Merged Trade/Delistings threads - Part 2

[Yoda_]

Like Spangher alot from that list. Would be prepared to offer Lovett for him if that is what the Eagles were interested in. Still rather unproven, but they rate him highly being a springy, tall backman, and so do I. Plays like Scarlett I reckon, could be a good comparison. Held the WAFL's leading goalkicker last year (Brad Smith) to 2 goals, and is still quite thin, just needs another few years in the gym, a few more games and he'll be raring to go me thinks.

Agree, Spangher is a very likely type, but, as he is still young, the Eagles may ask for a little bit, although, if they are interested in Lovett, we may have the upper hand in terms of trading.

Knighter's youth policy would probably rule Presti, Thurstans and Carroll out.

If we could get one of them cheap, would you mind, Carrol and Thurstans are only 27-28, they may still have a good 3 - 4 years of AFL level playing in them, enough time to develop Pears/Hurley/??

Wilkes and Spangher are worth looking at. Agree.

I think we've gone after Goose unsuccessfully before. He is rather injury prone as well - not something we need any more of.
I was unaware of this, and as stated, he isnt really a KPP, rather a third tall, but can play KP, much like Thomas Murphy (Haw).

Mills is unproven, but may be able to be picked up on the cheap.

Mills apparently hasnt shown much of late, but did burst onto the scene in his early few games, is still only 21-22, could come rather cheap, and still has some development left in him,
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just some thoughts for people.

One player I keep raving on about is Alex Silvagni from Casey Scorpions, is a gun, only 20-21, has really been shining at FB for Casey, and is AFL ready maybe.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Pick 20 is still a great pick in this draft and this is the year to snare those crucial top 20 picks.

Would take pick 20 in a heartbeat for Lovett, 15-25 I reckon is his range. Big game player. Not sure they'd want another undiscipline player coming into their side though at the Weagles, Kerr on his own is causing a few headaches. Brisbane & Freo would be leading the pack at the moment I would think.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

Merv, was looking through some of the other lists, and here are a few players i would like your view on,

Wayde Mills (Bris) 195cm, 91kg, 21y.o, has been developed, wouldnt cost much for us to get him IMO, as they have their back 6 developing well together,

Simon Prestigiacomo (Coll) 193cm, 96kg, 30y.o, the pies may be looking to go for youth, is developed, can play, but is on the thinner side of his career.

Nathan Carrol (Melb) 191cm, 91kg, 28y.o, is a pretty solid performer, would not cost too much as the young demons are looking to rebuild their list, one that we could look at maybe Merv.

Toby Thurstans (Port) 196cm, 96kg, 28y.o, a key element of the P.A back 6, but may cost a little bit, is a really good solid player,

Matt Maguire (St.K) 190cm, 94kg, 25y.o, would be in the best 22 for the sts when fit, but we would be after KPP, and Maguire is more of a 3rd defender IMO,

Beau Wilkes (WCE) 194cm, 96kg, 22y.o, is really beggining to show something at AFL at FB, may have to give up something to get him though,

Matthew Spangher (WCE) 193cm, 90kg, 22y.o, is showing signs but is finding it a little hard to hold down a regular spot in the WCE lineup, although still young, may need to give up something to get him IMO,

their you go merv, a few players that we could maybe have a look at, think Carrol may be a good fit, a regular FB at the Demons, if they delist him, we could maybe give him a lifeline and use him until Pears/Hurley develop into our FB,

thoughts everyone.......

I think McGuire, might sadly be just about finished. Has never really recovered form that leg break. I hope for his sake I am wrong, but I don't think he is worth the chance. Any options have to be considered though. Spangher does sound ok though,

 

[Yoda_]

I think McGuire, might sadly be just about finished. Has never really recovered form that leg break. I hope for his sake I am wrong, but I don't think he is worth the chance. Any options have to be considered though. Spangher does sound ok though,

Agree on all fronts their BBH, any players from the WAFL that play down back KPP, that are worth looking at. would love an insight from the WAFL or even SANFL, AFLQ people,

 

[Ben the Gooner]

HFF, with Presti, Carroll, Thurstans, we tried a similar thing with Mal. While he didn't help for long on the field, he was very useful in Paddy's development. However, we have moved beyond that stage, and need to recruit for on-field success in a couple of years' time.

Mills would be worth looking at, possibly as a set of steak knives in the Rischitelli deal.

Lovett could be involved in a trade for Spangher or Wilkes.

As BBH said, Maguire is just too risky.

 

[Yoda_]

HFF, with Presti, Carroll, Thurstans, we tried a similar thing with Mal. While he didn't help for long on the field, he was very useful in Paddy's development. However, we have moved beyond that stage, and need to recruit for on-field success in a couple of years' time.

Mills would be worth looking at, possibly as a set of steak knives in the Rischitelli deal.

Lovett could be involved in a trade for Spangher or Wilkes.

As BBH said, Maguire is just too risky.

yes, but mal was what, 30 +, Thurstans and Carrol are still middle ages players, have to remebers that too though.

 

[Dick johnson]

I would love Hurley ahead of Rich, big call I no, but, look at the Judd saga, he came back to his home town, and we IMO, have enough midfield prospects coming through the ranks, some not as good as others.

true, but judd also wanted out of wc's dirty drug culture. although he denies it...its obvious he wanted did not want to be a part of it

 

[Dick johnson]

There is almost no chance of that happening. Would be lovely if it did but let's be realistic. Lovett for their 2nd rounder is fair on both parties. That is around his market value though I do think that his highest value would be around the pick 14-15 mark. Pick 20 is still a great pick in this draft and this is the year to snare those crucial top 20 picks.

Would Freo do Lovettfor Warnock. Perhaps we throw in a 3rd or 4th rounder too to get the deal across the line? Depends if we see Laycock as a future player for Essendon. Can't imagine he impressed the coaches too much and comments made about him were not that flattering. Wouldn't have done much for his confidence Id imagine.

maybe lovett and 5 for 2, without a 4th rounder or something, still worth it. cos wc will love a linebreaker like loveet, and would enjoy a top 5 pick...but the again...they seem to be pretty set on gettin rich...

warnock is melbourne bound, wants to be with his brother and melb hav already made a fair bit of interest in catching his attention. laycock should be gone anyway. bellchambers match against saints was pretty much as good as laycock has offered all year. woulndt mind picking up another ruckman if laycock went.
some ppl have mckernan all over the place....if he fell deep enough...?

 

[efcboy]

There are so many different scenarios.

I have to say i'm surprised at the lack of people interested in trading for a Key Defender.

Sure, many say let's pick one with pick 5 but we have another option, something like this.

Trade Lovett for a second round pick.

Trade that second round pick to Richmond for Luke McGuane.

Draft Ziebell or Hartlett with our first draft choice.

We gain a KP defender, we gain a top Midfield prospect and only lose Lovett who is on the way out if the rumours are true.

With McGuane you know he can play and would come in next year and play FB or CHB straight away.

Plus it is possible that Richmond would go for the trade as they have their tall defender needs covered.

tend to agree with this. we can more afford to spend a year or two developing a midfielder but can we afford that with a key defender. personally i don't think so - a 22/23yo defender from another club should be a priority (forget anyone over 27 - especially injured ones). luke mcguane would be a good pick, alipate carlile even better. if we traded lovett + pick 23 for carlile i think essendon would be well placed to recruit hartlett as port would then probably take hurley.

hamish hartlett will be a gun mid and alipate carlile a very good fullback - this would be a big win to essendon if port went for it.

 

[Merv]

tend to agree with this. we can more afford to spend a year or two developing a midfielder but can we afford that with a key defender. personally i don't think so - a 22/23yo defender from another club should be a priority (forget anyone over 27 - especially injured ones). luke mcguane would be a good pick, alipate carlile even better. if we traded lovett + pick 23 for carlile i think essendon would be well placed to recruit hartlett as port would then probably take hurley.

hamish hartlett will be a gun mid and alipate carlile a very good fullback - this would be a big win to essendon if port went for it.

The thing is you need to suggest trades that can actually happen.

Why would Port trade Carlile when they have no replacement?

It's realistic in his value, but then they have no FB.

It is also more expensive to us.

That's why i chose Richmond as they have 3 key talls and Rance in the seconds who was very close to a game this year.

That trade actually has a chance of happening.

 

[Merv]

Merv, was looking through some of the other lists, and here are a few players i would like your view on,

Wayde Mills (Bris) 195cm, 91kg, 21y.o, has been developed, wouldnt cost much for us to get him IMO, as they have their back 6 developing well together,

Simon Prestigiacomo (Coll) 193cm, 96kg, 30y.o, the pies may be looking to go for youth, is developed, can play, but is on the thinner side of his career.

Nathan Carrol (Melb) 191cm, 91kg, 28y.o, is a pretty solid performer, would not cost too much as the young demons are looking to rebuild their list, one that we could look at maybe Merv.

Toby Thurstans (Port) 196cm, 96kg, 28y.o, a key element of the P.A back 6, but may cost a little bit, is a really good solid player,

Matt Maguire (St.K) 190cm, 94kg, 25y.o, would be in the best 22 for the sts when fit, but we would be after KPP, and Maguire is more of a 3rd defender IMO,

Beau Wilkes (WCE) 194cm, 96kg, 22y.o, is really beggining to show something at AFL at FB, may have to give up something to get him though,

Matthew Spangher (WCE) 193cm, 90kg, 22y.o, is showing signs but is finding it a little hard to hold down a regular spot in the WCE lineup, although still young, may need to give up something to get him IMO,

their you go merv, a few players that we could maybe have a look at, think Carrol may be a good fit, a regular FB at the Demons, if they delist him, we could maybe give him a lifeline and use him until Pears/Hurley develop into our FB,

thoughts everyone.......

The others have summed up why the older ones are no good.

Spangher has jad a lot of injury problems to the best of my memory and i haven't seen enough of him to know if he could play FB, but i think he is more of a CHB type.

Haven't seen enough of Wilkes to make a judgment either.

 

[efcboy]

The thing is you need to suggest trades that can actually happen.

Why would Port trade Carlile when they have no replacement?

It's realistic in his value, but then they have no FB.

It is also more expensive to us.

That's why i chose Richmond as they have 3 key talls and Rance in the seconds who was very close to a game this year.

That trade actually has a chance of happening.

fair enough - i just want gold!

i'm not opposed to mcguane at all. the bleedingly obvious for everyone is that fletcher is on his last legs, ryder, pears both very young so a defender with close to 50 games at around age 22 would be a good addition.

in the midfield we have watson, mcveigh, stanton all with experience so we can afford to recruit a gun kid like hartlett and introduce them slowly.

gambling on hurley and being forced to introduce him before he's ready could be throwing lambs to the slaughter (see kepler bradley...)

 

[yaco55]

There is no problem with Hurley being thrown to the wolves.

He had been playing key back for 2 years in the under 18's.

I would imagine that Brisbane would be interested in Lovett, because they lack speed in the midfield. But I would only trade for a Draft Pick.

I would prefer that we draft young players and develop them in the next 2 or 3 years. EFC can then look at drafting recycled players to fill specific gaps.

 

[hulld]

Please do not get wayde mills. his skills are atrocious and this will ultimately mean that he will never cut it at the afl level. brisbane our worried that he has no future as was proven by the fact that when he rarely played he was used up forward and was told to handball at every opportunity

 

[Yoda_]

fair enough - i just want gold!

i'm not opposed to mcguane at all. the bleedingly obvious for everyone is that fletcher is on his last legs, ryder, pears both very young so a defender with close to 50 games at around age 22 would be a good addition.

in the midfield we have watson, mcveigh, stanton all with experience so we can afford to recruit a gun kid like hartlett and introduce them slowly.

gambling on hurley and being forced to introduce him before he's ready could be throwing lambs to the slaughter (see kepler bradley...)

People that think that one of the Richmond backs would be a good idea, I highly doubt they would let one of them go,

Kelvin Moore is only 189cm,
Luke McGuane is 192cm,
Will Thursfield is 191cm,
Alex Rance is 192cm, so they really only have the three tall backs, Thursfield doesnt play in the best forwards though, does he; thought he was the third tall defender,

 

[mick4]

Agree, Spangher is a very likely type, but, as he is still young, the Eagles may ask for a little bit, although, if they are interested in Lovett, we may have the upper hand in terms of trading.



just some thoughts for people.

One player I keep raving on about is Alex Silvagni from Casey Scorpions, is a gun, only 20-21, has really been shining at FB for Casey, and is AFL ready maybe.

What are your thoughts on Silvagni's team-mate form Casey James Wall. He is around the same age, he has spent time on an AFL list at Sydney and St Kilda though he was very skinny at the time he was drafted

 

[bomberandy]

I haven't read through anything on here so forgive me if this idea has already been brought up but I'd like to see us trade Lovett to Fremantle in exchange for Marcus Drum. What do you guys think?

 

[Merv]

People that think that one of the Richmond backs would be a good idea, I highly doubt they would let one of them go,

Kelvin Moore is only 189cm,
Luke McGuane is 192cm,
Will Thursfield is 191cm,
Alex Rance is 192cm, so they really only have the three tall backs, Thursfield doesnt play in the best forwards though, does he; thought he was the third tall defender,

Who do you expect to get a key defender from that has actually proven they can play, not just hope they can?

Thursfield plays on who ever is FF usually.

We have no chance of getting a defender from a club that only have 2 or maybe 3 whereas Richmond have 3 that are proven and 1 that is highly rated and will most likely play this year.

 

[darion]

Yes Alex Silvagni And James Wall were rated as the best defence in the VFL untill Silvagni was injured and out for three weeks. Both work well together and will line up against the Northern Bullants in the finals next Saturday against the Northern Bullants.

 

[Jono B]

Here is something left field but it could work. How about we downtrade our first pick in a similar manner as what Richmond did in 2006. Let's say we are keen on Trengove but we don't think that he will be picked by another club until pick 10. We could trade pick 5 for pick 10 and pick 28. Allowing us to pick up Trengove and 2 good midfield prospects. It is a risk but it could pay off.

 

[MilneyLoves2Snap]

LOL Lovett and a second round? Why? Lovett is older, more inconsistent and dumber. Throw up pick 5 and then we will talk

 

[go_the_bombers]

I haven't read through anything on here so forgive me if this idea has already been brought up but I'd like to see us trade Lovett to Fremantle in exchange for Marcus Drum. What do you guys think?

I'd love to get Marcus Drum but cant see Freo letting him go as they rate him highly

 

[The_Young_Gun]

LOL Lovett and a second round? Why? Lovett is older, more inconsistent and dumber. Throw up pick 5 and then we will talk

Come back Monday, once you've seen how sh1te St.Kilda really is...

Then We'll talk.

(Geelong by 150! BTW)

 

[mick4]

LOL Lovett and a second round? Why? Lovett is older, more inconsistent and dumber. Throw up pick 5 and then we will talk

Why don't you change your name to MilneyLoves2Swap?

 

[Yoda_]

What are your thoughts on Silvagni's team-mate form Casey James Wall. He is around the same age, he has spent time on an AFL list at Sydney and St Kilda though he was very skinny at the time he was drafted

He seems a very good solid player, have question marks over his disposal, as that can let him down in general play, that was the reason behind him not making it already in the AFL,

He is, 198cm, 90kg, and will be 23 in January, as mentioned, seems toi have a good set of hands, and is strong enough to play a KP at AFL level,

Alex Silvagni is 192cm, 92kg, is turning 22 next year, I would prefer him over Wall,

Lukas Markovic is a 193cm, 92kg, CHB at Box Hill, is only 21-22 y.o aswell, has shown some promise at CHB, not sure how he has gone this year, but could be a handy player maybe. played in the North V South (u23 game) i think.

Trent Shinners is another one, I cannot find any stats on him, but played in the north v south game,

Kris Shore is another who was selected in the initial squads for the u23 teams, he is another 192cm, 93kg, KPP,

Justin Hardy is another, is a 195cm, 95kg, FB from Tasmania, has held down the spot regulalrly this season,

Simon Plummer also from Tasmania, is another KPP CHB, 194cm, 87kg, 20y.o, has a nice frame, could use a little more muscle to his frame,

are their any other young KPP in the VFL that could we look at for our list,

their are a few young players, have not gone through all of them, but some that may be a look in, of the players mentioned, Silvagni would be ideal, then Wall, although young Plummer from Tasmania seems a likely type.