McLeod doesn't feel like past players are welcome at the Crows

[BunjiMac]

Jesus Christ, he's pissed off because he lost a very well paid position in a foundation named after him after the grant support dried up.

We couldn't afford to keep underwriting his funding and he feels that means we don't want him around anymore. That we've been disrespectful to him.

Why do we feel the need to pretend this is about something else?

Probably because we've seen this administration in action over the last 5 years and know exactly how they work.

Probably because it took a revolt and protest by the players to have anything done about them.

Probably because the root causes of many o those problems remains at the club.

 

[feenix67]

Not sure how everyone else feels about the McLeod situation, but in my opinion no player, current or past, is bigger than the club. Full stop.

Sure it’s fine to shower past players with admiration and adulation, but some people put them ahead of club interests and have them at Demi-god status. The club has that status, no one else.

Too many people on this board LOVE the drama, and they almost feed off the negativity that’s put out there in the media.

Make no mistake, Andrew McLeod

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has been looked after by our club, and it’s our club that has given him everything. Respect is earned, and for me it’s an ongoing process. It can be lost as quickly as it’s gained.

It’s ok to judge how McLeod acts towards our club in retirement. For anyone who thinks it was ok for a past player to put the boot in whilst we we’re at a low point in our history (to gain a podcast audience and more clicks) then fine. If you’re going to be blinded by fame or misguided adoration, then there’s not much people can say to convince you otherwise. It’s YOU who’s put him on a pedestal to which he can’t come down from.

We’re going through a transition, a much needed one, and the club should not be bogged down with addressing past-player issues that are constantly dredged up by clickbait media, and happily propagated by sad-sack ‘half-supporters’


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All well and good, but if the club creates an environment where past player(s) feel inclined to do so, then it becomes a problem the club needs to deal with. AFC has consistently struggled to keep past generation players engaged, for whatever reason, so I don't think the broader issue should be ignored.

 

[BunjiMac]

All well and good, but if the club creates an environment where past player(s) feel inclined to do so, then it becomes a problem the club needs to deal with. AFC has consistently struggled to keep past generation players engaged, for whatever reason, so I don't think the broader issue should be ignored.

We are the worst in the AFL at this

 

[WeedsMullet84]

There no transition.. its the same sh*t show... this is just yet another screw up by the same people who have been screwing things up for the past 3 or 4 years.

Then go support another team


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[Geoffa32]

All well and good, but if the club creates an environment where past player(s) feel inclined to do so, then it becomes a problem the club needs to deal with. AFC has consistently struggled to keep past generation players engaged, for whatever reason, so I don't think the broader issue should be ignored.

As I said earlier today, past players are often at our game.

They have a function for every home game.

I see em all the time in the Western stand.

We seem to employ any past player that needs a job(joking). And I am sure if any want to head down and watch a training session they can.

Not sure what else they can do.


Macca might feel excluded, he also just lost two jobs at the club.

I bet Ben Hart

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is not happy either, or Brett Burton

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Having said that, if the imagery of past players success has been removed from the club, Macca said this, that is bad. Not just from welcoming past players, but inspiring and educating current players about our club's success.

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[WeedsMullet84]

If you start with this premise, the entirety of your post which is to the effect that it was wrong to criticise the past player directors of the club, is nonsensical.

We were at our lowest ebb because of the people and culture that McLeod criticised. His doing so was an act of service to the club.

The club is not the people currently in office. They do not get some sort of mystical protection by cloaking themselves in its imagery. They ought be accountable to the real stake holders: the members.

But you’re completely ignoring the fact that you’re applying this ‘magical cloak’ analogy to McLeod. He’s ONE person. The views of the majority of past players do not reflect the experience of ONE player in McLeod being unhappy with the club. He’s had more attention and roles provided to him by the club than most past players. And yet because he’s complained about his experience, all of a sudden the weight of blame falls against the Crows because why? Because McLeod is a former player of quality?

If he aired his grievances to the club directly, instead of on a podcast, and the club didn’t work with him to better his relationship with the club, then yeah I’d care a little bit more, but just remember that McLeod also has a duty of care to maintain a positive relationship with the club and its supporters.




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[WeedsMullet84]

All well and good, but if the club creates an environment where past player(s) feel inclined to do so, then it becomes a problem the club needs to deal with. AFC has consistently struggled to keep past generation players engaged, for whatever reason, so I don't think the broader issue should be ignored.

ONE player. ONE. Who has clearly been outed as being fairly high maintenance in terms of keeping happy as a former player. Screams Prima Donna to me, and I’m happy to reiterate it again. No player, past or present, is bigger than the club.


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[WeedsMullet84]

As I said earlier today, past players are often at our game.

They have a function for every home game.

I see em all the time in the Western stand.

We seem to employ any past player that needs a job(joking). And I am sure if any want to head down and watch a training session they can.

Not sure what else they can do.


Macca might feel excluded, he also just lost two jobs at the club.

I bet Ben Hart

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is not happy either, or Brett Burton

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Having said that, if the imagery of past players success has been removed from the club, Macca said this, that is bad. Not just from welcoming past players, but inspiring and educating current players about our club's success.

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[Southerntakeover]

But you’re completely ignoring the fact that you’re applying this ‘magical cloak’ analogy to McLeod. He’s ONE person. The views of the majority of past players do not reflect the experience of ONE player in McLeod being unhappy with the club. He’s had more attention and roles provided to him by the club than most past players. And yet because he’s complained about his experience, all of a sudden the weight of blame falls against the Crows because why? Because McLeod is a former player of quality?

If he aired his grievances to the club directly, instead of on a podcast, and the club didn’t work with him to better his relationship with the club, then yeah I’d care a little bit more, but just remember that McLeod also has a duty of care to maintain a positive relationship with the club and its supporters.

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Wait, so you claim McLeod is the only person that's ever expressed unhappiness with the Adelaide Football Club?

Which is it are you being dishonest or delusional?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Jesus Christ, he's pissed off because he lost a very well paid position in a foundation named after him after the grant support dried up.

We couldn't afford to keep underwriting his funding and he feels that means we don't want him around anymore. That we've been disrespectful to him.

Why do we feel the need to pretend this is about something else?

It's probably because people don't accept your right to declare grubby club defending propaganda as uncontested fact?

 

[feenix67]

ONE player. ONE. Who has clearly been outed as being fairly high maintenance in terms of keeping happy as a former player. Screams Prima Donna to me, and I’m happy to reiterate it again. No player, past or present, is bigger than the club.


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It's more than one, but my comment was intended to be more of an "if" statement. My impression is that we are better than we used to be, but could be better still.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I love the argument that he must have loved the club, his treatment by it, and everyone in it when he was working for it and his grievances suddenly developed when that ended.

It's a notorious fact, of course, that everyone loves everything about their employer.

 

[jenny61_99]

So from reading the full article, it appears that McLeod was receiving $300,000 a year in federal funding for his programs. That was ended in 2018 and the Crows took over in matching that funding to keep his programs going, which they have now deemed as unable to do with the COVID cutbacks in 2021. Because of that McLeod has started up a new business venture with unnamed partners which has prevented him from having the time to coach in the AFLW.

So basically the headline has made it seem like retribution for him speaking out against the club when it's not really the case at all.

And yet folk are still keen to either t-off on a club legend or the club , don’t let facts get in the way of a good drama.

 

[Golumless]

Bit sad we've moved on, but it's probably best for both parties if we're unable to fund the indigenous program in the near future.

 

[Runnin Blue]

I tuned out when some idiot posted “truth to power”.

We’re there, now.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I tuned out when some idiot posted “truth to power”.

We’re there, now.

You've never been tuned in.

 

[Runnin Blue]

You've never been tuned in.

To what? Parroting braindead and made up internet speak?

I’m far too intelligent for that.

 

[Southerntakeover]

To what? Parroting braindead and made up internet speak?

I’m far too intelligent for that.

No one thinks you're intelligent.

You should stick to posting weird sexual fantasies about your internet persona.

 

[Runnin Blue]

No one thinks you're intelligent.

You should stick to posting weird sexual fantasies about your internet persona.

I think that’s a micro-aggression, love.

Check your privilege.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I think that’s a micro-aggression, love.

Check your privilege.

It doesnt take much to send you into a full loon spiral, does it? Did the use of a phrase pages ago make you feel that your identity as edgy boomer was being threatened or something?

 

[Runnin Blue]

It doesnt take much to send you into a full loon spiral, does it? Did the use of a phrase pages ago make you feel that your identity as edgy boomer was being threatened or something?

Lmao.

Ahem, “sexy boomer”.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Lmao.

Ahem, “sexy boomer”.

Boy, I was sure wrong to doubt your intelligence.

 

[CrowinNT]

Does anyone here actually know the McLeod family ?
Stop speculating this is a BS storyline

 

[Runnin Blue]

Boy, I was sure wrong to doubt your intelligence.

You were wrong about me being a boomer, too, but I’m still having fun. Let’s keep going.

I’ve still got internet buzz terms to check off my bingo card.

 

[Southerntakeover]

You were wrong about me being a boomer, too, but I’m still having fun. Let’s keep going.

I’ve still got internet buzz terms to check off my bingo card.

This is going to be one of those things where you just pretend that you're doing well and aren't at all embarrassing yourself in public for pages at end, isn't it?