Mick Malthouse demands Sydney help end now

[Great 2008]

Didn't we poach to big spuds who can't kick or mark? Everyone should be happy we are using big chunks of our crap to recruit spuds .

If those 2 are the level of player we use the cola on, shouldn't the rest of the football world be pushing to increase our cap so we can fill our entire list with overpaid spuds?

You are getting sledging mixed up with the facts. New to this? Any club in the league would buy a Tippett/Franklin combo IF they had the means.

 

[MarkT2]

Thanks Captain Obvious . Doesn't change the fact that the balance isn't the same across the board.

OK so someonme has a contrary view and you have to be smartarse. Good for you.
The balance is obviously not the same betwen any club on any front. That's an obvious statement. So what?

Yeah because it totally stopped us losing our share of players right? Was great that Shane O'Bree, Des Headland, Craig Bolton and Jason Gram stuck around for the long haul.

No club retains everyone all the time. There is a trade system that already compensates. You got well over the odds for headland who yuo didn;t want to lose. Leigh Mathews has said Bolton was squeezed out by lack of opotunity. Regardless, what is you point exactly? More cap means more retentiona dn more recruitment capacity. In an environmenmt when a salary cap is the fundamental lever for the AFL to restrict clubs they ahve to be equally restricted - or not at all.

Well run clubs don't lose many players. Poorly run clubs lose more players. That's what has happened to Brisbane in recent years.

Yeah, and we were only able to afford to get him because of the cap space we had earmarked for our former No.1 draft pick who succumbed to the go home factor within 2 weeks after winning a premiership medal. We also gave up a former pick #6 in Damian Cupido and pick #15 for Caracella's two years of service. Hardly equivalent to the Sydney Franklin "poach" eh?

Also worth noting that Caracella was squeezed out of Brisbane after two years due to... you know it... salary cap pressure.

Never said it was in teh Franklin league but how is that erelevent to the point anyway? You had more cap room and were able to take a player from your nearest ladder rival who you beat in a grand final because you had more salary cap. Take away the difference and you don't take Caracella. Add the difference to Essendon and they don't lose him. The fact yuo eventually lost him doesn;t change the fact you hjad extra space and recruited with it - unlike what you stated. The fact you later made a different list management decision is beside the point - even if it was salary cap based. More money in the cao has to make those decisions much easier and less frequent.

Revisionism. Mal Michael was still a relative nobody when we traded Jarrod Molloy for him. He was essentially only known as the bloke standing the mark when Plugger kicked his 1300th goal. Collingwood were considered well compensated in that trade at the time. Salary cap had nothing to do with it. If we were able to pay him overs it was because we lost Molloy, not to mention Matthew Clarke to the Crows that year.

He wasn't a nobody at all. He was a required player who was highly rated at Collingwood. He asked for a lot more money and Collingood couldn't or wouldn't pay it. Remove cap restrictions and and these salary decisons often change.

Clubs make list managemenmt decisions all the time and salary is a primary consideration. More cap changes the decions.

 

[donbooger]

The Swans messed it up with Franklin, the AFL have been reluctantly forced to act. The COLA is not about cost of living it is a payment to make Sydney teams successful in a big non AFL state to attract support and money.

The AFL have held up under fire with the argument of "cost of living" and could continue to do so as long as Sydney remained only moderately above average in there success (ie dont go nuts with an excessive triple Brisbane premiership). The COLA in fairness should be divided up amongst the playing list and more favourably amongst the lower paid, though we are not stupid and do expect Sydney to do what is in there best interest but we had some illusions that some of the payment is being used for what is intended.

Sydney however picked up the whole COLA and threw it Franklin for ten years. This was after all eyes were upon the premiers for grabbing Tippet the year before.

Sydney pushed the COLA to the ground with Tippett then kicked it to death with Franklin.

 

[Daveismad]

Countless times here, it has been explained how Sydney managed their list in order to afford Tippett and Franklin, and it had nothing to do with the CoLA.

You're a mod. You'd know your way round this site. Go read them yourself.

(Of course, don't ever let actual mathematics get in the way of your argument.)

Most of Adam goodes wage is payed by the afl .....he hard hardly gets any money from the cap

Franklin recieves massive payments from the afl for ambassador payments

I reckon the bloke who bloke plays full the bulldogs ....I think is name is Chong ...Asian guy who's done great to make it.

I don't reckon he would get an ambassador payment from the afl ....... In fact do know he wouldn't ....that's reserved for franklin and goodes who must happen to play for swans ....geez blow me down with a feather again ....third party deals ....Geelong were not allowed a third party deal to retain Ablett ......GCS ....no problems

The swans get an extra million per year in cap space ....roughly ......plus a ambassador payments ......plus a soft draw (they have never trvael to Perth twice in a season or nor do they travel do they trvael twice to Adelaide in a season)

They get gws twice every year, they get Brisbane lions twice every year

I mean what a flipping joke

Let's just hand them the cup.

 

[Daveismad]

Malthouse trying to get attention away from himself.

Nah mick is actually something all the other piss weak coaches don't say

 

[Grongey]

Mick is right. He's also right in wanting COLA to be removed next year instead of it dragging out until 2017.

Even Eddie McGuire disagrees with Mick on this.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Clubs make list managemenmt decisions all the time and salary is a primary consideration. More cap changes the decions.

Ducking and weaving like a champ. I'll let my still yet to be countered underlying points stand. No need to repeat myself.

 

[bkozican]

Old boy has finally said something we can all agree on

 

[weirdtim]

Wow, Sydney fans really can't handle the truth. They are getting all manner of offended. The fact that one Sydney moron is arguing that Mick is making these comments because he wants to poach players from Sydney....That's as dumb as the Essendon fans who were claiming that nobody was booing Goodes on the weekend, but instead shouting out "Goooooooodes".

The truth which anyone with a brain bigger than a walnut realises is that the COLA was never about the cost of living, and everything to do with the AFL trying to expand into rugby territory. It was just a convenient lie. The AFL wants to expand into an area that doesn't give a stuff about the AFL and is the heartland of rugby in Australia. So they move a team there and give them an extra large salary cap so that this team can always afford good players and avoid bottoming out. Because bottoming out like Melbourne could result in their bandwagon fans giving up on AFL. So they give NSW teams an advantage because they want them finishing high and winning premierships to bring in new fans. It's nothing short of rigging the game in favour of a couple of teams to potentially bring in new fans, at the expense of everyone else that already follows the game.

 

[MarkT2]

Ducking and weaving like a champ. I'll let my still yet to be countered underlying points stand. No need to repeat myself.

I have no idea what these yet to be countered points are but please yourself.

 

[worthy]

Been done to death this subject.

Mick having some problems, oh look over there.

There is two tiers in football - AFL states vs non AFL states (NSW and Queensland). Non AFL states are at a huge disadvantage retaining players drafted from interstate. Witness what just happened at Brisbane - prime example, Polec.

Brisbane lost their retention allowance after winning three cups. Now Sydney lose the Cost of Living Allowance after winning two. Sour Grapes is all it is.

Removal of the COLA gives teams from AFL States an unfair advantage. What just happened to Brisbane will now be attempted on the Swans and Suns. Swans are lucky with good recruitment and culture giving a strong chance of retaining players drafted from interstate but if the Swans drop down the ladder just watch the poaching.

You do realise the two biggest signings of the last couple of years wanted to go to Sydney, climate and lifestyle being major factors. Sydney isn't the black hole of AFL it was when the allowance was brought in.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

however there is a significant difference ....in Sydney vs Melbourne...the place is a DUMP.

On this I think everyone can agree.

 

[RuFiO]

Bloody Eddie has brainwashed Mick.

 

[Randy Campbell]

Why are Perth clubs excluded. It competes with Sydney for being the most expensive place to live.

Because the TV market in Perth does not have the potential growth of the NSW market.

 

[weirdtim]

Because the TV market in Perth does not have the potential growth of the NSW market.

While AFL isn't doing horribly, anyone that thinks the future of sport in NSW is anything other than rugby and soccer is fooling themselves. There is certainly interest in AFL, but the diehard rugby folk will never move to AFL or raise their kids on it. And the booming migrant population don't give a stuff about footy either. They are mad for soccer.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Countless times here, it has been explained how Sydney managed their list in order to afford Tippett and Franklin, and it had nothing to do with the CoLA.

You're a mod. You'd know your way round this site. Go read them yourself.

(Of course, don't ever let actual mathematics get in the way of your argument.)

Of course, the AFL just happen to review the COLA straight after they were landed.

 

[Randy Campbell]

While AFL isn't doing horribly, anyone that thinks the future of sport in NSW is anything other than rugby and soccer is fooling themselves. There is certainly interest in AFL, but the diehard rugby folk will never move to AFL or raise their kids on it. And the booming migrant population don't give a stuff about footy either. They are mad for soccer.

The paid employees of the AFL have bonuses that depend on the growth of the game.
The largest potential is the NSW market.
In the past when the Swans have not performed people do not watch them.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Wow, Sydney fans really can't handle the truth. They are getting all manner of offended. The fact that one Sydney moron is arguing that Mick is making these comments because he wants to poach players from Sydney....That's as dumb as the Essendon fans who were claiming that nobody was booing Goodes on the weekend, but instead shouting out "Goooooooodes".

The truth which anyone with a brain bigger than a walnut realises is that the COLA was never about the cost of living, and everything to do with the AFL trying to expand into rugby territory. It was just a convenient lie. The AFL wants to expand into an area that doesn't give a stuff about the AFL and is the heartland of rugby in Australia. So they move a team there and give them an extra large salary cap so that this team can always afford good players and avoid bottoming out. Because bottoming out like Melbourne could result in their bandwagon fans giving up on AFL. So they give NSW teams an advantage because they want them finishing high and winning premierships to bring in new fans. It's nothing short of rigging the game in favour of a couple of teams to potentially bring in new fans, at the expense of everyone else that already follows the game.

Actually, most of the Sydney posters have been pretty measured.

I think you're the one getting offended.

Pretty sure what you're referring to was a joke about Malthouse giving up Jeremy Laidler, who's now shining at the Swans. A very familiar scenario.

As to the rest of your post, all makes pretty good sense, except for the fact that you're so offended by how the situation is.

Because the comp has never been fair. And it still isn't now.

But it sure ain't WWF, and I personally think the AFL has done a pretty good job over the years of balancing the competing interests.

But if it so troubles you, just don't follow the game anymore.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Of course, the AFL just happen to review the COLA straight after they were landed.

Due in no small part to ignorant fans and media commentators creating a giant PR headache with a massive amount of ill-informed comment.

The AFL is not stupid, and protecting their brand will always come first.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

While AFL isn't doing horribly, anyone that thinks the future of sport in NSW is anything other than rugby and soccer is fooling themselves. There is certainly interest in AFL, but the diehard rugby folk will never move to AFL or raise their kids on it. And the booming migrant population don't give a stuff about footy either. They are mad for soccer.

Sadly, footy these days is as much about TV ratings and advertising revenue than it is about bums on seats (if not more so).

The three highest-ever rating AFL Grand Final broadcasts have been for '05, '06, and 2012. There is a pattern there.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Most of Adam goodes wage is payed by the afl .....he hard hardly gets any money from the cap

Franklin recieves massive payments from the afl for ambassador payments

I reckon the bloke who bloke plays full the bulldogs ....I think is name is Chong ...Asian guy who's done great to make it.

I don't reckon he would get an ambassador payment from the afl ....... In fact do know he wouldn't ....that's reserved for franklin and goodes who must happen to play for swans ....geez blow me down with a feather again ....third party deals ....Geelong were not allowed a third party deal to retain Ablett ......GCS ....no problems

The swans get an extra million per year in cap space ....roughly ......plus a ambassador payments ......plus a soft draw (they have never trvael to Perth twice in a season or nor do they travel do they trvael twice to Adelaide in a season)

They get gws twice every year, they get Brisbane lions twice every year

I mean what a ruddy joke

Let's just hand them the cup.

So vote with your feet.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Exactly.

They want to trade players in, but they should never lose a player.

Fantasy land, that up until now has been somewhat reality.

I'm not quite sure what planet you're living on, probably planet of the apes.
To bring in Franklin we traded out quite a few players, Everitt, Mumford & White come to mind, amongst a lot of the younger and less established players. Throw in retirements of Mattner, Morton & Bolton as well.

How many teams lost at least 7-8 players last year to bring in 3?

 

[Great 2008]

Wow, Sydney fans really can't handle the truth. They are getting all manner of offended. The fact that one Sydney moron is arguing that Mick is making these comments because he wants to poach players from Sydney....That's as dumb as the Essendon fans who were claiming that nobody was booing Goodes on the weekend, but instead shouting out "Goooooooodes".

The truth which anyone with a brain bigger than a walnut realises is that the COLA was never about the cost of living, and everything to do with the AFL trying to expand into rugby territory. It was just a convenient lie. The AFL wants to expand into an area that doesn't give a stuff about the AFL and is the heartland of rugby in Australia. So they move a team there and give them an extra large salary cap so that this team can always afford good players and avoid bottoming out. Because bottoming out like Melbourne could result in their bandwagon fans giving up on AFL. So they give NSW teams an advantage because they want them finishing high and winning premierships to bring in new fans. It's nothing short of rigging the game in favour of a couple of teams to potentially bring in new fans, at the expense of everyone else that already follows the game.

Poetry and truth.

 

[jakson68]

Mick coaches a club that knows a thing or two about trying to buy a premiership. That is what Sydney are trying to do with their extra money and they want to rub everyone's face in it whilst they do it. Cost of living my arse!!! If this was the case then Melbourne based clubs should also get some sort of compensation, as it is more expensive to live in Melbourne than say Adelaide.
With the money the average AFL player is on, I think they could just about afford to live wherever they like.
Simply put, the extra money they get, has been shown over the last couple of years to be used not for the good of the playing group but for selfish, cheating, sneaky reasons. Take it away as soon as possible and their arrogant laugh in your face smile also.

 

[Hot Piez]

Those poor bastards that have to pay prime waterside rent on 500k a year

Your heart really bleeds

It's so ridiculous.

"We have to pay more for our house... but it is also worth more".

It is like saying it is unfair because I have to pay $1,000 for $1,000 worth of gold but my neighbor is picking up $800 worth for the bargain price of $800.