Merged Trade/Delistings threads

[Shane Hird]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

First of all let me say that is it about time the EFC realised that the quality on this list is inferior to the majority of sides in the AFL and that the time has come to inject some A-Grade talent for the long term.
Harry Hindsight suggests the Hawthorn model is the way to go and for EFC the similarities to where the hawks were in 2004 is amazing. All our best players were the wrong side of 28 and if the club was to contend some painful decisions had to be made. The club did this in two ways. Draft the best KPP in the land over more than one draft. It is a little known fact that the hawks drafted Dowler in 2005 and Thorp in 2006 as KPP players. Secondly, they traded good players for more picks that they were able to use to pick up “soldiers” or mid-field types like Lewis, Birchall and Ellis. The trick for you guys is too find the real value on your list that can be traded to other clubs for the long term. The type of players that should be traded are those that are past there best or not likely to improve. Prime candidates are McPhee, Hille, Laycock, Welsh, McVeigh, Lovett, Lovett-Murray, Nash, Watson and Johns. The best window for these trades may be when the new Gold Coast team comes in. You may need to give up 3 of these for a Top 10 pick.
They key is not too fall into the trap of over-rating your list. It is the club you follow; the players are only pawns that represent the club at any point in time.

Exactly.

Lucky for us,we have loads of 'underdeveloped' talent for other clubs to look at and strike a trade deal.

Someone like Wosha could look at a Nash or Slattery and think.."I know how to make this player better. He could be improved by my coaching style."

 

[jiphoc]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

How so?

I highly doubt Knights would be interested, so please assure me why he would take him "without a doubt"...

Because Cousins would walk into the side and easily be your best player. He would give your forwards more opportunity to develop and will free up some players in your extremely young midfield to play without a heavy tag. That is all on field as well. Off field he would be an even bigger asset because of his immense experience would be a great for a young side. Without players in your side like him while you are rebuilding then you will never in the not so distant future be a premiership side.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Haha top 5 pick for Lucas in whats being called a great draft?!?! Your dreaming
Has 2 good years left at most

Good chance of a good 10 year 200+ gamer for someone who will give you 2 good years then retire? There is so much bias in this thread its not funny

Take your blinkers off

If your looking to trade a player you are going to get under market value as you are "seeking" a trade

Put this thread on the main board and mention the names you have been and it will get torn apart

 

[Merv]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Because Cousins would walk into the side and easily be your best player. He would give your forwards more opportunity to develop and will free up some players in your extremely young midfield to play without a heavy tag. That is all on field as well. Off field he would be an even bigger asset because of his immense experience would be a great for a young side. Without players in your side like him while you are rebuilding then you will never in the not so distant future be a premiership side.

I don't totally disagree with that, but he wouldn't be our nest player of course but you said you can "assure me", "without doubt" we would take him if he was available.

You haven't done that.

In fact Knights has stated his intention to get as many young players on the list as possible and while not disregarding a mature player, it is not the way he wants to go.

What happens if a disgruntled young promising player is in the pre season draft next year?

There is more doubt than surety.

 

[bomba4eva]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Pass.

Too old and I dont want him destroying the kids futures by introducing them to one of his favourite hobbies. Steer clear of him, because all he will bring is trouble.

 

[yaco55]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Why isn't there more discussion about trading a like player for a like player as a direct swap.

EFC could swap Stanton ( an outside mid ) for an inside mid with a similar history.

In this way both teams could win.

 

[Schmick]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

My list of untouchables would be:

Davey

Dempsey

Gumbleton

Hille

Hislop

Hocking

Houli

Jetta

Lonergan

McVeigh

Myers

Neagle

Pears

Reimers

Paddy

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

My list of untouchables would be:

Davey

Dempsey

Gumbleton

Hille

Hislop

Hocking

Houli

Jetta

Lonergan

McVeigh

Myers

Neagle

Pears

Reimers

Paddy

You have to give a little to get a little

For the players you havnt listed you will be lucky to get a 3rd round, most of them you will be getting a late 3rd or early 4th round

 

[Schmick]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

You have to give a little to get a little

For the players you havnt listed you will be lucky to get a 3rd round, most of them you will be getting a late 3rd or early 4th round

The players I listed as "untouchable" and are our future, what's the point of trading players if there's nothing wrong with them and will possibly take you to your next premiership?

Surely Lovett, McPhee, Winderlich, Watson, Welsh, Laycock, Monfries, Nash could attract a 2nd rounder or more?

 

[Schmick]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

First of all let me say that is it about time the EFC realised that the quality on this list is inferior to the majority of sides in the AFL and that the time has come to inject some A-Grade talent for the long term.
Harry Hindsight suggests the Hawthorn model is the way to go and for EFC the similarities to where the hawks were in 2004 is amazing. All our best players were the wrong side of 28 and if the club was to contend some painful decisions had to be made. The club did this in two ways. Draft the best KPP in the land over more than one draft. It is a little known fact that the hawks drafted Dowler in 2005 and Thorp in 2006 as KPP players. Secondly, they traded good players for more picks that they were able to use to pick up “soldiers” or mid-field types like Lewis, Birchall and Ellis. The trick for you guys is too find the real value on your list that can be traded to other clubs for the long term. The type of players that should be traded are those that are past there best or not likely to improve. Prime candidates are McPhee, Hille, Laycock, Welsh, McVeigh, Lovett, Lovett-Murray, Nash, Watson and Johns. The best window for these trades may be when the new Gold Coast team comes in. You may need to give up 3 of these for a Top 10 pick.
They key is not too fall into the trap of over-rating your list. It is the club you follow; the players are only pawns that represent the club at any point in time.

Exactly, and hopefully Knights does this at the end of the year, and the next when the Gold Coast team come into play.

I can't say that trading McVeigh would be a good idea though, he's just starting to become a very good midfielder for us and will most likely get even better, the heart and soul of the club and is arguably the best leader at the club, so I definately don't want to see us trading him away.

 

[jiphoc]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

I don't totally disagree with that, but he wouldn't be our nest player of course but you said you can "assure me", "without doubt" we would take him if he was available.

You haven't done that.

In fact Knights has stated his intention to get as many young players on the list as possible and while not disregarding a mature player, it is not the way he wants to go.

What happens if a disgruntled young promising player is in the pre season draft next year?

There is more doubt than surety.

I take back the "assure me" and "without doubt” comment as it has been pointed out to me, was inappropriate.

I guess then you have to way up the 2 options. In one corner you have a young player with huge question marks over his future abilities like with all young players but int he other corner you have what was and I am sure will be again one of the best midfielders in the league which Essendon need. Rebuilding is alright and a good thing to do, however I think that you need to be careful on how you rebuild and by getting cousin's would be a perfect start for Essendon.

One thing which would be interesting would be if Cousin's would get more membership for the club. I would feel that it would and will more then likely make Essendon money by having him. Similarly to the way Judd and Buddy do for their respective teams, of course to a lesser extent.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

The players I listed as "untouchable" and are our future, what's the point of trading players if there's nothing wrong with them and will possibly take you to your next premiership?

Exactly
Although, since there's 53 (at last count) "WE NEED TO TRADE" threads on bigfooty, clearly they are right & I'm wrong

The only guys we would trade are guys on the wrong side of 25. We have none who would be worth anything. I highly doubt we'll trade, unless someone makes a really good offer to us

 

[Burzum]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Pass.

Too old and I dont want him destroying the kids futures by introducing them to one of his favourite hobbies. Steer clear of him, because all he will bring is trouble.

These guys should be smart enough to know not to attempt heavy drugs, with or without peer pressure. Saying that he can introduce them to his addiction is BS.

 

[The Donners]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

The players I listed as "untouchable" and are our future, what's the point of trading players if there's nothing wrong with them and will possibly take you to your next premiership?

Surely Lovett, McPhee, Winderlich, Watson, Welsh, Laycock, Monfries, Nash could attract a 2nd rounder or more?

Lovett would probably be the only 2nd round pick possibility, Mcphee if the club interested is desperate for him- I can't see that happening with only a couple of peak years left. The others, barring Watson at 3rd round, would be lucky to be early 4th. With the 2 new clubs coming into the competition, draft picks will be like gold over the next 3 or so years.

 

[Schmick]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Lovett would probably be the only 2nd round pick possibility, Mcphee if the club interested is desperate for him- I can't see that happening with only a couple of peak years left. The others, barring Watson at 3rd round, would be lucky to be early 4th. With the 2 new clubs coming into the competition, draft picks will be like gold over the next 3 or so years.

Watson 3rd rounder? I think not, he's a clearance machine, would be an absolute gun in a great side like the Hawks, Cats ect and im pretty sure he'd easily get a 2nd rounder along with Winderlich and Lovett, I also left out Stanton, who would easily get a 2nd rounder aswell, if not late 1st rounder.

 

[gandaal]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Just out of curiosity, what would you want for Jason Winderlich?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Just out of curiosity, what would you want for Jason Winderlich?

First rounder.

 

[gandaal]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

First rounder.

Then you'll enjoy his company for many many years.

 

[warney7]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Untouchables

Lucas -Although in this instance they're probably not worth mentioning
Fletcher
McVeigh
Davey
Ryder
Hille
Houli

That's about it really.

 

[Merv]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

First rounder.

lol, get real Kelvin.

You may WANT a first rounder but he isn't worth one nor would we get one for him.

 

[Shane Hird]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Untouchables

Lucas -Although in this instance they're probably not worth mentioning
Fletcher
McVeigh
Davey
Ryder
Hille
Houli

That's about it really.

Players we wouldn't even consider putting up for trade including your picks have to include almost all the under 22s.

Neagle,Jetta,Dempsey,Pears,Myers,Daniher,Reimers,Lonergan and Hooker are not going anywhere.

Gumbleton,Hocking,Lee and Hislop we would rather see stay at the club and continue their development but any could be used in a deal involving players like Nash,Johns,Winderlich,Dyson,Watson,Monfries,Slattery,NLM and McPhee.

Laycock and Hille will get better. There's no superstar ruckman running around who want to traded by their club anyway,so we are stuck with them. I'm confident they will turn out alright though.

Rama,Pev,JJ,Mal and Welsh....their fate is in their own hands during the rest of the season.

I repeat...we need to trade for an experienced midfielder-ruckrover type.


Stanton is 'untouchable' atm. But i say that with gritted teeth and fingers crossed. My mind could change at about rd 20....

 

[The Donners]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

Watson 3rd rounder? I think not, he's a clearance machine, would be an absolute gun in a great side like the Hawks, Cats ect and im pretty sure he'd easily get a 2nd rounder along with Winderlich and Lovett, I also left out Stanton, who would easily get a 2nd rounder aswell, if not late 1st rounder.

You are overrating the players, Watson wouldn't get into the Hawthorn or Geelong midfields as he is both a clearance machine and a turnover king.

As for Winderlich and Stanton, you are dreaming. What club would give up a 2nd round pick for either of them?

 

[dave_27]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

You are overrating the players, Watson wouldn't get into the Hawthorn or Geelong midfields as he is both a clearance machine and a turnover king.

As for Winderlich and Stanton, you are dreaming. What club would give up a 2nd round pick for either of them?

I would GUARANTEE everyclub would offer a 2nd round pick for Stanton.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

You are overrating the players, Watson wouldn't get into the Hawthorn or Geelong midfields as he is both a clearance machine and a turnover king.

Could not disagree any stronger, most in and under players are turnover kings (Watson still averages about 80% effectiveness, taking into account alot of handballs), Watson is in the top handful of players in the competition at this role, if we had some skilled outside mids he wouldn't look so exposed when we turn the ball over.

 

[ant555]

Re: The absolute untouchables at EFC who you wouldn't dream of using in a trade deal come years end.

You are overrating the players, Watson wouldn't get into the Hawthorn or Geelong midfields as he is both a clearance machine and a turnover king.

As for Winderlich and Stanton, you are dreaming. What club would give up a 2nd round pick for either of them?

Someone would jump at the chance of getting Stanton for a second rounder . I am not a Stanton fan but he does have trade value.
It may be a stretch as far as Winderlich goes.