever at the bottom of that league? Kyneton are rumoured to be looking locally in case things don't improve. Who is to say it will never happen to shrinking, faraway Maryborough? We hope not, but they can't survive on tradition alone.

 

[Snippers]

Report in todays Ballarat Courier with quotes from the Navarre president Wayne Driscoll and also the LPFL chairman Shane Anwyl. MCDFL junior structure doesn't suit Navarre and they would prefer to stay with the other LPFL clubs and move into CHFL division 2. (According to the report)

I posted the following on the CHFL Thread in response to a similar post.

I am sure navarre and Natte would rather travel to the footy as a family which is what they have been used to.

Simpler if the MCDFNL introduced an U14/15? comp and the Castlemaine based clubs of the MCDFNL took their kids from the Castlemaine Junior league and played in the MCDFNL. Then they could all travel to the football as a family, rather than mom taking one kid to one place and dad going elsewhere. The MCDFNL would be a much better league if all of their clubs were under the one banner rather than having a senior and junior division. IMO.

This would obviously leave the problem of some of the Castlemaine junior clubs that are not aligned with MCDFNL Clubs out in the cold, but Perhaps the VCFL could conduct another review to change that problem. Maybe they could play in the Bendigo junior comp.??

 

[maineman]

Simpler if the MCDFNL introduced an U14/15? comp and the Castlemaine based clubs of the MCDFNL took their kids from the Castlemaine Junior league and played in the MCDFNL. Then they could all travel to the football as a family, rather than mom taking one kid to one place and dad going elsewhere. The MCDFNL would be a much better league if all of their clubs were under the one banner rather than having a senior and junior division. IMO.

This would obviously leave the problem of some of the Castlemaine junior clubs that are not aligned with MCDFNL Clubs out in the cold, but Perhaps the VCFL could conduct another review to change that problem. Maybe they could play in the Bendigo junior comp.??

I think you would find the best thing that could happen for all the 'Castlemaine' based BFL and MCDFL clubs would be to disband the Castlemaine junior league and Newstead, Harcourt, Maldon, Creek play in a MCDFL juniors, while Castlemaine would enter age group teams in the Bendigo Juniors (or better still the BFL start a junior comp) drawing from the teams currently playing as West End, Wesley Hill and Winters Flat.

One of the biggest problems facing Castlemaine is a lack of junior allignment with the club as kids inevitably end up being drawn back to where they played their juniors.

 

[bucko]

Bendigo Advertiser article about Trentham to CHFL is posted on MCDFNL website.

Trentham FNC weighs up switching leagues

 

[PINNACLE HEALTH]

Don't we play footy to win

Carisbrook losing to a struggling Harcourt certainly isn't a great result.

Vinnie will get plenty of cheap kicks scabbing off the ball winners, but unfortunately the way he plays is not always best for the team.

As stated in a previous post (which was deleted), lets hope Vinnie plays the season out a Carisbrook, he does have a habit of moving on

Of course you play to win but if a player get B.O.G surely its not his fault the team lost.
All onbalers that get high possessions will get a certain amount of cheap kicks even Chris Judd, Gazza Ablett or Hodge but im sure Vinnie's kicks aren't as cheap as you having cheap shots at him hiding behind an Alias
but thats right you one of those gun players that get numerous hard ball gets and have played 300 games at the same club.
Your obvious not a fan of Vinny, what happened did you tag him one game and contain him to only 35 touches?

 

[Aker Magic]

Bendigo Advertiser article about Trentham to CHFL is posted on MCDFNL website.

Trentham FNC weighs up switching leagues

Any reason why Trentham would not consider the RDFL? Woodend, Macedon, Lancefield, Romsey, Riddell Creek all within half an hours drive and Broadford, Kilmore, Wallan, Melton, Sunbury, Diggers Rest and Rockbank still a lot closer than where they have to travel to at the moment. I believe they could be competitive against at least four/five of these clubs. I have to admit though the couple of years I played at the Saints I enjoyed the six can trip home from many of the locations they have to currently go to.

 

[Steamboat Willy]

Of course you play to win but if a player get B.O.G surely its not his fault the team lost.
All onbalers that get high possessions will get a certain amount of cheap kicks even Chris Judd, Gazza Ablett or Hodge but im sure Vinnie's kicks aren't as cheap as you having cheap shots at him hiding behind an Alias
but thats right you one of those gun players that get numerous hard ball gets and have played 300 games at the same club.
Your obvious not a fan of Vinny, what happened did you tag him one game and contain him to only 35 touches?

No never tagged him, just one of the 1000's of guys that have played with Vinnie over the years.
You seemed to have missed my point. Vinny is a good player, and a guy I got on well with, but I'm purely stating that the way he plays footy isn't always best for the team.
And it's not a matter of Vinny playing 300 games with the one club, but..... and I'll repeat myself AGAIN, "Lets hope he plays out the season with Carisbrook".
Clubs have payed him pleanty of $$ in the past just to see him move elsewhere.

 

[PINNACLE HEALTH]

No never tagged him, just one of the 1000's of guys that have played with Vinnie over the years.
You seemed to have missed my point. Vinny is a good player, and a guy I got on well with, but I'm purely stating that the way he plays footy isn't always best for the team.
And it's not a matter of Vinny playing 300 games with the one club, but..... and I'll repeat myself AGAIN, "Lets hope he plays out the season with Carisbrook".
Clubs have payed him pleanty of $$ in the past just to see him move elsewhere.

Okay so just say he was an outside player that got 20 cheap kicks a game and 15 went inside 50, how wouldn't that be best for the team?

 

[KingRich]

That is my attachment to MFNC. I worry about the town's ability to support a major league team. There were real concerns when they went backwards straight after winning their flags. Players come & go more often because of the amount of other clubs in the same town, who probably have more money and bigger followings than them.

I don't know the internal workings of the club, but eventually they'll have no-one left to run the place if the people aren't supportive. It's hard to see them - along with the other "country" clubs getting back to the top of the BFL. Do they all languish forever at the bottom of that league? Kyneton are rumoured to be looking locally in case things don't improve. Who is to say it will never happen to shrinking, faraway Maryborough? We hope not, but they can't survive on tradition alone.

Losing major industries in the town like Nestle etc has not helped either I dont think.

 

[KingRich]

It's good to see Troy Driscoll so keen to get under 14s off the ground in the MCDFL. If Carisbrook commit to that then that will put more pressure on Maldon, Newstead, Harcourt and Creek to come into alignment as well. The junior structures of those clubs are far better than the other clubs due to the fact that other clubs cant field an under 14 side in a 5 team comp which we have tried in the past. It is no surprise to see these clubs always prominent on the junior ladder considering the pathway they have for their kids which clubs like Talbot dont enjoy.

 

[Sacrificial Lamb]

Any reason why Trentham would not consider the RDFL? Woodend, Macedon, Lancefield, Romsey, Riddell Creek all within half an hours drive and Broadford, Kilmore, Wallan, Melton, Sunbury, Diggers Rest and Rockbank still a lot closer than where they have to travel to at the moment. I believe they could be competitive against at least four/five of these clubs. I have to admit though the couple of years I played at the Saints I enjoyed the six can trip home from many of the locations they have to currently go to.

Ive played in both leagues and believe they would struggle at the moment against all bar possibly 2 sides(centrals and broadford) big difference in standards of footy standard in the 2 leagues .imo think they would be a lot more competitive in the chfl against the likes of newlyn and creswick etc. the coin they would have to generate just to be competitve in the riddell league would end the club.imo

 

[ruddiger39]

i dont see a good outcome to merger talk anyway u look at it, i have been involved in this league for over 10 years now and from day 1 the people in power of this league have wanted it to be purely a maryborough league, all sides south of the loddon were never really wanted, and now the vcf appears to have given the go ahead on this where to from here?

Trentham out of the league, who has decided this and why, is it distance related or performance? who is next, Campbells creek or harcourt maybe?
with the new league merger it certainly favours the teams closer to ballarat, with a greater pool of players to pick from what of the other clubs where do they get players from, will be very hard to recruit players from melbourne to travel to the other side of siberia in natte, would have to pay them a fortune maybe airfares...
is this whats really best for ALL clubs in our league, from my understanding most of the members of the MCDFNL did some pretty scrupulis investigations, (the newstead report that was tabled at the meeting regarding this was exceptional) and have found that it would not be happy with the merger, so i ask who's decision is it if all members voted against???

A month ago i alerted you all to this and i stand by everything that i said some may think that i need a "geography lesson" but facts are facts, for trentham to sustain a good winning side for two to three years will be very hard, and if they start in division two they will need to be successful for a minimum of three years, with all the teams in the CHFL closer to ballarat, where do they secure "gun" footballers from?

there seems to be a lot of conflicting stories coming out of the clubs i would be very interested to know what old fossil vinnie has to say about this on both an official and personal level,
and again i agree with previous comments that it will be hard for harcourt, creek, maldon etc as i said i believe the MCDFNL has been trying to ditch these clubs for years and make it purely a MARYBOROUGH FOOTBALL LEAGUE,

 

[Steader]

I think you would find the best thing that could happen for all the 'Castlemaine' based BFL and MCDFL clubs would be to disband the Castlemaine junior league and Newstead, Harcourt, Maldon, Creek play in a MCDFL juniors, while Castlemaine would enter age group teams in the Bendigo Juniors (or better still the BFL start a junior comp) drawing from the teams currently playing as West End, Wesley Hill and Winters Flat.

One of the biggest problems facing Castlemaine is a lack of junior allignment with the club as kids inevitably end up being drawn back to where they played their juniors.

Everyone seems very quick to try and disband a compitition that has been running very successfully for over 50 years and enter a under 14 in the MCDFNL. One of the main reasons that the castlemaine based clubs still enter teams in this comp is because there is no junior structure in Maryborough. The league has been trying to get something going for years in that area but lack of assistance from some of the northern clubs has seen it not get going. And the kids that have participated have been grabbed by Maryborough who have had no involvement in setting up any junior structure.
As for Castlemaine there are 3 junior clubs that dont have a senior club alingment but castlemaine havent done any development work to make these their feeders.
Maineman you seem to think that the MCDFNL clubs are just there to develop juniors and then send them to Castlemaine, and because the kids choose not to go there its the clubs fault. Thing is that the kids and the parents want them to play at their local clubs which are often better run on and off the ground than your club.

Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure, Under 10's & 12's to feed an under 14 comp it wont get up.

 

[Snippers]

Everyone seems very quick to try and disband a compitition that has been running very successfully for over 50 years and enter a under 14 in the MCDFNL. One of the main reasons that the castlemaine based clubs still enter teams in this comp is because there is no junior structure in Maryborough. The league has been trying to get something going for years in that area but lack of assistance from some of the northern clubs has seen it not get going. And the kids that have participated have been grabbed by Maryborough who have had no involvement in setting up any junior structure.
As for Castlemaine there are 3 junior clubs that dont have a senior club alingment but castlemaine havent done any development work to make these their feeders.
Maineman you seem to think that the MCDFNL clubs are just there to develop juniors and then send them to Castlemaine, and because the kids choose not to go there its the clubs fault. Thing is that the kids and the parents want them to play at their local clubs which are often better run on and off the ground than your club.

Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure, Under 10's & 12's to feed an under 14 comp it wont get up.

Personally, I don’t believe an Under 10’s, 12’s is necessary to feed an U14 comp.

Using that argument, you could say they also need an Under 8 comp to feed the Under 10’s, and so on.

Kids start at the level that is available to them. Back in the old days we started at Under 15 level, because no other level was available to us. A mini league game at half time was available to the beginners which seemed to suffice.

I think that it is inevitable that an U14 comp will happen sometime in the future, especially if the VCFL were to conduct a review into Junior football in the area.

Under 17 level is a bit high as an entry level for kids of 11, 12 and possibly some 13 year olds to commence playing in and most probably the VCFL would recognize this and instruct clubs to enter a junior team in the MCDFNL.

 

[Steader]

Personally, I don’t believe an Under 10’s, 12’s is necessary to feed an U14 comp.

Using that argument, you could say they also need an Under 8 comp to feed the Under 10’s, and so on.

Kids start at the level that is available to them. Back in the old days we started at Under 15 level, because no other level was available to us. A mini league game at half time was available to the beginners which seemed to suffice.

I think that it is inevitable that an U14 comp will happen sometime in the future, especially if the VCFL were to conduct a review into Junior football in the area.

Under 17 level is a bit high as an entry level for kids of 11, 12 and possibly some 13 year olds to commence playing in and most probably the VCFL would recognize this and instruct clubs to enter a junior team in the MCDFNL.

The problem with all of this is the part you missed
Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure,
Castlemaine has a sustainable junior structure that has been running for many years. The Maryborough area hasnt got off its backside to support junior footy. There has been a lot of work done by the MCDFNL to get it going but the clubs dont help. Those same clubs are the first ones to winge about the lack of juniors.

The other part of the junior football in Castlemaine id the Junior Netball comp that runs on a Saturday morning as well. If parents have to amke a chioce between their son playing footy or daughter playing netball we may find that we lose more juniors than we gain due to the travel aspect.

There was a push by the VCFL last year to get the Castlemaine juniors to join a comp with Maryborough teams, this was knocked back as Maryborough couldnt say for certain that they would be able to field sides.
So once again the main problem is
Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure

 

[KingRich]

The problem with all of this is the part you missed
Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure,
Castlemaine has a sustainable junior structure that has been running for many years. The Maryborough area hasnt got off its backside to support junior footy. There has been a lot of work done by the MCDFNL to get it going but the clubs dont help. Those same clubs are the first ones to winge about the lack of juniors.

The other part of the junior football in Castlemaine id the Junior Netball comp that runs on a Saturday morning as well. If parents have to amke a chioce between their son playing footy or daughter playing netball we may find that we lose more juniors than we gain due to the travel aspect.

There was a push by the VCFL last year to get the Castlemaine juniors to join a comp with Maryborough teams, this was knocked back as Maryborough couldnt say for certain that they would be able to field sides.
So once again the main problem is
Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure

Tough to pin it on the clubs I think Steader. Avoca, Rovers, Talbot and Dunolly had under 14 sides up and running for 2-3 years with good numbers. The trouble was that with only a 4-5 team comp they often missed out on playing or had to play at different venues to the club. The primary reason it has petered out is because they could never get a proper fixture up and running.

Im not too sure what else a club like Talbot could do at club level to get it off the ground.

To be honest I think under 14s is as low as we need to go at this stage. Kids can start under 14s at 10-11 and before that auskick/mini league would more than suffice.

 

[Snippers]

The problem with all of this is the part you missed
Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure,
Castlemaine has a sustainable junior structure that has been running for many years. The Maryborough area hasnt got off its backside to support junior footy. There has been a lot of work done by the MCDFNL to get it going but the clubs dont help. Those same clubs are the first ones to winge about the lack of juniors.

The other part of the junior football in Castlemaine id the Junior Netball comp that runs on a Saturday morning as well. If parents have to amke a chioce between their son playing footy or daughter playing netball we may find that we lose more juniors than we gain due to the travel aspect.

There was a push by the VCFL last year to get the Castlemaine juniors to join a comp with Maryborough teams, this was knocked back as Maryborough couldnt say for certain that they would be able to field sides.
So once again the main problem is
Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure

A sustainable junior structure is not necessary if all teams are playing under the one banner such as the MCDFNL.

As KR has stated in the previous post.
To be honest I think under 14s is as low as we need to go at this stage. Kids can start under 14s at 10-11 and before that auskick/mini league would more than suffice.

Agree with this entirely.

A Junior comp similar to Castlemaine is more difficult to set up around Maryborough because the Maryborough Junior Football Club has a monopoly on all of the kids in the area, and are playing in the Bendigo Junior FL on Sundays.

But as I said, I don’t believe an Under 10’s, 12’s is necessary to feed an U14 comp.

But if need be, the kids that are currently playing U12 or U13.5 at MJFC may like the alternative of playing in an under 14 team in the MCDFNL. I reckon some of their parents may also like the opportunity to have their Sundays to themselves and not have to travel to Bendigo every second week.

 

[KingRich]

I can understand your viewpoint Steader. But we set up teams at Under 14 level and had no one to play against. Now it has died off this year because of that reason. What do you expect the non-Bendigo clubs to do?

Bottom line is that the Bendigo clubs should fall in line with the league, but I understand why you guys resist it.

 

[bucko]

MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DISTRICT FOOTBALL LEAGUE
RESULTS FOR MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DFL > SENIORS
Round 13 – 10/07/2010

Rovers 6.9 (45) d Avoca 4.6 (30)
Maldon 11.15 (81) d Newstead 6.8 (44)
Carisbrook 12.16 (88) d Trentham 1.3 (9)
Royal Park 8.13 (61) d Dunolly 5.11 (41)
Campbells Creek v Harcourt Play Sunday

RESULTS FOR MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DFL > RESERVES

Avoca 8.8 (56) d Rovers 8.4 (52)
Maldon 11.8 (74) d Newstead 6.3 (39)
Carisbrook 9.6 (60) d Trentham 4.8 (32)
Royal Park 9.14 (68) d Dunolly 2.5 (17)
Campbells Creek V Harcourt Play Sunday

RESULTS FOR MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DFL > U/17

Trentham 6.8 (44) d Carisbrook 4.4 (28)
Rovers 7.7 (49) d Avoca 4.7 (31)
Campbells Creek V Harcourt Play Sunday

 

[Frustrated]

MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DISTRICT FOOTBALL LEAGUE
RESULTS FOR MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DFL > SENIORS
Round 13 – 10/07/2010

Rovers 6.9 (45) d Avoca 4.6 (30)
Maldon 11.15 (81) d Newstead 6.8 (44)
Carisbrook 12.16 (88) d Trentham 1.3 (9)
Royal Park 8.13 (61) d Dunolly 5.11 (41)
Campbells Creek v Harcourt Play Sunday

RESULTS FOR MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DFL > RESERVES

Avoca 8.8 (56) d Rovers 8.4 (52)
Maldon 11.8 (74) d Newstead 6.3 (39)
Carisbrook 9.6 (60) d Trentham 4.8 (32)
Royal Park 9.14 (68) d Dunolly 2.5 (17)
Campbells Creek V Harcourt Play Sunday

RESULTS FOR MARYBOROUGH CASTLEMAINE DFL > U/17

Trentham 6.8 (44) d Carisbrook 4.4 (28)
Rovers 7.7 (49) d Avoca 4.7 (31)
Campbells Creek V Harcourt Play Sunday

Soft effort by newstead who would appreciate that finals wont be played at maldon in the mud

 

[Bucket]

Soft effort by newstead who would appreciate that finals wont be played at maldon in the mud

Softer effort from Dunolly I would've thought

 

[snakeeyes]

Softer effort from Dunolly I would've thought

HAHAAHAHA from i hear last night Bushy did not have a strong team in at all missing about 7 players and 3 of them are there better players, just goes to show you put your head over the ball you win the ball, well done guys its can only be a good thing for you and the league. And Avoca 2 down in a row another good thing for the league

 

[Cousin Ben]

... One of the main reasons that the castlemaine based clubs still enter teams in this comp is because there is no junior structure in Maryborough. The league has been trying to get something going for years in that area but lack of assistance from some of the northern clubs has seen it not get going. And the kids that have participated have been grabbed by Maryborough who have had no involvement in setting up any junior structure.
...
Maineman you seem to think that the MCDFNL clubs are just there to develop juniors and then send them to Castlemaine, and because the kids choose not to go there its the clubs fault. Thing is that the kids and the parents want them to play at their local clubs which are often better run on and off the ground than your club.

Until the maryborough based area sets up an sustainable junior structure, Under 10's & 12's to feed an under 14 comp it wont get up.

Clever work. From almost nothing you have created an opportunity to once again bag those big meanies Castlemaine and Maryborough. How dare they do anything to try and attract the best players from the area to their clubs.

Castlemaine not "local" enough for you? It's this sort of mentality that strangles the very clubs that represent your region in the BFL. It's hard to blame those clubs when nobody aspires to play anything other than MCDFL. Have you ever thought that perhaps if you put your support behind the club you criticise, it might be better run?

Heaven help Castlemaine if the kids from Winters Flat & co. held such an attachment they could never move on.

For your info, Maryborough FC have traditionally had Under 14's & 16's. What "structure" do you want them to set up? There was a local "mini-league" for under 12/13's, which became unsustainable given the soccer popularity and stagnant population. If there is not the amount of players & support for a junior league, how can you expect one to exist? The BJFL offers numerous junior levels, so the kids (& families) just have to put up with going over that way. It's not ideal, but that's the geography of it.

Why don't you set up a junior league in Newstead and have the footballing world revolve around there?