MCG tenants on Grand Final day

[Grin]

Lol - lets compare the two mcg tenants home and away with west coasts hey

Lets unpack that HUGE advantage we supposedly get

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We play all of the the top 4 interstate 4/4

Richmond plays one of the top 4 interstate and obviously cant play itself 1/3

Collingwood play one of the top 4 interstate and obviously cant play itself 1/3


You guys are effectively whining that you have to play the top teams at home with no advantage - where we play the top teams interstate with a major disadvantage.

Tell me more about our huge leg up in the home and away season


Game set match.

One of the areas where the goal posts shift is MCG tenants and Victorian based teams.
Apparently when Richmond play an away game at Marvel stadium, it is said by many interstates that it is a home state game, so an equivalent to a home game (wa wa Richmond played 17 ages in Victoria, it's all so unfair). Yet when it suits your argument, you only want to include MCG tenants as having a home ground advantage at the G against interstate clubs, not all Victorian teams.

Anyway, the way I worked out home ground advantage was 4 Points for a home game against an interstate club. 2 points for home games against co tenants. 3 points for home games against Victorian Non co tenants. 3 points for the home game played against an interstate club that was not played at the MCG. 1 point for away games played in Victoria but not at the MCG. 0 points for away games interstate.

Using this method, West Coast scores 44 and Richmond 41. For the H&A season only.

 

[Farang83150]

OMG I just realised the Australian open is played in Melbourne every year. Just because Melbourne developed the event, doesn't mean it should be played there. All the other states should be able to parasite off what Melbourne has achieved. Even if they don't have venues anywhere near as good. They should call the International Tennis Federation the Victorian Tennis Association. It's all just so unfair.
And don't get me started on the Melbourne Cup.

Whats the tennis or horse race got to do with a National football competition?

 

[Farang83150]

 

[Grin]

Whats the tennis or horse race got to do with a National football competition?

Iconic Victorian sporting events. Made iconic in Victoria by Victoria.
How about developing your own events instead of trying to parasite ours.

 

[doppleganger]

Well id suggest that if team a has a much larger win ratio than team b at a venue

Which you do - if a gf is played at that venue - of course they have an advantage

Collingwood have a better win ratio at Etihad/Marvel, the GaBbA, Optus and ANZ stadium compared to the G.

So your ‘logic’ is that Collingwood playing Brisbane at the GABBA is advantage to Collingwood.

Geelong and Sydney have the best win ratios at Etihad/Marvel...your logic is they have an advantage playing their over StKilda!

Your ‘logic’ is rubbish.

You guys also say that traveling, sleeping in hotels, having routine disrupted is a disadvantage...but in next breath claim that Hawks have a ‘home’ advantage when they have to travel, sleep in a hotel and have their normal routine disrupted.

#facts

 

[Farang83150]

Iconic Victorian sporting events. Made iconic in Victoria by Victoria.
How about developing your own events instead of trying to parasite ours.

Those are international events, who's trying to "Parasite" them off you?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Thats the difference - this year i believe richmond could beat any team anywhere.

I reckon richmond would have taken us on our home deck in a gf this year.

Because yes richmond were awesome in the finals - but they also beat good teams away from home. 2019 richmond are a better team in that respect.

I like your old posts better than your new posts.

 

[Kwality]

Statistically the grand final is a neutral game.

The stats arent at issue.
For some of us we are talking about the GF, some Tigers fans seem to think its about them: surprise, surprise.

 

[Kwality]

Lol - lets compare the two mcg tenants home and away with west coasts hey

Lets unpack that HUGE advantage we supposedly get

View attachment 770553


We play all of the the top 4 interstate 4/4

Richmond plays one of the top 4 interstate and obviously cant play itself 1/3

Collingwood play one of the top 4 interstate and obviously cant play itself 1/3


You guys are effectively whining that you have to play the top teams at home with no advantage - where we play the top teams interstate with a major disadvantage.

Tell me more about our huge leg up in the home and away season


Game set match.

What about Melbourne, its as relevant to the GF game as any other of the tenants.

 

[Do the Dew]

Lol - lets compare the two mcg tenants home and away with west coasts hey

Lets unpack that HUGE advantage we supposedly get

View attachment 770553


We play all of the the top 4 interstate 4/4

Richmond plays one of the top 4 interstate and obviously cant play itself 1/3

Collingwood play one of the top 4 interstate and obviously cant play itself 1/3


You guys are effectively whining that you have to play the top teams at home with no advantage - where we play the top teams interstate with a major disadvantage.

Tell me more about our huge leg up in the home and away season


Game set match.

Cool. Let’s go back to 2017. We finished 3rd and played Adelaide (1st), Geelong (2nd), GWS (4th), Port (5th) all at their home grounds in H&A. Only double up was against GWS. Were we complaining that we had to play all the top sides away...no we muther****n weren’t


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[doppleganger]

One of the areas where the goal posts shift is MCG tenants and Victorian based teams.
Apparently when Richmond play an away game at Marvel stadium, it is said by many interstates that it is a home state game, so an equivalent to a home game (wa wa Richmond played 17 ages in Victoria, it's all so unfair). Yet when it suits your argument, you only want to include MCG tenants as having a home ground advantage at the G against interstate clubs, not all Victorian teams.

Anyway, the way I worked out home ground advantage was 4 Points for a home game against an interstate club. 2 points for home games against co tenants. 3 points for home games against Victorian Non co tenants. 3 points for the home game played against an interstate club that was not played at the MCG. 1 point for away games played in Victoria but not at the MCG. 0 points for away games interstate.

Using this method, West Coast scores 44 and Richmond 41. For the H&A season only.

Using your method WC should only be 42.

But yeah the funniest thing about the WA sooks is they can’t even get a consistent argument

Richmond play Sydney at Etihad, the WA sooks still claim this as a proper home game for Richmond

Despite Sydney playing just as many games at Etihad as Richmond, and Sydney actually having a better win record at Etihad...because Sydney hop on a plane for it is a disadvantage for them.

Then Eagles play Melbourne in the NT, they even consider this a disadvantage and still a full ‘home’ game to Melbourne.

 

[rmcq]

Would you be happy for all GFs to be held at Optus...

No way. Totally unfair.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Home advantage is real and always has been, it doesn’t disappear on GF day.

Collingwood and West Coast has met 53 times since 1987 and only 15 times has the home side lost.
Richmond and West Coast have met 44 times since 1987 and only 13 times has the home side lost. Richmond have been average fir much of that time yet still managed to win most of their home games against the Eagles.
thats just two clubs and it would be different for every club but I suspect it will be similar averages.

I love the GF at the G and happy it is there but don’t try and convince me any away team outside of Victoria is playing on a neutral deck GF day. I was at the G fir the 2018 GF and Collingwood had easily a 65-35 split of the crowd, how so many pies supporters managed to get tickets is still beyond me.

 

[strongandbold12]

Pretty happy the Vic Govt did a deal with the AFL to keep the Grand Final at the MCG for another 20 years. Only thing better would have been to have it at Punt Road Oval.

Let’s be honest, fairness is only important if you perceive you’re being treated unfairly.

Go Tiges!

go the ****en tiges. MCG is the best!

 

[kranky al]

Cool. Let’s go back to 2017. We finished 3rd and played Adelaide (1st), Geelong (2nd), GWS (4th), Port (5th) all at their home grounds in H&A. Only double up was against GWS. Were we complaining that we had to play all the top sides away...no we mutherfu**n weren’t


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You just lost to all but port

If we dont beat teams away we dont play finals.

NEXT

 

[kranky al]

I like your old posts better than your new posts.

Noone was beating richmond this year.

Could have held it in afghanistan in a poppy field with the taliban chucking jumping jack mines while greta thunberg gave everyone a lecture on global warming.

Noone is arguing 2019.

 

[kranky al]

Collingwood have a better win ratio at Etihad/Marvel, the GaBbA, Optus and ANZ stadium compared to the G.

So your ‘logic’ is that Collingwood playing Brisbane at the GABBA is advantage to Collingwood.

Geelong and Sydney have the best win ratios at Etihad/Marvel...your logic is they have an advantage playing their over StKilda!

Your ‘logic’ is rubbish.

You guys also say that traveling, sleeping in hotels, having routine disrupted is a disadvantage...but in next breath claim that Hawks have a ‘home’ advantage when they have to travel, sleep in a hotel and have their normal routine disrupted.

#facts

Travel to tassie is about as far as geelong time wise.

The biggest factors in travel are -


Difficulty Hawks Eagles

circadian disruption - none - yes
long flights - no - yes
Unfamiliarity with the ground - no -yes
Hotel rooms - (not sure?) - yes



Im not sure if they do this or not - but hawthorn could fly at 8am - be in tassie by 9 - play at 12 and be on a flight at 6, home by 7pm

Im not sure why you would bring this up - bit pathetic really.


If the eagles played regular home games in geraldton id call that a home game and for the opposition team an away interstate game.

 

[doppleganger]

Travel to tassie is about as far as geelong time wise.

The biggest factors in travel are -


Difficulty Hawks Eagles

circadian disruption - none - yes
long flights - no - yes
Unfamiliarity with the ground - no -yes
Hotel rooms - (not sure?) - yes



Im not sure if they do this or not - but hawthorn could fly at 8am - be in tassie by 9 - play at 12 and be on a flight at 6, home by 7pm

Im not sure why you would bring this up - bit pathetic really.


If the eagles played regular home games in geraldton id call that a home game and for the opposition team an away interstate game.

Not sure why I brought it up!?

The entire premise of the thread being the GF exhibits the same advantage / disadvantage as a regular home game.

So for that to be hold you need to establish what actually creates the ‘advantage’ / ‘disadvantage’.

Adelaide or Sydney have any circadian disruption coming to Melbourne = no

Is it a long flight = no

So just like you rule out travel to Tassie as a disadvantage for Hawks, we must also rule out travel as an impediment for Adelaide and Sydney!

Routine...well a GF isn’t a normal routine for either team, so scrap that.

Crowd...you don’t get 90+ % crowd support like normally would for a H&A home game, so scrap that


Unfamiliarity with grounds = depending on opponent

So what proportion of the home advantage is a result of ‘ground familiarity’?

Acknowledging that home ground advantage actually is strongest for sports like basketball that are played indoors on exactly the same courts.

 

[Do the Dew]

You just lost to all but port

If we dont beat teams away we dont play finals.

NEXT

Yep Geelong by 2 goals, GWS by a goal in the last minute after our game winner got overturned dubiously. The thing is you get approx. 11 home games every year with HGA. So all you have to do is beat some shit teams away (think Carlton, Melbourne, GC, Brisbane) and you’re pretty much in finals. That’s why non-Vic teams + Geelong have a higher percentage chance of making finals than Vic teams. We have to travel and don’t get many games a year with HGA. So we have to be extremely good at our home ground (which we are now) to have a chance of finishing high up. Do you really think Brisbane were a better team than us this year? Or maybe it’s cause they won just about all their games at home and then got a few away

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[kranky al]

Yep Geelong by 2 goals, GWS by a goal in the last minute after our game winner got overturned dubiously. The thing is you get approx. 11 home games every year with HGA. So all you have to do is beat some shit teams away (think Carlton, Melbourne, GC, Brisbane) and you’re pretty much in finals. That’s why non-Vic teams + Geelong have a higher percentage chance of making finals than Vic teams. We have to travel and don’t get many games a year with HGA. So we have to be extremely good at our home ground (which we are now) to have a chance of finishing high up. Do you really think Brisbane were a better team than us this year? Or maybe it’s cause they won just about all their games at home and then got a few away

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I dont think brisbane was a better team by any measure whatsoever

Brisbane was a beneficiary of a bottom teams draw - one of the anomalies in the afl that often sees teams pop up quickly after a shit year - then come back to the pack the year after


I think from memory our best ever season was 10 wins at home.

In 2018 our premiership year we won 9/12 at home - 75%

thats when we were dominant - in a year where we arent is more like 7 or 6 wins at home.

Which means we have to win 6-7 games away to play finals.

 

[Kwality]

And check out who beat them.....remarkably Brisbane, Brisbane and west coast. I think even most Victorian club supporters playing the gf at the g isn’t fair, but the afl has made up their mind, what can we do?
Your club plays whoever they’re matched up against wherever it is, I’m sure the players would want to be a anywhere, anytime team rather than one who complains when it suits them

4 flags say the Eagles are there GF day, some are trying/feel the need to paint the GF location as a club thing, its not as many Vic club members acknowledge. I've mentioned the Pies often in this thread, all positive, the other co tenants of the G have very little GF day experience compared to the Pies.

I acknowledged Eddie particularly & his role in breaking up the MCC domination of the AFL. Without him/the Pies Prelim Final location would not be merit based.

GF losses come when 16 other clubs are in mothballs, but grinners are winners SO we are suffering long suffering Tigers fans who have only been there twice in 30 years , just 2 of the last 3, imagine how they'd be if they equalled the Crows back to back, on the road.

The AFL have been embarrassed into a fairer finals location (it was a national comp), teams earning the right to a home final (aka merit based) wheras the recent closed doors MCC/AFL negotiation is a step backwards. Its not about the tenants of the G, its about the AFL & its cowtowing to the MCC (25% of the seats at a GF are to members of a cricket club, when members of the competing clubs battle to get 20% each, go figure ...

I remain committed to calling out the GF deal, its sleazy because it was done behind closed doors, its self serving because the encumbents negotiated a deal that suited them - the AFL will continue to be held account as they should.

 

[Kwality]

Yep Geelong by 2 goals, GWS by a goal in the last minute after our game winner got overturned dubiously. The thing is you get approx. 11 home games every year with HGA. So all you have to do is beat some shit teams away (think Carlton, Melbourne, GC, Brisbane) and you’re pretty much in finals. That’s why non-Vic teams + Geelong have a higher percentage chance of making finals than Vic teams. We have to travel and don’t get many games a year with HGA. So we have to be extremely good at our home ground (which we are now) to have a chance of finishing high up. Do you really think Brisbane were a better team than us this year? Or maybe it’s cause they won just about all their games at home and then got a few away

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Memo HGA, its travel that is a disadvantage. HGA its not.

 

[Kwality]

One of the areas where the goal posts shift is MCG tenants and Victorian based teams.
Apparently when Richmond play an away game at Marvel stadium, it is said by many interstates that it is a home state game, so an equivalent to a home game (wa wa Richmond played 17 ages in Victoria, it's all so unfair). Yet when it suits your argument, you only want to include MCG tenants as having a home ground advantage at the G against interstate clubs, not all Victorian teams.

Anyway, the way I worked out home ground advantage was 4 Points for a home game against an interstate club. 2 points for home games against co tenants. 3 points for home games against Victorian Non co tenants. 3 points for the home game played against an interstate club that was not played at the MCG. 1 point for away games played in Victoria but not at the MCG. 0 points for away games interstate.

Using this method, West Coast scores 44 and Richmond 41. For the H&A season only.

Except its about the GF.

 

[kranky al]

One of the areas where the goal posts shift is MCG tenants and Victorian based teams.
Apparently when Richmond play an away game at Marvel stadium, it is said by many interstates that it is a home state game, so an equivalent to a home game (wa wa Richmond played 17 ages in Victoria, it's all so unfair). Yet when it suits your argument, you only want to include MCG tenants as having a home ground advantage at the G against interstate clubs, not all Victorian teams.

Anyway, the way I worked out home ground advantage was 4 Points for a home game against an interstate club. 2 points for home games against co tenants. 3 points for home games against Victorian Non co tenants. 3 points for the home game played against an interstate club that was not played at the MCG. 1 point for away games played in Victoria but not at the MCG. 0 points for away games interstate.

Using this method, West Coast scores 44 and Richmond 41. For the H&A season only.

When i did that table i clearly delineated that

 

[Kwality]

Using your method WC should only be 42.

But yeah the funniest thing about the WA sooks is they can’t even get a consistent argument

Richmond play Sydney at Etihad, the WA sooks still claim this as a proper home game for Richmond

Despite Sydney playing just as many games at Etihad as Richmond, and Sydney actually having a better win record at Etihad...because Sydney hop on a plane for it is a disadvantage for them.

Then Eagles play Melbourne in the NT, they even consider this a disadvantage and still a full ‘home’ game to Melbourne.

Because thats what the AFL call it, you played home games for money in NQ for the money, dont pull that one. Reality is you guys havent played at home since 1965 & you want to quibble over something you walked away from 50+ years ago - get with the program its a national comp & whats at issue is the GF co tenants on GF day.