Maynard cleared by tribunal for Brayshaw collision

[Corn Cobbers]

THE AFL has opted against appealing the Tribunal's decision in the Brayden Maynard case, meaning the Collingwood defender is in the clear to play in the Magpies' preliminary final.

AFL ponders rule change after Maynard Tribunal call

The Brayden Maynard saga is officially over after the AFL opted not to appeal the Tribunal's decision

www.afl.com.au

The AFL, having brought the charge against Maynard, said on Wednesday that it would not challenge the Tribunal's ruling, but would comment further later in the day.

"The AFL has confirmed that after careful consideration and review of the Tribunal's decision and reasons following last night's hearing into the incident involving Collingwood's Brayden Maynard and Melbourne's Angus Brayshaw, the AFL has decided not to appeal the Tribunal's decision," a statement read.

"Per the Tribunal Guidelines the AFL had to make this decision by 12:00pm AEST today.

"The AFL will release a further statement later today."

Finally some sanity

 

[FIGJAM]

"The Match Review Officer and executive general manager of football Laura Kane graded the incident as careless conduct, severe impact and high contact, drawing a minimum three-match ban"

Why is Laura Kane's name even included?

 

[Roby]

A ball particularly right of the boot is traveling at a fair speed, plenty of players have been concussed with a kick off the boot hitting their head - rare but happens I don't think its out of the question that a ball traveling at high speed getting the top of your fingers could cause at the very least ligament damage

Monmentum is p=mv, while kinetic energy is KE=1/2mv²

Then you can calculate change in momentum (Δp) divided by the time (Δt) over which that change occurred
Force is F= Δt/Δp

Go work out the differences in force of the two objects, and tell me which one is greater.

 

[Roby]

The problem is that you could argue that absolutely any contact is avoidable.

It may get to this one day, as there currently doesn't seem to be a line where this is supposed to end.

 

[Roby]

Any player can easily do what bruz did and cannon themselves shoulder first into another player, but they don’t. Wonder why.

False equivalence

 

[Roby]

"The Match Review Officer and executive general manager of football Laura Kane graded the incident as careless conduct, severe impact and high contact, drawing a minimum three-match ban"

Yes, but initially Christian had said no, and least that's what I heard on radio.

 

[HairyO]

False equivalence

Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its a false equivalence.

Much like when you respond to a detailed post with "no" doesnt mean you have refuted anything.

Over to you....

 

[Maze]

Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its a false equivalence.

Much like when you respond to a detailed post with "no" doesnt mean you have refuted anything.

Over to you....

He's actually correct. Maynard didn't just cannon into him. He attempted to smother...there's your false equivalent

 

[Roby]

Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its a false equivalence.

Much like when you respond to a detailed post with "no" doesnt mean you have refuted anything.

Over to you....

Tell me why it's not a false equivalence that "no other player has never done what Maynard" when adjudicating this one incident.

 

[DonsRule]

Monmentum is p=mv, while kinetic energy is KE=1/2mv²

Then you can calculate change in momentum (Δp) divided by the time (Δt) over which that change occurred
Force is F= Δt/Δp

Go work out the differences in force of the two objects, and tell me which one is greater.

I'm not questioning that. Just that the very action of a smother of a boot can easily cause damage to a hand or fingers at the rate the ball is moving, we've see enough evidence of players being KO'ed by falcon/being it in the head by a ball off the boot. Therefore why smother if you may injure your hand/fomger. its poor logic in this case..


I've not no issue if Maynard gets off here, just its not a good example

 

[Roby]

I'm not questioning that. Just that the very action of a smother of a boot can easily cause damage to a hand or fingers at the rate the ball is moving, we've see enough evidence of players being KO'ed by falcon/being it in the head by a ball off the boot. Therefore why smother if you may injure your hand/fomger. its poor logic in this case..


I've not no issue if Maynard gets off here, just its not a good example

We're discussing whether Maynard should've extended his arm or turned to brace himself, after he jumped and attempted to smother.

 

[VicBased]

If there was no time for anything else, then how does Maynard have any time to make a decision?



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This is Maynard jumping half a second before collision. The ball has left Brayshaw's foot, and has one foot on the ground, as opposed to Maynard who doesn't. Brayshaw has as much time as Maynard here, and in fact had more time, as he had the ball first. Brayshaw decided to take the contact, and inadvertently ended up getting his free kick down the ground.

I am talking from Brayshaw's point of view not Maynard's. SHEESH. .no wonder you can't put 2 and 2 together.
Maynard had already decided what he was going to do.

 

[Roby]

I am talking from Brayshaw's point of view not Maynard's. SHEESH. .no wonder you can't put 2 and 2 together.
Maynard had already decided what he was going to do.

You're only looking at it from one side, that's your problem. You've lost all objectivity.

 

[DonsRule]

We're discussing whether Maynard should've extended his arm or turned to brace himself, after he jumped and attempted to smother.

Its still a pretty poor point.

If your smothering technique in those situations involves driving your shoulder into an opponents head you're in trouble.

Its faulty logic the same logic can be applied to a lot of bumps when a tackle is an option

 

[Roby]

Its still a pretty poor point.

If your smothering technique in those situations involves driving your shoulder into an opponents head you're in trouble.

Its faulty logic the same logic can be applied to a lot of bumps when a tackle is an option

A poor point? I think it's a poor observation if you can't see that Maynard wasn't driving his shoulder but attempting a smother.

Even slowed down you can see he has very little time to react before Maynard's arms drop, as opposed to "driving" his shoulder.

 

[Didak Wine]

Person A: if you look at it in real time you'll see it was an accidental collision
Person B pointing at slow motion footage: he had to make a different decision.
Me Person A to Person B: you idiot

 

[DonsRule]

A poor point? I think it's a poor observation if you can't see that Maynard wasn't driving his shoulder but attempting a smother.

Even slowed down you can see he has very little time to react before Maynard's arms drop, as opposed to "driving" his shoulder.

I'm not denying it was a smother attempt.

Just if you attempt to smother you automaticly are off the hook for any actions after that then it raises a lot of questions even outside this incident too.

 

[VicBased]

You're only looking at it from one side, that's your problem. You've lost all objectivity.

And you aren't? Your problem is that you have to much time on your hands and methinks you have skin in the game.
Brother in law, good friend, next door neighbour, maybe?

 

[Walshawk]

Maynard had a choice. If it were a Pies intraclub and he jumped to try to smother Nick Daicos, do you think he would have braced and dug the shoulder in? No chance. He would have put his arms out, like anyone does when they are about to accidentally bump into a child.

 

[Roby]

And you aren't? Your problem is that you have to much time on your hands and methinks you have skin in the game.
Brother in law, good friend, next door neighbour, maybe?

No skin. In fact, of all the teams left, the Pies are the last team I want to see win, them and Carlton.

But it's interesting now you have concocted this conspiracy in your mind, due to your hatred for Maynard and Collingwood, that I'm colluding with them. I'm just calling it as I see it, don't really care if it's unpopular on this forum.

 

[gungho]

Maynard moved his body mid-air which resulted in his shoulder collecting Brayshaw, which resulted in Brayshaw being knocked out.
“Part of the game”. “He was just protecting himself” “a football act” “what else was he supposed to do?” and all other lines to be trotted out should not come into it.
Maynard is a fair player but this is a line in the sand moment for the AFL to have some guts and show that they really are serious about concussion.

 

[VicBased]

No skin. In fact, of all the teams left, the Pies are the last team I want to see win, them and Carlton.

But it's interesting now you have concocted this conspiracy in your mind, due to your hatred for Maynard and Collingwood, that I'm colluding with them. I'm just calling it as I see it, don't really care if it's unpopular on this forum.

At a 158 contributions in this thread you have some skin in it, who knows, you could be Maynard himself defending the indefensible.
As a by and by I have no hatred for Collingwood.
The gave us a GF to remember and Flyin Ryan gave us the FAIR BUMP. To remember for the next decade.
Maynard will get weeks and deservedly so.

 

[westie]

Paddy Ryder and whole bunch of others send their regards.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Person A: if you look at it in real time you'll see it was an accidental collision
Person B pointing at slow motion footage: he had to make a different decision.
Me Person A to Person B: you idiot

You can be suspended for an accident if you did not show enough duty of care to an opposition player, especially when making an illegal manoeuvre.

The question is not “did Maynard mean to concuss Brayshaw”. That is where a lot of people are confused.

 

[sr36]

The only people really strongly defending this are pies supporters who if the same thing happened to daicos would want the other player deregistered

Except that isn't actually true is it? It's most of the TV pundits. It was the MRO. It's supporters of multiple clubs in this thread. And bad news for you, it's going to be the tribunal.

 

[WeaponX]

What I saw was after he disposed of the ball he looked up and saw Maynard coming down on him.
He then shat himself knowing he was going to get pulverised , there was no time for anything else.

But not even brace for impact ??? seriously have you ever played sport? he has to have some responsibility to protect himself and not be wide open for inevitable contact.