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lionshine said:
Asked about a PP for the Lions and Gil says that "He hasn't thought about it and that he expects the Lions to ask and when they do the AFL will assess it." I think based off those comments it is at least a possibility. Wasn't he just straight up saying "No" this time last year? I'm sceptical over whether we will actually end up with one but I think unlike last year the AFL will at least consider it.
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13Beast said:
Possibly, but then he also said this “He’s got a very talented group of young players and they’ve had a very tough time. He’s got a heap of injuries..." - to me, that sounds like he is paving the way for a list of reasons to explain why the answer will be NO.

I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong. We need a lot of things, and a PP certainly is one of those things that will definitely help. ESPECIALLY in this draft.
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I think the fact that Gill's comments can be read as either positive or negative, indicates that they either haven't made a decision and are testing the waters, or have made a decision and making out like it is a tough choice that they'll need to give a lot of consideration.
If they are undecided, these type of comments will get tossed around and they can gauge how that decision might be received by big stakeholders (like other clubs and league sponsor, general footy public etc). Will they get away with giving us a PP without tooo much criticism or backlash?
If they have decided in the positive, they don't want it to look clear cut, or an easy or lightly made decision. "Oohhhh, we dunnooo. Mayyybeeee". They'll want it to appear as though they had to agonise about such a thing. They won't give any definitive indicators either way until the 11th hour. Certainly not before end of season.
Until then, we'll get non-committal comments that could be read as positive or negative.
 

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Skoob said:
I think the fact that Gill's comments can be read as either positive or negative, indicates that they either haven't made a decision and are testing the waters, or have made a decision and making out like it is a tough choice that they'll need to give a lot of consideration.
If they are undecided, these type of comments will get tossed around and they can gauge how that decision might be received by big stakeholders (like other clubs and league sponsor, general footy public etc). Will they get away with giving us a PP without tooo much criticism or backlash?
If they have decided in the positive, they don't want it to look clear cut, or an easy or lightly made decision. "Oohhhh, we dunnooo. Mayyybeeee". They'll want it to appear as though they had to agonise about such a thing. They won't give any definitive indicators either way until the 11th hour. Certainly not before end of season.
Until then, we'll get non-committal comments that could be read as positive or negative.
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Hey don't forget when it comes to Gil it'll also come with a smile cause every thing is just fine!
 
WhiteLionFeva said:
Players have their level and so do coaches. I think both (O'Brien and Leppa) have been out of their depth. I think a good AFL coach would have this team playing much more competitively, if not winning. Of course, the thing is to pick a coach who can coach. We may have to take a chance on another rookie given senior coaches won't be lining up for the opportunity. Could work out, might not. Of course, as supporters we reserve the right to be outraged if it doesn't.
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Agree with you here on the first part, but I still think former senior coaches would certainly be interested in the position. We (surely, cmon we have to be) are now at our lowest ebb, with AFL financial assistance with football spending, and financial / management assistance with securing new facilities things are looking more promising. I'd also guess that senior coaches are pretty bullish in relation to their own abilities and would back themselves in to turn things around.

And sure, we look a bit of a rabble at the moment, but looking around there aren't a whole lot of positions going around right now & may not be for quite a while either, no guarantee a coach will fall off the perch next year. There aren't that many head jobs out there.
 
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-09/afl-to-explore-alternatives-to-priority-pick-system

THE AFL is open to looking at different draft models as a way to help battling clubs rejuvenate quicker, according to football operations manager Mark Evans.

With concerns about the Brisbane Lions' ability to regenerate their list after seven years without playing a final, debate has resurfaced about whether the club deserves a priority pick.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said on Tuesday he expected the Lions would apply for such assistance.

Evans said the AFL would prefer to investigate structures for helping clubs rebound outside the old priority pick system, which was scrapped in 2012.

"I think we would like to consider how you could get clubs to rejuvenate quicker than the current system, but there are dangers with the priority pick system we had – that's why we took it out," Evans told 3AW radio on Tuesday night.

"Now it is [awarded through] an application to the Commission, and I think it'll be very rarely implemented.

"So there is a possibility of looking at different drafting models."

Before 2012, teams received a priority pick if they had five wins or fewer during the season.

Melbourne, the Lions and Carlton have all applied for assistance in recent seasons, but the AFL's general counsel, Andrew Dillon, and Evans have recommended to the Commission that their bids be denied.

Evans said he remained committed in principle to the first round of the NAB AFL Draft having all clubs represented in reverse ladder order, but there could be room for assistance to clubs in later rounds.

"I think there is something worth looking at, as to whether there is an extra pick somewhere for either sides not in the finals or maybe repeated not in finals," he said.

Meanwhile, the League's football boss ruled out any reduction to the interchange cap of 90 in 2017.

Evans also said free agency would need to be monitored as it was not having the desired impact on equalisation.

"I think we say that the draft and the salary cap is a great equaliser, and we've added in free agency, which doesn't seem to have the same equalising effect," he said.
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...h/news-story/f3f438fd4e625fd7c807a9a69f1f1cf6

I understand this is still only a media report, however I do remember saying I was of the belief that the AFL had questioned Swan on the 4th year and that essentially, the AFL were not impressed.

This media leak / story is only adding to the fact Leppa will be sacked, can't see (on top of everything else) the AFL starting a rescue package / rebuild with him at the club, they won't support us any further. They will point to previous concerns as having been proven correct.

I had heard in mid 2015 the AFL were not at all pleased with Leppa and what they were hearing out of Brisbane, nothing has changed. Others laughed off suggestions that the AFL would do this and get involved in dictating our next appointment, but they are in it up the their necks as far as I am concerned.
 
Royboys44 said:
I understand this as Ive been in the same boat this year but each week after my frustration and hurt are swallowed back down I realise that Leppa is not the problem! It is infact the environment and personnel! Jesus Christ himself would not have made a difference this year. I still feel that if Leppa was given more time and quality support staff and development coaches/psychs and of course a quality base to feel belonging and confident about where the club is headed then they could buy in and believe and BELONG! Oh wait the players are buying in and belonging! I hope the club is very careful in their next steps. Constant change is NOT the answer.
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Decent small forward but he had his crosses to bear, which ultimately limited his time in the game.
 

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lioninthesand said:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...h/news-story/f3f438fd4e625fd7c807a9a69f1f1cf6

I understand this is still only a media report, however I do remember saying I was of the belief that the AFL had questioned Swan on the 4th year and that essentially, the AFL were not impressed.

This media leak / story is only adding to the fact Leppa will be sacked, can't see (on top of everything else) the AFL starting a rescue package / rebuild with him at the club, they won't support us any further. They will point to previous concerns as having been proven correct.

I had heard in mid 2015 the AFL were not at all pleased with Leppa and what they were hearing out of Brisbane, nothing has changed. Others laughed off suggestions that the AFL would do this and get involved in dictating our next appointment, but they are in it up the their necks as far as I am concerned.
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Isn't this just re-reporting on a story from the beginning of the season? I could have sworn I saw something more or less identical in the Fairfax press.
 
SizeMatters said:
PP looks gone for good. Start of second round picks the likely replacement IMO.
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That's how it reads doesn't it. Pick 19 here we come, pfft, seriously either give a pick 1 or just scrap it.
It was interesting to find out that when the draft came in there were 12 teams so if you finished last your first three picks would have been. 1,13,25 in comparison to 1,19,37. Not to scoff at it it's a bit of a joke isn't it.
 
Sounds like they're trying to make it like the Lions went rogue after a "are you REALLY sure?" question from the AFL. Surely if we were in those negotiations they would've had to satisfy the AFL's questioning before actually going ahead with it?
 
CarterS said:
It shouldn't get to me but it does... Whenever we are mentioned on FB or Twitter nearly all the replies say we won 3 Premierships because of concessions. No discussions just waves of pot shots.
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Don't worry mate, you will get over it.
I have a framed 3-peat photo in my study that puts a smile on my face every time I see it and nobody can take this away from me. Neither the experience and memory I have when I knew we had won each of the 3 GFs.
People (uninformed people) can say what they like, however, deep down we were playing within the rules. Similar to Sydney.
It should be remembered that Haw and Coll both benefitted from AFL concession rules (ie PPs). Without the PPs, Haw and Coll would not have selected Franklin and Pendlebury respectively - so in actual fact they 'cheated' as they were able to win premierships with those players.
Next time someone says to you that we cheated, just hand them a tissue and if they're a Collingwood supporter, give them the box.
 
Bucking Beads said:
If I was the coach the AFL were trying to earmark as our coach I'd be demanding a PP I reckon.
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I think you're onto something there.
If the AFL were to select a coach for us, you would think that the coach would ask for:-
- a 5 year deal
- extra $$ for asst & development coaches
- better facilities &
- a PP
 
I really think priority picks don't do squat to solve our issues. Would much rather we just focused on getting as much assistance with facilities and development as possible and didn't bother applying for an extra draft pick.
 
Dan12 said:
I really think priority picks don't do squat to solve our issues. Would much rather we just focused on getting as much assistance with facilities and development as possible and didn't bother applying for an extra draft pick.
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We've already got the extra $$$ assistance to improve the coaching staff and will be able to use 100% of our salary cap. While we have some good young players we still need lots more talent. We'd be silly not to apply for a PP.
 
alscotoz2 said:
Decent small forward but he had his crosses to bear, which ultimately limited his time in the game.
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Too busy turning water into wine

"Culcha"
 
Dan12 said:
I really think priority picks don't do squat to solve our issues. Would much rather we just focused on getting as much assistance with facilities and development as possible and didn't bother applying for an extra draft pick.
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Might be outta luck there mate...


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Brisbane Lions have worst list of top-20 talent and want priority pick
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BRISBANE Lions will launch a bid for a priority draft pick by declaring a state of emergency on their threadbare list.

The Lions will argue before the AFL Commission they cannot reasonably compete with a list that includes only four top-20 draft picks.

Brisbane’s paltry tally of talent follows an exodus of young guns and compares to a staggering 23 top-20 selections at rising superpower Greater Western Sydney. Richmond has 18 and Carlton 16.

The Lions will hold a board meeting on the eve of their final-round clash against St Kilda at Etihad Stadium on August 28, at which directors are expected to approve a formal submission for extra draft assistance.

The AFL assesses requests based on “on-field performance in recent years and any other matter the commission regards as relevant”.

League chief executive Gillon McLachlan said he was expecting a call from Brisbane about the priority draft pick.

“It’s about that time — three or four weeks until the end (of the season) that it gets raised,” McLachlan said.

“I’m sure that Brisbane will put it on the table and we’ll assess it then.”

Brisbane bosses believe the biggest driver of the club’s miserable two-win season has been a lack of players, not funding.

“Talent, not money, is the biggest issue,” a source said.

Daniel Rich (pick No.7, 2008), Sam Mayes (No.8, 2012), Josh Schache (No.2, 2015) and Eric Hipwood (No.14, 2015) are the only top 20 draft selections on Brisbane’s list.

Melbourne, Gold Coast, Essendon, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, West Coast Eagles and Geelong each have 13 top-20 picks.

Premiership favourite Sydney has only six, including Lance Franklin, but lured talent using the now defunct cost-of-living allowance and outstanding drafting and recruiting.

Brisbane’s two wins so far this season follow four last year and seven in 2014.

One option could be the AFL commission awarding the Lions an additional draft pick before this year’s eight finalists (selection No.10) to appease the nine other clubs that miss out on the finals.

Should the league deem the Brisbane situation to be more serious, it could award the club a pick immediately after its first selection (currently pick No.2).

A priority selection at the end of the first-round is also an option.

Top-20 picks including Sam Docherty (Carlton), James Aish (Collingwood), Mitch Clark (Geelong), Lachie Henderson (Carlton, Geelong), Matthew Leuenberger (Essendon), Billy Longer (St Kilda) and Jared Polec (Port Adelaide) have left Brisbane to play at other the clubs.

TOP-END TALENT

Top 20 picks on club lists this season

GWS Giants 23

Richmond 18

Carlton 16

Melbourne 13

Gold Coast Suns 13

Essendon 13

North Melbourne 13

Port Adelaide 13

West Coast Eagles 13

Geelong Cats 13

Collingwood 12

Hawthorn 12

Fremantle 9

Adelaide Crows 9

St Kilda 9

Western Bulldogs 7

Sydney Swans 6

Brisbane Lions 4

Players drafted by the Lions in the top 20

Daniel Rich

Sam Mayes

Josh Schache

Eric Hipwood

Sam Docherty GONE

James Aish GONE

Mitch Clark GONE

Lachie Henderson GONE

Matthew Leuenberger GONE

Billy Longer GONE

Jared Polec GONE
 
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