Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[Dogs_R_Us]

LOL. Given your history you'd whinge and complain and feel horribly victimised. You'd cancel the new date, which of course would be your right

Thanks, yes, I’d just celebrate on the 26th, like most other people would

Hey, today is Federation Day, should we have Australia Month?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

For 12 hours, from what I saw.

Nevertheless, it showed his commitment to free speech to be predictably selective. Always the way unfortunately.

Also, I'm curious as to what she said, haven't seen her post myself.

I don't know; I don't follow either of them.

 

[bzparkes]

That's not a fact. I mean, look at what happened to people who opposed the Bush-devised action in the middle east.

For your mention of Musk, he's literally shadow banned words he doesn't like and bans accounts who criticise him.

Sure, but Twitter was way worse in regards to censorship and bans before he took it over.

BlueSky currently is what Twitter used to be. A left-wing echo-chamber, where dissenting opinions were silenced.

 

[bzparkes]

Nevertheless, it showed his commitment to free speech to be predictably selective. Always the way unfortunately.

I don't know; I don't follow either of them.

There's giving a 12 hour suspension and there's running people off the platform altogether, as used to happen regularly on the old Twitter.

Also, if she's done something that's broken the terms of use for the platform, then that has nothing to do with 'free speech'. Bringing it up as some kind of point, as well as acknowledging you don't even know what she posted, is bizarre to say the least.

 

[Grin]

....there's running people off the platform altogether, as used to happen regularly on the old Twitter.

For repeatedly posting misinformation or inciting violence.

 

[.Shotties.]

Sure

So people being banned on blue sky is censorship, but the owner of a social media site banning people who criticise him or his actions and shadowbanning words like "cis" is... What exactly?

 

[bzparkes]

For repeatedly posting misinformation or inciting violence.

Which the left frequently does.

Also, who decides what is 'disinformation' exactly?

Now that there's community notes instead, it's quite easy to just let these people out themselves publicly.

 

[bzparkes]

So people being banned on blue sky is censorship, but the owner of a social media site banning people who criticise him or his actions and shadowbanning words like "cis" is... What exactly?

Bluesky is where all the fragile people who can't deal with opposing opinions fled to to have their thoughts validated in their own echo-chamber. Same as ResetEra/Reddit.

Or Truth social, if you want to pick one from the right.

As those sites are knowingly supported by people from the side of politics they pander to, people know what they're getting into, mostly.

Twitter has supposedly stationed itself as the go to site for opinions, events as they happen, etc.

Since Musk's takeover, people feel less threatened to share viewpoints that don't appease the far-left, as used to happen on Twitter, because they are no longer silenced/punished for it, as happened under the previous ownership.

 

[.Shotties.]

Since Musk's takeover, people feel less threatened to share viewpoints that don't appease the far-left, as used to happen on Twitter, because they are no longer silenced/punished for it, as happened under the previous ownership.

Like what? What viewpoints are people more open to sharing now?

But again, people are banned for criticising Musk and certain key words that Musk doesn't like (not racist slurs though) result in immediate post deletion or suppression. How is this NOT censorship in your mind? Third time asking.

 

[H00t]

Bluesky is where all the fragile people who can't deal with opposing opinions fled to to have their thoughts validated in their own echo-chamber. Same as ResetEra/Reddit.

Or Truth social, if you want to pick one from the right.

As those sites are knowingly supported by people from the side of politics they pander to, people know what they're getting into, mostly.

Twitter has supposedly stationed itself as the go to site for opinions, events as they happen, etc.

Since Musk's takeover, people feel less threatened to share viewpoints that don't appease the far-left, as used to happen on Twitter, because they are no longer silenced/punished for it, as happened under the previous ownership.

The right (both far and not) have been against LGBT, people of difference races, religions etc. since the dawn of time.

The term “woke” being used is new but it’s been going on since long before that.

Free speech has never been about protecting people spewing hatred towards their fellow men and women. It was always about protecting people from government overreach.

The lefts use of free speech is consistent. People are free to be themselves up until the start trying to encroach on other people.

The right is all about forcing other people to bend to their will then cracking it when they can’t just punch down on other people with impunity.

 

[bzparkes]

Like what? What viewpoints are people more open to sharing now?

People who don't think transwomen should play women's sports, for starters, or that 'gender' ideology shouldn't be taught to primary school kids.

Whether you agree with the premise of it or not, having an open discussion is the best way to foster understanding from each side. Having a robust discussion on topics such as these weren't possible on the old Twitter, yet people now seem happy to voice their opinions on these divisive topics now, because they won't get banned/cancelled for doing so.

Try that on Reddit, for instance, and you'll be insta-banned for even asking legitimate questions.

But again, people are banned for criticising Musk and certain key words that Musk doesn't like (not racist slurs though) result in immediate post deletion or suppression. How is this NOT censorship in your mind? Third time asking.

Show me the posts you are claiming to be censored then and I'll give you my opinion. I can't comment on posts I haven't seen, can I?

 

[bzparkes]

The right (both far and not) have been against LGBT, people of difference races, religions etc. since the dawn of time.

Not everyone. Certainly the religious types will but they've been becoming more and more moderate as the years have gone by.

A gay man delivered Pennsylvania to Trump by how hard he campaigned for him pre-election, for instance.

Now is that the 'right' becoming more tolerant, or is the left moving even further in that direction, thus people who would've been considered centre, or even moderate left before are now suddenly 'right'.

A good example of this would be Joe Rogan. Do you think he is right wing?

The term “woke” being used is new but it’s been going on since long before that.

Can anyone really define 'Woke' anyway?

Free speech has never been about protecting people spewing hatred towards their fellow men and women. It was always about protecting people from government overreach.

People should be able to speak their minds and yes, even if that includes 'hatred'. It's a great way of outing people who don't understand what free speech truly means which is, as you say, protection from government overreach.

If people want to say hateful things on social media, for example, and they lose their job because of it, that's on them and no amount of crying about 'free speech' will save you from those kind of consequences. The issue arises is that if you're on the left, you can pretty much run around saying shit like 'All cis white men must die', or 'I only hire PoC', etc and nothing will come of it, yet you then have the Gina Carano fiasco(amongst others) where if you speak your mind and it doesn't suit the political narrative, you're doomed.

Now you might say that she's breached her terms of employment, and maybe that was the case, however contrast this with Rachel Zegler(who's a complete psycho)who has been allowed to keep her role and get others, despite saying far worse things than Carano ever did.

For most people, it's about the injustice of one side seemingly having free reign to voice their opinions on social media and in the general public, yet any counter to that is cancelled, censored and/or silenced. For people who this subject matters to, it simply appears as an injustice and unfair to their side, which is why they get so upset over it.

The lefts use of free speech is consistent. People are free to be themselves up until the start trying to encroach on other people.

The left would censor anything that doesn't support their stance. They're very in favour of censorship. Considering how much they try to ram their opinions down people's throats and tell them they must act a certain way, I'm surprised you'd say this.

The right is all about forcing other people to bend to their will then cracking it when they can’t just punch down on other people with impunity.

Whilst it's true that there's a small minority of people that would attempt to bend people to their will, that happens on both sides and is in no means exclusive to the right.

The USA, as an example, just had a decade+ of identity politics rammed down their throats and discriminatory hiring practices and student approvals designed to discriminate against certain groups and if you questioned it, you were a bigot.

Also, just look at people getting arrested and doing gaol time for posting 'offensive' memes in England.

Just letting you know that it wasn't the 'right' enacting all these discriminatory practices.

There's plenty wrong with the right, as there is the left, no doubt, but those last 2 quotes above reek of severe gaslighting the left has done for the past decade and describes their political ambitions very aptly.

Whether we like it or not, people who've had to keep their mouths just and have been afraid to voice their opinions are now going to do so loudly, now that they feel more emboldened, and they're going to attempt to do what they felt was done to them.

I'm not saying any of this is the correct thing to do by the way, just what the overall sentiment is.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Also, if she's done something that's broken the terms of use for the platform, then that has nothing to do with 'free speech'. Bringing it up as some kind of point, as well as acknowledging you don't even know what she posted, is bizarre to say the least.

Well looks like “breaking the terms of use” includes upsetting Elon Musk

MAGA in Total Mayhem as Laura Loomer Goes to War With Elon Musk

Elon Musk has managed to piss off one of Donald Trump’s biggest supporters.

newrepublic.com

 

[bzparkes]

Well looks like “breaking the terms of use” includes upsetting Elon Musk

MAGA in Total Mayhem as Laura Loomer Goes to War With Elon Musk

Elon Musk has managed to piss off one of Donald Trump’s biggest supporters.

newrepublic.com

True. I'm currently watching a video on this which has certainly swayed my opinion somewhat, based on recent events.

If Musk's banning people for opinions and not because they're breaking the ToS, then he's just being hypocritical, based off his complaints about the previous owners.

 

[.Shotties.]

People who don't think transwomen should play women's sports, for starters, or that 'gender' ideology shouldn't be taught to primary school kids.

Okay, leaving apart the fact that conservatives were honking constantly about those topics, show me the people who've been run off solely for discussing those topics

Whether you agree with the premise of it or not, having an open discussion is the best way to foster understanding from each side. Having a robust discussion on topics such as these weren't possible on the old Twitter, yet people now seem happy to voice their opinions on these divisive topics now, because they won't get banned/cancelled for doing so.

Try that on Reddit, for instance, and you'll be insta-banned for even asking legitimate questions.

Yeah, I've seen plenty of those "I'm only asking questions" threads, and the posting history of the people who post them. Which brings me to the point: robust discussion works when both participants are acting in good faith. This is rarely the case of people who take up the American right's outrage of the day.

Show me the posts you are claiming to be censored then and I'll give you my opinion. I can't comment on posts I haven't seen, can I?

Here you are vaguely waving your hands about what the old twitter was like without posts yet demanding them. In any case:

Musk suspends critics.

Musk suspends journalists.

Cis is a banned word on Twitter.

 

[Grin]

Which the left frequently does.

Also, who decides what is 'disinformation' exactly?

Now that there's community notes instead, it's quite easy to just let these people out themselves publicly.

It's not that hard to fact check stuff.
Would you say that claiming something like "Immigrants are eating your pets!" without a shred of evidence, is disimformation?

 

[Hoops]

5 foot 3 and an attitude. The holidays can be a rough time for a social media officer who doesn't know where the dangers lurk.

The only thing offensive about the RFC post is it's claim on the MCG with the Punt Road eyesore in front of it.

 

[Hoops]

Gee, not trying to pick a side here but you've very aptly described the left in this statement.

In fact, 'cancelling' is the domain of the left, the 'right' generally advocate for free speech, whereas the 'left' are far more in favour of censorship.

Just look at the massive outcry over Twitter after Musk took it over and his supposed campaigning for free speech on that particular platform compared to before he bought it and current day sites like BlueSky and Reddit, for instance.

The amount of censorship on those left-leaning sites is significant.

US public schools banned 10,000 books in most recent academic year

Survey by PEN America suggests bans nearly tripled nationwide from previous year’s figure

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gough]

US public schools banned 10,000 books in most recent academic year

Survey by PEN America suggests bans nearly tripled nationwide from previous year’s figure

www.theguardian.com

Can't have the kiddos finding out what their grandparents where actually like.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Can't have the kiddos finding out what their grandparents where actually like.

Atlas Shrugged no problems though

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Bluesky is where all the fragile people who can't deal with opposing opinions fled to to have their thoughts validated in their own echo-chamber. Same as ResetEra/Reddit.

Or Truth social, if you want to pick one from the right.

As those sites are knowingly supported by people from the side of politics they pander to, people know what they're getting into, mostly.

Twitter has supposedly stationed itself as the go to site for opinions, events as they happen, etc.

Since Musk's takeover, people feel less threatened to share viewpoints that don't appease the far-left, as used to happen on Twitter, because they are no longer silenced/punished for it, as happened under the previous ownership.

Bluesky is where people who don’t want to be inundated with toxic bullshit from RWNJ’s go to talk about science, art, nature and life.

Almost every notable account I saw that said they were opening a Bluesky account was met with a stream of replies about “that’s where the pedos go” and other such bullshit.

The amount of inbred mouthbreathers on twitter who spew outwardly racist and stupid shit multiplied the moment Space Karen decided that “free speech” and “like hiding” was the way forward.

Now you’ve got accounts that are anti-science grifters posting all sorts of offensive shit, racking up thousands of likes and engagement, because there’s no accountability for anyone liking outwardly racist shit anymore.

 

[H00t]

Not everyone. Certainly the religious types will but they've been becoming more and more moderate as the years have gone by.

A gay man delivered Pennsylvania to Trump by how hard he campaigned for him pre-election, for instance.


Now is that the 'right' becoming more tolerant, or is the left moving even further in that direction, thus people who would've been considered centre, or even moderate left before are now suddenly 'right'.

A good example of this would be Joe Rogan. Do you think he is right wing?

The right will pick someone to target, in America it’s been black people, women, LGBT, asians and immigrants.

Currently the focus is on “illegals” and trans people. They will continue to harp on about them until it becomes untenable due to societies values changing then pick the next “other” to target.

Society as a whole is becoming more tolerant. It’s also becoming incredibly rigid in its class structure with a widening divide between the haves and have nots. It’s people enforcing these structures that’s making them more right wing.

There’s also the out and out Nazis that Musk and others are giving air to that’s seeing a rise in such views.

Also Rogan is a libertarian and definitely right wing in his views. Push even slightly deeply and it’s clear he’s conservative and wants government out of the picture so he and big business can extract as much wealth from the general population as possible.

As for the rest of your post it’s not to much do with left vs right. Even England sending people to prison for hate speech has nothing to do with the left. A right wing government sending right wing people to jail. The “right” wing views people are complaining are being silenced for voicing are pure hate speech.

The entire media is filled with right wing viewpoints and they aren’t being silenced.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Show me the posts you are claiming to be censored then and I'll give you my opinion. I can't comment on posts I haven't seen, can I?

You kind of answered your own statement there...

 

[bzparkes]

The right will pick someone to target, in America it’s been black people, women, LGBT, asians and immigrants.

Currently the focus is on “illegals” and trans people. They will continue to harp on about them until it becomes untenable due to societies values changing then pick the next “other” to target.

Society as a whole is becoming more tolerant. It’s also becoming incredibly rigid in its class structure with a widening divide between the haves and have nots. It’s people enforcing these structures that’s making them more right wing.

There’s also the out and out Nazis that Musk and others are giving air to that’s seeing a rise in such views.

Also Rogan is a libertarian and definitely right wing in his views. Push even slightly deeply and it’s clear he’s conservative and wants government out of the picture so he and big business can extract as much wealth from the general population as possible.

As for the rest of your post it’s not to much do with left vs right. Even England sending people to prison for hate speech has nothing to do with the left. A right wing government sending right wing people to jail. The “right” wing views people are complaining are being silenced for voicing are pure hate speech.

The entire media is filled with right wing viewpoints and they aren’t being silenced.

Illegals are a major issue and you'd probably be surprised to learn that the group in most favour of deportation in the USA are Mexicans.

In fact, this is quite common across the world. People who immigrated legally are more in favour of deporting people from their own countries who arrive illegally, because they're pissed off that they had to go through all the hardships to get approved and someone else just waltzes in.

Trans people has become an issue for many by virtue of the fact that they seemingly aren't even allowed to voice any concerns they have about things such as women's sports participation, usage of bathrooms, children being transitioned, etc.

Whilst it may only affect a very small amount of people directly, the fact the issue is portrayed in every form of media these days just puts an even greater spotlight on it than it actually merits just means there'll be an even greater pushback from people who struggle to accept it. When you create ridiculous terms such as 'chest-feeders' and 'birthing parent' to people who their entire lives who went through school taught the biology of a man and a woman, then try to force them to use those terms, you're going to look like a crazy person.

You can't convince people who learnt 1+1 = 2 that 1+1 actually = 3.if you say that and agree to disagree then they'll just shrug their shoulders and move on. If you start enacting changes to ensure that everyone uses 3 as the correct answer however, people get pissed.

Also as for Joe Rogan, he was a Democrat his entire life up until he endorsed Trump in this election. I saw the snippet of him discussing it on YouTube somewhere but basically he says that he didn't leave the left, they left him. His views haven't changed over the years much but the Democrats have gone so far to the left that people now consider him 'right'.

There's many former Democrat voters in the USA who feel like this. It was very interesting to see Democrat voters and leftist news anchors go full mask off in the wake of the election results, especially in regards to the Mexicans supporting Trump. So 'anti-deportation' crew suddenly wanted them all deported and ended up blaming minorities who voted for Trump, claiming they were 'problematic'. Hilarious stuff really.

As for your last statement, that's inherently untrue, unless you're watching Fox or Sky News. There's just as many left leaning news sources out there that are as unhinged as their right wing counterparts.

Then there's the propaganda machine that is Hollywood. Look how much vitriol a movie about rescuing kids from child trafficking received due to apparently being a right wing 'dog whistle'.

When you understand Hollywood is run by people like Harvey Weinstein, the music industry by P.Diddy and billionaires/politicians were great mates with Epstein, it all makes sense why they'd hate a movie like that.

 

[bzparkes]

You kind of answered your own statement there...

This isn't the gotcha you think it is.

Also, I addressed the Musk situation in a later post.