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Milk Steak said:
I can totally understand some supporters on here saying that they'd prefer if we kept Leppitsch on, that's fine. What I don't though is when people say that "There's no other coach that will do/could've done any better. Although the situation called for the blooding of a lot of young talent,I'd like to think it was possible for another coach to achieve better than a 2-18 record with mass beltings.
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I agree however loosing many A graders to injury has exposed our young talent as a group rather being drip feed into the team when ready..surely we can't blame the coach. Let's stay the course...
 

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Cooties said:
I can see an end of first round PP being given out because it's not nearly as damaging to the draft as Pick 1 but also gives the illusion of support from the AFL - its a win win for them (if they give one out at all)
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I find it interesting that the AFL are happy to raise it in the media. Putting the football world on notice it will be raised and i think we might get one this year. If the Lions don't get a PP this year i doubt any club will ever get one again. What's more i can't see the point of giving it to us after the first round picks. Pick 19/20 is very unlikely to be a superstar. Pick 3 your hoping to draft a 200+ player with all the attributes. For me it defeats the purpose of handing out a PP if your not getting that pick in the top3.

Also listening to SEN almost daily you have people ringing in saying it's a disgrace that Essendon will get pick 1. This also might play into our hands in getting a PP.
 
lionshine said:
Asked about a PP for the Lions and Gil says that "He hasn't thought about it and that he expects the Lions to ask and when they do the AFL will assess it." I think based off those comments it is at least a possibility. Wasn't he just straight up saying "No" this time last year? I'm sceptical over whether we will actually end up with one but I think unlike last year the AFL will at least consider it.
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Possibly, but then he also said this “He’s got a very talented group of young players and they’ve had a very tough time. He’s got a heap of injuries..." - to me, that sounds like he is paving the way for a list of reasons to explain why the answer will be NO.

I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong. We need a lot of things, and a PP certainly is one of those things that will definitely help. ESPECIALLY in this draft.
 
Eons said:
Funny you say that, we are ranked 4th in scoring from inside 50 entries in the league. You are way off the mark on this one, he is doing an amazing job with such a young forward line and one of the assistants I'd be looking to keep.
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Bullsh--. He is doing the best job he can but he's not a forward coach.
 
Bucking Beads said:
A PP doesn't make us better in the next few years anyway. If anything it sells a bit of hope to fans. That said we'd still need to pick the right player with a PP and keep them long term for it to really help us anyway. Our young midfield needs an injection of elite talent.
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Hell yeah, with our media dept (best spin-doctors in the business!), imagine what hope they would drum up if landed a PP together with our #2?
 
WhiteLionFeva said:
Gerard Healy repeating his usual line about all of Brisbane's problems being of their own making. Does he really believe that? If so he's a bigger fool than I take him for which is saying something.
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So I take it from your comment that you believe some external force made us make the series of dud recruitment choices we've consistently made over the past recent years.

Leaving us in the position where, as Leppa said at the weekend, half [I'd actually estimate 2/3rds or more] of our side should not be playing at AFL level, except he has no choice. "Boys against men". In all the many years I've been watching football this was the single most amazing "confession" by a coach I've ever seen. Apart from anything else, must instill a certain confidence in the side, if nothing else. Not. No-one expected Essendon to win anything this year, but I just can't imagine Worsfold making this comment.

Anyway, as above, just how did we get to this place? Not overnight, not suddenly. Boiled down to its essentials, it's basically saying our club has failed. Our ultimate aim of fielding a side that can actually compete is not a realistic prospect. And hasn't been for seasons. Accordingly, everyone, everyone, from the President, CEO and down has to take a good hard look at themselves. They've all contributed.

Of course not anything like all of this can be laid at the Coach's door, although plenty can. I personally don't think there was ever any real recovery from the "throat grab against the wall episode". If this had happened in private enterprise, and certainly the public service, he'd be long gone. No excuses, no heat of the moment. Unforgivable, and illustrative of an underlying attitudinal problem.

And all these expensive "experts" drafted in to sort our recruitment, advise on strategy, word in the coach's ear, sort the wheat from the chaff, Southern know-how, grizzled expertise beats all, etc etc- worked well.
 
royboys4eva said:
I find it interesting that the AFL are happy to raise it in the media. Putting the football world on notice it will be raised and i think we might get one this year. If the Lions don't get a PP this year i doubt any club will ever get one again. What's more i can't see the point of giving it to us after the first round picks. Pick 19/20 is very unlikely to be a superstar. Pick 3 your hoping to draft a 200+ player with all the attributes. For me it defeats the purpose of handing out a PP if your not getting that pick in the top3.

Also listening to SEN almost daily you have people ringing in saying it's a disgrace that Essendon will get pick 1. This also might play into our hands in getting a PP.
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End of first round still wouldn't be the end of the world. Package that up with a departing player of some currency (Hanley, Rockliff, Martin, Green, who else?) and it could be turned into something genuinely worthwhile (a solid top 10 pick). Alternatively, package that #18/19 with the #20 (or #28) we have as a bundle, and get something in the #8-12 range.
 
13Beast said:
Possibly, but then he also said this “He’s got a very talented group of young players and they’ve had a very tough time. He’s got a heap of injuries..." - to me, that sounds like he is paving the way for a list of reasons to explain why the answer will be NO.

I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong. We need a lot of things, and a PP certainly is one of those things that will definitely help. ESPECIALLY in this draft.
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Exactly!
 
Forward We Go said:
Bullsh--. He is doing the best job he can but he's not a forward coach.
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Check the stats mate, he is doing a great job. What would you expect any forward coach to do with such a young forward line?

As Glen Luff says from Champion Data, without stats you are just another flog with an opinion.

What are your reasons for why he is doing such a bad job?
 
Cooties said:
I can see an end of first round PP being given out because it's not nearly as damaging to the draft as Pick 1 but also gives the illusion of support from the AFL - its a win win for them (if they give one out at all)
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That's what I worry about. If we become the only club to ever officially receive a priority pick under the current system then it becomes the first thing the AFL mentions whenever they're asked about special assistance for us over the next few years. And there is clearly no shortage of media commentators who'd be keen to reinforce that point.
 
Eons said:
Check the stats mate, he is doing a great job. What would you expect any forward coach to do with such a young forward line?

As Glen Luff says from Champion Data, without stats you are just another flog with an opinion.

What are your reasons for why he is doing such a bad job?
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Bullsh-- again. Ben is NOT a specialist forward coach. I have not said he's doing a bad job and I have said he's doing the best he can. He is also the ruck coach so he's got 2 specialist jobs? Talented man!!! My point is that all other AFL teams have specialist coaches who are specialists in their given roles and do not have more than that 1 role to be responsible for. Ben was brought in to be a specialist ruck coach and now is doing 2 jobs. One which I think would be better for someone who probably played there most of their career and has some credibility as a forward. (Ben has credibility but as a forward maybe not)
IMO, stats are good but if you rely on them to give you your best players in a game, flog is also a good name to call yourself. Stats do not provide blocks, shepherds, taps out of congestion, in & under efforts, encouragement of other players, leadership skills, overall presence on the field, hard bumps, aggression, intimidation & many more important parts that make a good tem. Glen Luff.... allowed to have his opinion. Does he work at Champion Data? LOL
 

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Forward We Go said:
Bullsh-- again. Ben is NOT a specialist forward coach. I have not said he's doing a bad job and I have said he's doing the best he can. He is also the ruck coach so he's got 2 specialist jobs? Talented man!!! My point is that all other AFL teams have specialist coaches who are specialists in their given roles and do not have more than that 1 role to be responsible for. Ben was brought in to be a specialist ruck coach and now is doing 2 jobs. One which I think would be better for someone who probably played there most of their career and has some credibility as a forward. (Ben has credibility but as a forward maybe not)
IMO, stats are good but if you rely on them to give you your best players in a game, flog is also a good name to call yourself. Stats do not provide blocks, shepherds, taps out of congestion, in & under efforts, encouragement of other players, leadership skills, overall presence on the field, hard bumps, aggression, intimidation & many more important parts that make a good tem. Glen Luff.... allowed to have his opinion. Does he work at Champion Data? LOL
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I do agree that we should have both - a specialist ruck coach and a separate specialist forwards coach. Don't know just much we can attribute to Hudson's forward coaching of Schache/Hipwood/Close - did they already come with innate knowledge of being a natural forward? Or was it all taught to them by Hudson? Impossible to ascertain.

Having said that, I have been very impressed with Schache and Hipwood's work-rate, defensive pressure, leads, work below the knees, ability in the contest, repeat efforts and just about every part of their game....except their kicking for goal. I cannot fathom how Schache was a dead-eye d*ck in the juniors, then it all vanishes at senior level...yet the rest of his game is top notch? Ditto with Hipwood (whom we have actually seen his kicking visibly regress over the handful of games he has played this year). Is it nerves? Pressure? Or is somebody tapping them on the shoulder telling them to change something in their technique? Who knows, but it needs to be rectified. And perhaps that is something outside of Hudson's skill-set, or its simply not being addressed.

Someone mooted a few months back to bring in Lloyd/Richo/Carey or some other pinpoint goal kicking legend (even Pavlich if he is retired end of the season?) on a short term contract to nut out the quirks in Hipwood and Schache's kicking for goal, and work purely with those two to iron out any deficiencies. Great idea, and perhaps with some extra funding, that will be addressed.
 
Eons said:
Check the stats mate, he is doing a great job. What would you expect any forward coach to do with such a young forward line?

As Glen Luff says from Champion Data, without stats you are just another flog with an opinion.

What are your reasons for why he is doing such a bad job?
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Forward We Go said:
Bullsh-- again. Ben is NOT a specialist forward coach. I have not said he's doing a bad job and I have said he's doing the best he can. He is also the ruck coach so he's got 2 specialist jobs? Talented man!!! My point is that all other AFL teams have specialist coaches who are specialists in their given roles and do not have more than that 1 role to be responsible for. Ben was brought in to be a specialist ruck coach and now is doing 2 jobs. One which I think would be better for someone who probably played there most of their career and has some credibility as a forward. (Ben has credibility but as a forward maybe not)
IMO, stats are good but if you rely on them to give you your best players in a game, flog is also a good name to call yourself. Stats do not provide blocks, shepherds, taps out of congestion, in & under efforts, encouragement of other players, leadership skills, overall presence on the field, hard bumps, aggression, intimidation & many more important parts that make a good tem. Glen Luff.... allowed to have his opinion. Does he work at Champion Data? LOL
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We can dispense with the name calling right there. No need for it. Also there are other threads for this discussion this one is for media announcements. Take it over to one of those
 
13Beast said:
I do agree that we should have both - a specialist ruck coach and a separate specialist forwards coach. Don't know just much we can attribute to Hudson's forward coaching of Schache/Hipwood/Close - did they already come with innate knowledge of being a natural forward? Or was it all taught to them by Hudson? Impossible to ascertain.

Having said that, I have been very impressed with Schache and Hipwood's work-rate, defensive pressure, leads, work below the knees, ability in the contest, repeat efforts and just about every part of their game....except their kicking for goal. I cannot fathom how Schache was a dead-eye d*ck in the juniors, then it all vanishes at senior level...yet the rest of his game is top notch? Ditto with Hipwood (whom we have actually seen his kicking visibly regress over the handful of games he has played this year). Is it nerves? Pressure? Or is somebody tapping them on the shoulder telling them to change something in their technique? Who knows, but it needs to be rectified. And perhaps that is something outside of Hudson's skill-set, or its simply not being addressed.

Someone mooted a few months back to bring in Lloyd/Richo/Carey or some other pinpoint goal kicking legend (even Pavlich if he is retired end of the season?) on a short term contract to nut out the quirks in Hipwood and Schache's kicking for goal, and work purely with those two to iron out any deficiencies. Great idea, and perhaps with some extra funding, that will be addressed.
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I think Schache & Hipwood's recent missed set shots come down to being 18 year old kids in a relatively unfamiliar & pressure environment. Some advice in goal kicking from a specialist would be perfect for them both. I'm sure they both enjoyed Lloydy last year when they had him as forward coach in the AFL Academy. What about Allistar Lynch??? Oh...wait a minute. Gold Coast have him down there. Bugger.
 
Lol

Members email sent out titled "another key signing"

Get excited, thinking of who it could be, maybe Schache has extended.

Nope. Vero are our sponsors for another two years.

Yay I guess
 
BRAB said:
Lol

Members email sent out titled "another key signing"

Get excited, thinking of who it could be, maybe Schache has extended.

Nope. Vero are our sponsors for another two years.

Yay I guess
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Vero's a great sponsor for us, so i'm not complaining. Camperdown on the otherhand...
 
BRAB said:
Lol

Members email sent out titled "another key signing"

Get excited, thinking of who it could be, maybe Schache has extended.

Nope. Vero are our sponsors for another two years.

Yay I guess
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Still pretty damn good news really.
 
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