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Re: Where to now for Rama?
Pev's a tough, in and under, EXPERIENCED midfielder. We need at least one on our list.
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Re: Where to now for Rama?
. Watson and Stanton are also becoming our senior, more experienced midfielders.
McVeigh and Welsh do alright
. Watson and Stanton are also becoming our senior, more experienced midfielders.
Re: Where to now for Rama?
Pev was interviewed on MMM, and just about conceeded he will be delisted. Maybe he was just being a pesimist, but he didn't sound too positive about his own future.
Pev was interviewed on MMM, and just about conceeded he will be delisted. Maybe he was just being a pesimist, but he didn't sound too positive about his own future.
ManWithNoName
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Re: Where to now for Rama?
I'd still prefer to keep Peverill. We need that experienced body in there.McVeigh and Welsh do alright
Re: Where to now for Rama?
will see rama slot into a assistant role of one sort or another next season, still closely associated with the players so all will be good, hes spent a fair bit of time in the coaches box whist getting himself right so could be a coach in waiting.
unfort for pev, he could win us the game against the saint to get us 8th spot & will still find himself clubless in 2009, pity but jj & pev , maybe mal, wont be back
will see rama slot into a assistant role of one sort or another next season, still closely associated with the players so all will be good, hes spent a fair bit of time in the coaches box whist getting himself right so could be a coach in waiting.
unfort for pev, he could win us the game against the saint to get us 8th spot & will still find himself clubless in 2009, pity but jj & pev , maybe mal, wont be back
Re: Where to now for Rama?
And who do you replace them with if they are injured?
Pev shoudl be ketp fo depth.
Rama has done so well to get back, better than I thought he would be able to do and it is a massive credit to him. However, despite his known skill, he just does not contribute, and to those who say we need him as we are short on backpockets - you have answered why he should go - he has always been an average back pocket - his position was and is the wing where we use his creativity and polish. If he can't play there.....
Back pockets we can play there in no particular order -
Slattery, Nash, Lovett, Houli, Winderdud, Dempsey, NLM, Fletch, Remiers, Myers, Atkinson.......
We have enough players to fill the role.
McVeigh and Welsh do alright
And who do you replace them with if they are injured?
Pev shoudl be ketp fo depth.
Rama has done so well to get back, better than I thought he would be able to do and it is a massive credit to him. However, despite his known skill, he just does not contribute, and to those who say we need him as we are short on backpockets - you have answered why he should go - he has always been an average back pocket - his position was and is the wing where we use his creativity and polish. If he can't play there.....
Back pockets we can play there in no particular order -
Slattery, Nash, Lovett, Houli, Winderdud, Dempsey, NLM, Fletch, Remiers, Myers, Atkinson.......
We have enough players to fill the role.
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What do you guys think of Jonathan Brown as potential player for us?
He is only 26 and could be a great for our forward line strength. That makes him roughly the same age as McVeigh.. Welsh.. McPhee and Hille.
He is only 26 and could be a great for our forward line strength. That makes him roughly the same age as McVeigh.. Welsh.. McPhee and Hille.
Re: Where to now for Rama?
Lonergan, Hislop, Hocking ring a bell? Myers also has the ability to play that role and I'm guessing he'll start getting more time in the centre square next year. Slattery can also be thrown in there.
I'm not sold on Hocking but Knights tends to think he's a part of our best 22.
It's a little unfair on Pev and the way the AFL is at the moment as he probably deserves to be on a list next year.
Lonergan, Hislop, Hocking ring a bell? Myers also has the ability to play that role and I'm guessing he'll start getting more time in the centre square next year. Slattery can also be thrown in there.
I'm not sold on Hocking but Knights tends to think he's a part of our best 22.
It's a little unfair on Pev and the way the AFL is at the moment as he probably deserves to be on a list next year.
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Re: Where to now for Rama?
Combined have played about 20 games. 15 of which are Lonergans.
Re: Where to now for Rama?
And how are they supposed to get games under their belts if Pev is in the way?
Lonergan got his chance this year and has taken a spot in the 22.
I'd expect Hislop or Hocking to do something similar next year.
And how are they supposed to get games under their belts if Pev is in the way?
Lonergan got his chance this year and has taken a spot in the 22.
I'd expect Hislop or Hocking to do something similar next year.
Re: Where to now for Rama?
If Pev is in their way, that is because he has earned it. They will need to earn their spots also, you don't just give a guy a game because he is younger,
If Pev is in their way, that is because he has earned it. They will need to earn their spots also, you don't just give a guy a game because he is younger,
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Re: Where to now for Rama?
Retirement is where Rama should be heading. Sadly he is passed it. Peverill should join him. The likes of Hislop and Hocking will have their development stalled if Peverill is in the team. Ppev has been serviceable since returning but I am not convinced that we should keep him next year.
Retirement is where Rama should be heading. Sadly he is passed it. Peverill should join him. The likes of Hislop and Hocking will have their development stalled if Peverill is in the team. Ppev has been serviceable since returning but I am not convinced that we should keep him next year.
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All well and good EXCEPT the fact he'd cost 1.5 million a year and we'd have to give up so many of our picks and youngsters to get him. I don't want Brown!
Re: Where to now for Rama?
If that's the case then Lonergan would barely have played a game this year as JJ and Pev would have been in front of him.
Sometimes you have to make calculated decisions on who you play and don't for the short and long term.
We have to get games into the likes of Hislop, Hocking and Myers and unfortunately Pev has to make way. Our ability to win a game will have no impact on whether it's Pev, Hislop, Hocking or Myers.
If that's the case then Lonergan would barely have played a game this year as JJ and Pev would have been in front of him.
Sometimes you have to make calculated decisions on who you play and don't for the short and long term.
We have to get games into the likes of Hislop, Hocking and Myers and unfortunately Pev has to make way. Our ability to win a game will have no impact on whether it's Pev, Hislop, Hocking or Myers.
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Re: Where to now for Rama?
Dont like the depth argument. If you are a contender for the top 4 then chances are you have not had too many injuries and have been able to slip in a young bloke here and there to cover. Sides that have had injuries to 3 or more senior players and have had to cover them generally are not in the hunt in the last two weeks of the season.
If you get a lot of injuries then most of the time your year is a bit of a wipe out so you get the experience into the young players. Keeping players on the list at the end of their careers just in case you get some injuries is a backwards move. Every year you have to keep the faith with your system and back a couple of the young kids to step up to the plate if you need them to. Your depth should be made up of second to fourth year players with something to prove.
Dont like the depth argument. If you are a contender for the top 4 then chances are you have not had too many injuries and have been able to slip in a young bloke here and there to cover. Sides that have had injuries to 3 or more senior players and have had to cover them generally are not in the hunt in the last two weeks of the season.
If you get a lot of injuries then most of the time your year is a bit of a wipe out so you get the experience into the young players. Keeping players on the list at the end of their careers just in case you get some injuries is a backwards move. Every year you have to keep the faith with your system and back a couple of the young kids to step up to the plate if you need them to. Your depth should be made up of second to fourth year players with something to prove.
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Re: Where to now for Rama?
Yes but Pev is only in the side at the moment becasue McVeigh,Winderlich,Demspey and Houli have been injured. When these blokes have been fit and playing Pev was not in the picture.
Yes but Pev is only in the side at the moment becasue McVeigh,Winderlich,Demspey and Houli have been injured. When these blokes have been fit and playing Pev was not in the picture.
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Does Pev deserve to stay on?
OK, so article in the herald sun today about Peverill's recent form and desire to play on next year.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24122700-19764,00.html
In my opinion, I think he should get 1 more contract. His form over the last month or so has been wicked and he's in and under, grunty style of footy has been good for the likes of Lonergan, Jobe and even Dyson. He offers experience to the youngsters who need leaders like him around. Pev was called back into the team against Freo and has not had a bad game yet, has been consistent and given 110% each week, it's a shame JJ hasn't had the same opportunity.
Anyway, what do you guys think? I know the general consensus amongst us is to go with youth.... but don't you think out kids also need senior experienced players like Pev?
OK, so article in the herald sun today about Peverill's recent form and desire to play on next year.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24122700-19764,00.html
In my opinion, I think he should get 1 more contract. His form over the last month or so has been wicked and he's in and under, grunty style of footy has been good for the likes of Lonergan, Jobe and even Dyson. He offers experience to the youngsters who need leaders like him around. Pev was called back into the team against Freo and has not had a bad game yet, has been consistent and given 110% each week, it's a shame JJ hasn't had the same opportunity.
Anyway, what do you guys think? I know the general consensus amongst us is to go with youth.... but don't you think out kids also need senior experienced players like Pev?
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Re: Does Pev deserve to stay on?
While he has been great in the past month, I can't see him getting a spot once McVeigh, Houli, Dempsey return to the midfield. I have no problems keeping him as a backup midfielder, but not for a spot in the best 22.
We need to delist around 5 players
Lee
Johns
JJ
Michael
that leaves Rama or Pev, if Rama retires then Pev could be saved if not it's a tough decision for Knighter. Pev deserves his spot over Rama on form, but if Rama gets another pre-season under his belt we could see him back to his best, which is by far better than Pev's best.
While he has been great in the past month, I can't see him getting a spot once McVeigh, Houli, Dempsey return to the midfield. I have no problems keeping him as a backup midfielder, but not for a spot in the best 22.
We need to delist around 5 players
Lee
Johns
JJ
Michael
that leaves Rama or Pev, if Rama retires then Pev could be saved if not it's a tough decision for Knighter. Pev deserves his spot over Rama on form, but if Rama gets another pre-season under his belt we could see him back to his best, which is by far better than Pev's best.
Re: Does Pev deserve to stay on?
I agree with what you say but relying on ifs and maybes is not the best way to go IMO.
Pev if retained will be a depth player - would hate to see him axed on the back of really good form. What kind of a message does it send - doesn't matter how well you play if you're old - you're out. If you're young - you cna be crap but we'll keep you.
If his form were crap hwoever, it would be a different story.
Out of curiosity - how is Williams going as he could be the one to be given the chop given we got him pre-season - perhaps rookie-ing him is the way to go?
I agree with what you say but relying on ifs and maybes is not the best way to go IMO.
Pev if retained will be a depth player - would hate to see him axed on the back of really good form. What kind of a message does it send - doesn't matter how well you play if you're old - you're out. If you're young - you cna be crap but we'll keep you.
If his form were crap hwoever, it would be a different story.
Out of curiosity - how is Williams going as he could be the one to be given the chop given we got him pre-season - perhaps rookie-ing him is the way to go?
Re: Where to now for Rama?
Can't see what young players get out of seniors if
A) they are underserving and
B) they have no senior players to help them out as they are all injured.
Had Pev not played against Melb we would have lost - why because he provided leadership in the last when it was needed - thats wwhat experienced blokes give you.
No coincidence we got thrashed when most of our senior players were out - not beaten but thrashed.
Can't see what young players get out of seniors if
A) they are underserving and
B) they have no senior players to help them out as they are all injured.
Had Pev not played against Melb we would have lost - why because he provided leadership in the last when it was needed - thats wwhat experienced blokes give you.
No coincidence we got thrashed when most of our senior players were out - not beaten but thrashed.
Re: Does Pev deserve to stay on?
So you want to keep Pev for depth yet delist Michael in an area where we lack the greatest depth?
His form has been ok and apart from the really good game on the weekend it hasn't been anything special. His first few games were terrible.
Welsh and Lonergan stepping up into the middle makes him basically redundant next year unless you think he's better value than both of those guys.
So you want to keep Pev for depth yet delist Michael in an area where we lack the greatest depth?
His form has been ok and apart from the really good game on the weekend it hasn't been anything special. His first few games were terrible.
Welsh and Lonergan stepping up into the middle makes him basically redundant next year unless you think he's better value than both of those guys.
LukeParkerno1
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Re: Does Pev deserve to stay on?
50/50 on Pev. We do need to get some games into Hislop and Hocking. Now whilst Pev has done a job, next year is the time where I want a younger brigade of real inside mids. If Pev is just going to be kept for depth, there is no point. Maybe try and trade him (even a upgrade of our last pick)
Delist
Johns
JJ
Michael
Pev
Lee
Trade
Nash
Lovett (*)
*=I don't want to trade him but I would not be against putting him on the table.
50/50 on Pev. We do need to get some games into Hislop and Hocking. Now whilst Pev has done a job, next year is the time where I want a younger brigade of real inside mids. If Pev is just going to be kept for depth, there is no point. Maybe try and trade him (even a upgrade of our last pick)
Delist
Johns
JJ
Michael
Pev
Lee
Trade
Nash
Lovett (*)
*=I don't want to trade him but I would not be against putting him on the table.
ant555
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Re: Where to now for Rama?
FFS i give up.
Where do i say we just play young blokes even if they dont deserve a game.
Next year we will still have McVeigh,Watson,Stanton,Welsh,Lonergan (who has not needed expereinced players around). We will hopefully get Winderlich back for more than 15 games and Houli is a third year player will be on the verge ofhelping lead the way as well. Are any of the players i have mentioned not desreving of a game in front of Peverill ? The you have Reimers whohas come on in leaps and bounds this year.
When we talk about next year a number of the young players take another step.Another year in the system, better fitness base and a better understanding of the game.
You do not go into a season an plan for injuries to 4 of your most senior players at the same time. Pev gets a gig next year if he is considered in the best 25 , otherwise he is expendable.
FFS i give up.
Where do i say we just play young blokes even if they dont deserve a game.
Next year we will still have McVeigh,Watson,Stanton,Welsh,Lonergan (who has not needed expereinced players around). We will hopefully get Winderlich back for more than 15 games and Houli is a third year player will be on the verge ofhelping lead the way as well. Are any of the players i have mentioned not desreving of a game in front of Peverill ? The you have Reimers whohas come on in leaps and bounds this year.
When we talk about next year a number of the young players take another step.Another year in the system, better fitness base and a better understanding of the game.
You do not go into a season an plan for injuries to 4 of your most senior players at the same time. Pev gets a gig next year if he is considered in the best 25 , otherwise he is expendable.
Re: Where to now for Rama?
Before anyone says it. No to Didak.
Before anyone says it. No to Didak.
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