Merged Houli Threads

[HighettBomber]

Re: Dropping Bachar

Against Carlton he was sitting 20m off Garlett when the ball was on the opposite side of the ground. You can't blame turnovers for that. Is very poor defensively. We drill our midfielders and forwards for not 'defending their man' well enough, yet the man in our defence is worse than the lot of them, and it should be his best attribute. And if it isn't, get him outta there!

Why should he stand next to his opponent when the ball is at the other end of the ground, do you think the things is going to magically appear in his hands?

 

[Kong]

Re: Dropping Bachar

his performance was overrated against st kilda. was far from BOG.

You just know that performance will grow in legend as the years go by.

By 2013, he'll have had 35 touches, 12 marks, 3 goals, really unlucky to have 0 Brownlow votes.

 

[yaco55]

Re: Dropping Bachar

- Dempsey's instructions are to run off his man to generate some run
- No defender in the history of the game could have dealt with the turnovers of last week.

That's just not something you can see on TV.

If we could kick, Garlett would be on thin ice for not chasing his man down while he was charging down the wing.

3 of Garlett's goals came from stop plays.

And Dempsey was still off his opponent.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Dropping Bachar

3 of Garlett's goals came from stop plays.

And Dempsey was still off his opponent.

If I recall correctly Garlett kicked 3 first quarter goals.

1 when he came off the bench and got a cheapy after a turnover.

2nd one was when Prismal turned it over in the middle and Demspey was off him and running back. Garlett eventually got it and dribbled it through.

3rd one was when Kade Simpson run 50m down the wing unopposed and drilled a ball 25m out where 2 Carlton players were and Garlett got a simple mark.

Another goal I recall is the one where Henderson was running into an open goal and Dempsey left Garlett to put pressure on and then Garlett got a cheapy over the top.

The other 2 I can't recall but might be the ones you are talking about but I rekon you've got no idea and you're smokin crack.

 

[yaco55]

Re: Dropping Bachar

If I recall correctly Garlett kicked 3 first quarter goals.

1 when he came off the bench and got a cheapy after a turnover.

2nd one was when Prismal turned it over in the middle and Demspey was off him and running back. Garlett eventually got it and dribbled it through.

3rd one was when Kade Simpson run 50m down the wing unopposed and drilled a ball 25m out where 2 Carlton players were and Garlett got a simple mark.

Another goal I recall is the one where Henderson was running into an open goal and Dempsey left Garlett to put pressure on and then Garlett got a cheapy over the top.

The other 2 I can't recall but might be the ones you are talking about but I rekon you've got no idea and you're smokin crack.

You've conceded 2 or the 3 goals I mentioned because of Dempsey's loose marking - And accuse me of smacking crack

You may as include the media in this group seeing that they have the same opinion.

 

[anf06]

Re: Dropping Bachar

If I recall correctly Garlett kicked 3 first quarter goals.

1 when he came off the bench and got a cheapy after a turnover.

NOONE

2nd one was when Prismal turned it over in the middle and Demspey was off him and running back. Garlett eventually got it and dribbled it through.

DEMPSEY

3rd one was when Kade Simpson run 50m down the wing unopposed and drilled a ball 25m out where 2 Carlton players were and Garlett got a simple mark.

RIEMERS

The rest of them were all on Dempsey.

To answer a quote above about why would Dempsey stand on his opponent when the ball isn't close, I answer, why not?

Of all the teams in the afl, when we turn it over, which we do plenty of the time, the ball comes back in mighty fast. Dempsey is busy having a gander up the field and when the ball comes back the other way Dempsey is so far off his man. That is HIS fault. Every team turns it over, it is a part of football, you can't blame it on the turnover.

As I have said before, the good defenders, stick by their man and then zone to space. Dempsey zones the space and then runs back to his man.

I struggle to understand how you cannot understand that fundamental.

 

[anf06]

Re: Dropping Bachar

Why should he stand next to his opponent when the ball is at the other end of the ground, do you think the things is going to magically appear in his hands?

???

Because when the ball comes back it goes right over his head and into Garlett's arms you goose and Dempsey flails like a crazy person trying deperately to get into a position where he should have been in the first place. Is he scared of catching something if he stands within 2 metres?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Dropping Bachar

The rest of them were all on Dempsey.

To answer a quote above about why would Dempsey stand on his opponent when the ball isn't close, I answer, why not?

Of all the teams in the afl, when we turn it over, which we do plenty of the time, the ball comes back in mighty fast. Dempsey is busy having a gander up the field and when the ball comes back the other way Dempsey is so far off his man. That is HIS fault. Every team turns it over, it is a part of football, you can't blame it on the turnover.

As I have said before, the good defenders, stick by their man and then zone to space. Dempsey zones the space and then runs back to his man.

I struggle to understand how you cannot understand that fundamental.

If all our players just stood next to their man and didn't run to create we'd lose every game by 100 points. It's a concept to difficult for you to understand because you are either playing under 12's football or have the mentality of a 12 year.

We are trying to play Dempsey the way Adelaide play Mcleod, the way the doggies play Gilbee, they way Collingwood plays Shaw, the way Geelong play Mackie and Wojak. These guys get better protection by teammates and a gameplan that doesn't crucify mistakes up the field.

We will get burned every now and then but we need to get him the right matchup and structure up so we can free him to run and create.

The kid has flaws but this is his second season of football after so many injuries and we need to let him get another season or two under his belt as he's one of the better players on our list.

If he was playing for Collingwood or Geelong this year people would be talking him up and saying what a star they've found.

His long distance kicking lately has been sublime.

 

[yaco55]

Re: Dropping Bachar

The rest of them were all on Dempsey.

To answer a quote above about why would Dempsey stand on his opponent when the ball isn't close, I answer, why not?

Of all the teams in the afl, when we turn it over, which we do plenty of the time, the ball comes back in mighty fast. Dempsey is busy having a gander up the field and when the ball comes back the other way Dempsey is so far off his man. That is HIS fault. Every team turns it over, it is a part of football, you can't blame it on the turnover.

As I have said before, the good defenders, stick by their man and then zone to space. Dempsey zones the space and then runs back to his man.

I struggle to understand how you cannot understand that fundamental.

No reaosn arguing a valid point.

After all premiership coaches, players, premiership captains have criticised Dempsey for not manning up his opponent.

Gee - What we they know !

Better that we concern ourselves with Dempsey's sublime kicking.

 

[Yoda_]

Re: Dropping Bachar

If all our players just stood next to their man and didn't run to create we'd lose every game by 100 points. It's a concept to difficult for you to understand because you are either playing under 12's football or have the mentality of a 12 year.

We are trying to play Dempsey the way Adelaide play Mcleod, the way the doggies play Gilbee, they way Collingwood plays Shaw, the way Geelong play Mackie and Wojak. These guys get better protection by teammates and a gameplan that doesn't crucify mistakes up the field.

We will get burned every now and then but we need to get him the right matchup and structure up so we can free him to run and create.

The kid has flaws but this is his second season of football after so many injuries and we need to let him get another season or two under his belt as he's one of the better players on our list.

If he was playing for Collingwood or Geelong this year people would be talking him up and saying what a star they've found.

His long distance kicking lately has been sublime.

WOW

well said Kelvin

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: Dropping Bachar

No reaosn arguing a valid point.

After all premiership coaches, players, premiership captains have criticised Dempsey for not manning up his opponent.

Gee - What we they know !

Better that we concern ourselves with Dempsey's sublime kicking.

By that logic, we shouldn't trade Stanton. Buckley had him just outside his top 10 midfielders.

 

[yaco55]

Re: Dropping Bachar

By that logic, we shouldn't trade Stanton. Buckley had him just outside his top 10 midfielders.

We are not talking about Stanton - And anyway he is no longer a midfielder.

As ANF06 said so eloquently - Is it so hard to understand the concept

- You start next to your man and then zone off when appropriate to help your team mates.

- You dont start in a zoning position and then try to get back to your man.

This is a fundamental that we all learn in Junior Footy.

 

[HighettBomber]

Re: Dropping Bachar

???

Because when the ball comes back it goes right over his head and into Garlett's arms you goose and Dempsey flails like a crazy person trying deperately to get into a position where he should have been in the first place. Is he scared of catching something if he stands within 2 metres?

Sorry, I should have realised you are a bit simple. When the ball is down the other end of the ground, it is generally not that difficult to make up 20m. Have a look at where Dustin Fletcher stands, its rarely next to his man when the ball is that far away, unless they are manning him up.

 

[stander]

Re: Dropping Bachar

Has the best kick in the team- had a better game then Zaharakis, Reimers, Dempsey to name a few. Melksham did nothing at VFL, Dyson not much better and Slattery- well Knights favourites get a game once again.

You cannot have double standards in a team where some players are given a whole season on bad form whilst others get dropped after one bad game. I will be laughing when he tears it up for his new club next year- then watch Knights go oh yeah we were stupid e.g. Barlow.

You must be feeling pretty stupid yourself given Houli has a knee problem. I guess that can happen when you get carried away, speculating aboard the Knights "bashwagon".

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: Dropping Bachar

You must be feeling pretty stupid yourself given Houli has a knee problem. I guess that can happen when you get carried away, speculating aboard the Knights "bashwagon".

Is that so?
Haven't been able to find anything, anywhere.

 

[stander]

Re: Dropping Bachar

Is that so?
Haven't been able to find anything, anywhere.

You need to be more alert in this cut throat environment- reputations are at stake.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/weekly.asp

 

[yaco55]

Strange that with media interest in Houli's plight that the club didn't state clearly that Houli was injured at selection.

The club causes unnecessary angst for themselves.

 

[whats_at_stake]

Strange that with media interest in Houli's plight that the club didn't state clearly that Houli was injured at selection.

The club causes unnecessary angst for themselves.

Houli was dropped- at least according to Knights selection video where he said both Houli and Prismall will go back to Bendigo to play good football.

 

[stander]

Houli was dropped- at least according to Knights selection video where he said both Houli and Prismall will go back to Bendigo to play good football.

Never give the opposition ammunition.

 

[yaco55]

Houli was dropped- at least according to Knights selection video where he said both Houli and Prismall will go back to Bendigo to play good football.

I am non the wiser, although Houli not playing for bendigo suggests he was injured.

 

[Tony Delaney]

Knights doesn't like left footers.