Evidently on his bowling return was bowling mid 140 km and was the quickest bowler in the Qld game at the WACA a few weeks ago plus he is probably averaging above 50 with the bat and now Captain .....so all round pretty handy cricketer .
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I don't really care if it's clicked for him in a couple of shield games and he's bowling over a certain speed.
The fact of the matter is, he has played 21 tests, that's a hell of a lot of sample size, that's only 4 games less than his brother who has 5 tons and averages just under 40 and is almost as much maligned.
An average of 21 with the bat and 37 with the ball is the definition of an absolute shit truck, who atm would go down as probably the worst player Australia has produced, that has played over 20 tests, in the past 25 years.
It's not as if his first class record is that much better, he averages 30 with the bat and 29 with the ball.
Cummins averages 30 with the bat at FC level, if they want a bowling all-rounder, promote S.Marsh to 5, Paine to 6, Cummins to 7 and play Chad Sayers as complete point of difference to the rest of the bowling unit.
We'd be getting far more value..
75 first class matches at a batting average of 30 just isn't good enough for a bloke who's bowling at test standard indicates he is a batting all-rounder.
The fact of the matter is, he has played 21 tests, that's a hell of a lot of sample size, that's only 4 games less than his brother who has 5 tons and averages just under 40 and is almost as much maligned.
An average of 21 with the bat and 37 with the ball is the definition of an absolute shit truck, who atm would go down as probably the worst player Australia has produced, that has played over 20 tests, in the past 25 years.
It's not as if his first class record is that much better, he averages 30 with the bat and 29 with the ball.
Cummins averages 30 with the bat at FC level, if they want a bowling all-rounder, promote S.Marsh to 5, Paine to 6, Cummins to 7 and play Chad Sayers as complete point of difference to the rest of the bowling unit.
We'd be getting far more value..
75 first class matches at a batting average of 30 just isn't good enough for a bloke who's bowling at test standard indicates he is a batting all-rounder.
There'll be a time when Mitch proves a lot of people wrong in the test arena.
But that should be at least a year or 2 away, this is poor from CA even if he's just going to be running drinks. He needs the motivation of knowing he's no where near the test team, having him constantly on the fringe is the wrong approach.
But that should be at least a year or 2 away, this is poor from CA even if he's just going to be running drinks. He needs the motivation of knowing he's no where near the test team, having him constantly on the fringe is the wrong approach.
Marsh is a better bat than Sayers, and will be only there to bowl if one of the quicks gets injured and to give them a rest. I doubt he will bowl 20 overs for the match, why would you pick a frontline bowler who won't bowl 20 overs
Edit: Bird would be ahead of Sayers anyway, especially at the WACA
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Agree with that and that's exactly why Marsh has been selected. The faster bowling option.
I'd personally just have picked Maxwell as a bat in place of Handscomb and gone in with our standard bowling line up.
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That's what I would do aswell.
So after seeing the second innings where we again collapsed into a heap, the selectors have said to themselves "you know what, we should make it just that little bit more brittle and bring in a bowling all rounder."
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
The WACA being a road and not a day/night test?
Mitch Marsh is the best seam allrounder in the country. Though thats saying very little.
If they get to Perth and the pitch is absolute road, they want the option to play a fifth bowler, is the fifth bowler is only going to bowl a bit most likely you'd prefer they were a decent bat. If all four bowlers are fit and the pitch is not a round Mitch Marsh won't play.
Given the available players Mitch Marsh is not an outrageous squad selection. The squad is so they have options around team balance at last selection once they know more about the pitch and players fitness. They will have the fifth out and out bowler and the best available all rounder, which is Mitch Marsh, simply in the absence of a better option.
If they get to Perth and the pitch is absolute road, they want the option to play a fifth bowler, is the fifth bowler is only going to bowl a bit most likely you'd prefer they were a decent bat. If all four bowlers are fit and the pitch is not a round Mitch Marsh won't play.
Given the available players Mitch Marsh is not an outrageous squad selection. The squad is so they have options around team balance at last selection once they know more about the pitch and players fitness. They will have the fifth out and out bowler and the best available all rounder, which is Mitch Marsh, simply in the absence of a better option.
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An all rounder at 6 doesn't necessarily need to be a threat, they just need to tie up an end. Last year South Africa batted 160 overs in an innings, the year before New Zealand 153. That's a heavy workload for the bowlers, particularly considering the pitch offered nothing and it's hot and dry. If Maxwell could bowl 10-20 economical overs he'd do as a 5th bowling option.
The problem is CA's fascination with quicks that can bowl 140+. Marsh can do that, which keeps him in the frame.
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In his last two games at the WACA Marsh has hit 141 and 95...
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Marsh has bowled 22 overs in the last 6 months. He's in the frame.
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For the Maxwell fanboi's out there - Marsh isn't competing against him for a spot.
If they want someone vying for a best 6 batsman in the country - that isn't Mitch Marsh. And that is where Maxwell could compete -
If they want an adequate Number 6 who can provide meaningful bowling - then Marsh truthfully isn't competing against a lot
If they want someone vying for a best 6 batsman in the country - that isn't Mitch Marsh. And that is where Maxwell could compete -
If they want an adequate Number 6 who can provide meaningful bowling - then Marsh truthfully isn't competing against a lot
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We wouldn’t be having this discussion if the WACA curator actually did his job and produced a true WACA pitch!
SO? It's a pretty empty field. Who's the alternative?
I'm pretty sure he won'y play. And if it's a road playing a actual 5th bowler may well be the better choice.
But for the 13 man squad in Perth, the 11, best bowler option, best seam all rounder option.
You disagree that Mitch Marsh is the best avaiilable then what's the option?
I agree he's record is not good, if he gets a game it's more about the empty shelf.
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Is this Bizarro world?
I thought Faulkner would become a very good all rounder and play some test cricket, but he's not quite got there. But if fit and going I'd pick him ahead of Mitch Marsh.
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I don't think we need an all rounder at this point at all. The top 6 finally looks settled because we have more than Smith and Warner making runs. Handscomb and Khawaja haven't done a whole heap in two tests so far but I wouldn't go upsetting the balance just to get a guy in who has only just started bowling again. If we are picking a guy to bowl 15 overs in each innings then I'd go for a 4th quick. If we just want an all rounder to roll the arm over in case then keep it as is and let Warner/Smith/whoever have a bowl.
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Problem for Faulkner is he's a bowling all rounder, so he belongs at 7 or 8. I don't think he'll ever be top 6 quality, so he's in no man's land unless we pick 5 bowlers.
I thought Marsh looked like he belonged at test level when he debuted, but he fell away pretty quickly and CA's Marsh-Watson-Marsh backflipping wouldn't have helped. He really needs a solid season or two at Shield level before he is in the frame at all.
Marsh and Faulkner have comparable FC records with the bat, except Marsh has more 5 100s and 18 50s to 2 and 15 from Faulkner, and generally bats higher in the order. Faulkner has a much better record with the ball. I rate Faulkner and I think he has the temperament to step up, but I don't think he has much improvement left in his game. Marsh on the other hand annoyingly has the family "potential" and looks like he could be a guy that averages 40-45 with the bat and 30 with the ball. At least at Shield level.
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two half centuries in 35 innings and an average of 21.7. Selectors are smoking something.
How arrogant. Deciding what we should and shouldn't be discussing. He's open to scrutiny like every other player.
If he's one of our best prospects we're ****ed going forward.
Not good enough to bat in the top 7 but not good enough to be one of the 4 bowlers. A slightly better Henriques or Faulkner.
