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KingRich said:
Whats the new coach like out at Avoca anyway Shamui?? Has he taken training yet?

I have spoken to a few Avoca blokes who were going to be leaving and are now staying because of him which is positive news.
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Not quite sure Rich, I'm yet to meet him. We've got a meet the coach day and light training run on the 21st. A couple of the boys played under him at Dunolly and from all reports did a pretty good job. From what I hear there is the possiblity of him bringing a couple of key position players with him, but, as you would know nothing is set until they sign on the dotted line.

The loss of Robbo and possibly Hammo will leave big holes to fill. Otherwise we should be able to retain most of the players from last year.
 
Thoroughbred said:
Probably not. Apparently Hamilton and Robinson are off to Carisbrook. I couldn't play against my home team.

Tapner will stay.
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Brad Hunt staying as well after he was rumoured to be disgruntled and leaving. Hammo is one that seems to be leaving every year so I will believe that when I see it. He was coming to Talbot last year from all reports and then backed out late.

Hamilton and Robbo will be big losses. KPP are Avoca's Achilles heal at the moment so hopefully they can recruit a couple with this new coach as the loss of Hamilton and Wills will hurt. Have plenty of good young onballers.
 

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KingRich said:
Brad Hunt staying as well after he was rumoured to be disgruntled and leaving.
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Pfft. What's he got to be disgruntled about? He's come from Dunolly. At least Avoca win a few games. Where would he go?

KingRich said:
Hamilton and Robbo will be big losses. KPP are Avoca's Achilles heal at the moment so hopefully they can recruit a couple with this new coach as the loss of Hamilton and Wills will hurt. Have plenty of good young onballers.
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Robbo will be a big loss. I think Hamilton will stay at Avoca. Similar thing to Tapner.
 
Thoroughbred said:
I couldn't play against my home team.quote]

Its obviously not a massive concern for some as Megs and Luke Robbo both have done it for years. Doesn't surprise that Nick has followed his brother out there if anywhere i guess but I agree I couldn't do it.
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KingRich said:
Thoroughbred said:
I couldn't play against my home team.quote]

Its obviously not a massive concern for some as Megs and Luke Robbo both have done it for years. Doesn't surprise that Nick has followed his brother out there if anywhere i guess but I agree I couldn't do it.
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That's why I reckon guys like Tapner would only move to Natte if they were going somewhere else.
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well well well plenty of action on the forum of late..........can only imagine what it s gonna be like closer to the season when all deals are signed sealed and delivered, there are some very promising out looks for many clubs however so u cant write any one off at this stage and no one knows what deals could be done under the table at this stage
 
Billy_The_Kid said:
What should an assistant coach get paid in this league including travelling??:confused:
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Might need some more info on that to make a fair call on that kid? I guess there are alot of things that need to be taken into account - the calibre of player, leadership skills, travelling distance, club payment policies, etc. Are you asking as an assistant coach or club official?
 
Billy_The_Kid said:
What should an assistant coach get paid in this league including travelling??:confused:
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um hard to say, i would say maybe $150 -200 a game max, it would have to depend on how good the player is, if he was a non playing assistant coach $100, personally i dont think they need to be payed the big bucks in this league
 

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Yeah Shamui has hit the nail on the head. Depends on lots of things: Quality of the player, distance travelled etc.

Sherman, I highly doubt you'd be paying a non playing assistant coach anything unless he was very very very good.
 
KingRich said:
Yeah Shamui has hit the nail on the head. Depends on lots of things: Quality of the player, distance travelled etc.

Sherman, I highly doubt you'd be paying a non playing assistant coach anything unless he was very very very good.
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Off field coaching duties are often underrated but playing coaches miss a $hitload on the ground. It pays off to have someone tactically minded on the bench.

Although, I wouldn't pay a off field coach unless I had money like Carisbrook or Harcourt.
 
Thoroughbred said:
Off field coaching duties are often underrated but playing coaches miss a $hitload on the ground. It pays off to have someone tactically minded on the bench.

Although, I wouldn't pay a off field coach unless I had money like Carisbrook or Harcourt.
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I agree that you definately need one if you coach is playing but normally the Senior Coach will appoint someone reliable without needing cash. He'd want to be bloody good at what he does with the magnets to get $100 a game to sit there IMO.
 
Thoroughbred said:
Off field coaching duties are often underrated but playing coaches miss a $hitload on the ground. It pays off to have someone tactically minded on the bench.

Although, I wouldn't pay a off field coach unless I had money like Carisbrook or Harcourt.
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We have had some success with using a bench-coach (someone that is reasonably familiar with the coach and club) to watch over the game from the sidelines. This gives the coach the opportunity to focus completely on the game at hand. As you said though thoruoghbred they need to be in tune with the way the team plays and the way the coach thinks.
 
Bench coaches are great as long as the senior coach appoints them (which he should) and they have half an idea and are empowered to make decisions. If they cant make decisions there is no point. I agree though they are the way to go if you have a playing coach, which most country clubs do.
 
Shamui said:
We have had some success with using a bench-coach (someone that is reasonably familiar with the coach and club) to watch over the game from the sidelines. This gives the coach the opportunity to focus completely on the game at hand. As you said though thoruoghbred they need to be in tune with the way the team plays and the way the coach thinks.
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Sometimes being too familiar with the club is a bad thing. People worry about making the hard decisions off the field.
 
Thoroughbred said:
Off field coaching duties are often underrated but playing coaches miss a $hitload on the ground. It pays off to have someone tactically minded on the bench.

Although, I wouldn't pay a off field coach unless I had money like Carisbrook or Harcourt.
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you may be right maybe they are not payed, but i was just throwing it out there to get an understanding, of what is expected of an assistant coach around the traps, but king rich it would be ignorant not to think that some non playing assistant coaches dont get any incentives at all, as some have to travel and give up there time for such a role, i would be surprised if some were willing to do it for nothing.....king rich i think you are judging your opinion on talbot as they have have locals that do it that play in the two's before hand, and as thoroughbred said clubs with enough money can afford to splash it around if they think it will help them succeed
 
Sherman41 said:
you may be right maybe they are not payed, but i was just throwing it out there to get an understanding, of what is expected of an assistant coach around the traps, but king rich it would be ignorant not to think that some non playing assistant coaches dont get any incentives at all, as some have to travel and give up there time for such a role, i would be surprised if some were willing to do it for nothing.....king rich i think you are judging your opinion on talbot as they have have locals that do it that play in the two's before hand, and as thoroughbred said clubs with enough money can afford to splash it around if they think it will help them succeed
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The playing coach is only in existance due to monetry constraints. It means you can pay your star player and they do a lot of extra work. I think on ball playing coaches don't have a clue what is going on out there. They are too busy being in the thick of the action. The only positions where I think a playing coach is positive are somewhere on the FF or FB line.

Having said this, the off field coach is crucial to a teams success. Most clubs dismiss this automatically as a role you can throw to some 2's player that doesn't get on the cans after the game. A good off field coach and runner can make a huge difference in a team. Especially at the pointy end of the ladder.
 
Sherman41 said:
you may be right maybe they are not payed, but i was just throwing it out there to get an understanding, of what is expected of an assistant coach around the traps, but king rich it would be ignorant not to think that some non playing assistant coaches dont get any incentives at all, as some have to travel and give up there time for such a role, i would be surprised if some were willing to do it for nothing.....king rich i think you are judging your opinion on talbot as they have have locals that do it that play in the two's before hand, and as thoroughbred said clubs with enough money can afford to splash it around if they think it will help them succeed
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I'm not just judging Talbot, have been around a few footy clubs in my time (non playing) and my point is simple, there would be very very few "assistant non playing" senior coaches that get paid in leagues in this area. It is a waste of resources IMO and you should be able to get someone who is capable to commit for nothing. Its not a big commitment after all. Most assistants would be someone that the Senior coach knows and would do it for next to nothing. Most assistants volunteer as they want to be involved.
 
KingRich said:
I'm not just judging Talbot, have been around a few footy clubs in my time (non playing) and my point is simple, there would be very very few "assistant non playing" senior coaches that get paid in leagues in this area. It is a waste of resources IMO and you should be able to get someone who is capable to commit for nothing. Its not a big commitment after all. Most assistants would be someone that the Senior coach knows and would do it for next to nothing. Most assistants volunteer as they want to be involved.
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You're right. Most would do it for nothing. I couldn't see anyone in the MCDFL paying a non playing assistant coach.

If you've got cash, spend it on players.
 
Changing topic a bit. Word is Trentham have recruited a number of players... What would it take to get them competitive. From memory they had 2-3 decent onballers, no forwards and one decent backman. I would say only 5-6 of them would get a game at a top 5 club. Do you think they will be any chance to move above any of the stronger teams or will they just be challenging with Creek and Dunolly for spoon rights?? Last year unfortunately they were the worst senior team I have ever seen!
 
KingRich said:
I'm not just judging Talbot, have been around a few footy clubs in my time (non playing) and my point is simple, there would be very very few "assistant non playing" senior coaches that get paid in leagues in this area. It is a waste of resources IMO and you should be able to get someone who is capable to commit for nothing. Its not a big commitment after all. Most assistants would be someone that the Senior coach knows and would do it for next to nothing. Most assistants volunteer as they want to be involved.
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yes king rich i agree with this as i stated it earlier in this league i dont feel they are that important that they need to payed, but if clubs in this league have the money to throw it around then i would imagine some would offer some incentives. yes generally assistant coaches are ppl who have a fair bit to do with the club, and do not expect money but it is when clubs start getting outsiders it has to be questioned.
all in all though they are fairly important to team success but not that important that clubs need to spend exuberant amounts of money on.
 
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