Mock PSD up on footydraft.com

[GOALden Hawk]

http://www.footydraft.com/index.php?pg=nd

Bare in mind we aren't sure exactly how many picks there will be yet.

A list of the possible rookies are below - we won't be doing a phantom rookie draft (too hard) but we'll update the site pretty soon after it happens with the full rookie draft and as much info as possible on who is taken.

We'll probably be switching this page to the front page over the next couple of days as well.

Any thoughts on the initial PSD?

 

[Weaver]

Richmond have dumped Zantuck so now have a 2nd pick (which I guess they will pass on). Interested to see if someone will touch Zantuck, he can certainly play.

 

[coasting]

I don't think St Kilda can pass. I think their list has to be full.

 

[Portia]

Happy enough with Grundy, but redrafting RFK wouldn't surprise. I reckon we're one accountable small-mid defender short currently...can Grundy play small?

I seem to recall seeing Choco getting on well with Ryan Bain in the Fox Footy draft special, so he could be a punt too. Also, he's commented in the recent past on brothers working out, so maybe Andrew Gilham?

Zantuck is a bit psycho, but if Choco is convinced he'll stay off the grog during the season and he falls to our pick, I'd say he's a chance.

If I was a Roos fan, I think I'd cry if Picioane got selected.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Good point on Zantuck - added an extra pick for the Tigers and have him going to Essendon (Sheedy wanted to trade for him didn't he?)

I'm still not sure how the whole veteran's thing works. I think St Kilda can pass because the CBA says you need 38 on your list including veterans - it doesn't specify about whether they have to be inside or outside the list.

 

[pazza]

Good work there once again GH.

Just one question though...is there any chance you could put up Guy Campbell as a possible rookie list player, as there are a number of Essendon people, myself included, who think he could be a welcome addition.

Some brief details:

Turning 23 next year.

From Bendigo Diggers into Bendigo Bombers

198cm and over 100kg

Able to play as a ruckman and key position defender. Had an injured shoulder mid-2004, but, was an automatic selection for Bendigo's VFL team when available, winning high praise from regular Bendigo match viewers.

 

[Snickers]

We wont have a selection in the PSD. Our list has already 38. And will probably have 2 rookies i would think.

 

[year of the roo]

If I was a Roos fan, I think I'd cry if Picioane got selected.

Especially if Grundy and Kirkby were still available. They are younger, cheaper, more promising, not head-cases, the list goes on. But I am almost at the stage where I would be shocked if we didn't take Picioane.

 

[deck]

I don't think St Kilda can pass. I think their list has to be full.

No you can have a list of 32 if you want. You can then take more players in the rookie draft to help top up your list.

 

[FIGJAM]

I like the concept of the Pre Season Draft.

If it goes according to GOALden's predictions, it means Steve McKee can be called a "number one draft" pick and that Richmond selected Steve McKee ahead of Blake Caracella!

It is the draft equivalent of Bizarro world!!

 

[mick4]

I think that st. kilda will pass on the pre season draft. Grant Thomas said after last years draft that he preferred only a minium amount of players on the st. kilda list and it would be unlike him to go back on his word

 

[Nightwolf]

Blumfield would be so P!$$ed off Zantuck nominated, doubt he will go to the Dons now...

 

[Streaker]

No you can have a list of 32 if you want. You can then take more players in the rookie draft to help top up your list.

You have to have a minimum of 38 on your senior list. The senior list does not include rookie players.

 

[irel]

Should be easietr to identify the Brisbane rookies as only Queenslanders will be selected. 6 places available. Possible selections:
Footydraft.co.au has profiles of Hamil, Pask and Weller.

Goalden is it possible to profile the other possible draftees?

Not sure if all bellow eligible.

Scott Harding 179/76 Morningside
Ed McDonnell 192/85 Western Magpies
Will Hamill 190/76 Mt Gravatt
Marty Pask 191/88 Western Magpies
Andrew Browning 194/81 Morningside
Matthew Clarke – 185/70. Labrador
Cheynee Stiller – 183/72 Northern Eagles
Marcus Allen – 180/74 ????????
Josh Drummond - 188/84(LIons 04 Rookie)possibly re-drafted
Jake Weller - 194/84 Northern Eagles

 

[whykickamoocow]

why will brisbane ONLY select queenslanders?

travis baird im not saying will be selected by the lions, but will be a fair chance, he has told the whole town they would like him on their list next year.

 

[pazza]

Blumfield would be so P!$$ed off Zantuck nominated, doubt he will go to the Dons now...

Probably not.

Blumfield has been training with us, but, the medical staff told him that he has a month of training to get his knee right, otherwise we won't consider getting him. The word is his knee clearly isn't right.

 

[irel]

why will brisbane ONLY select queenslanders?

travis baird im not saying will be selected by the lions, but will be a fair chance, he has told the whole town they would like him on their list next year.

Club policy to draft only QLD based rookies. The only non-QLD player selected recently Darren Bradshaw. However he spent a season or so playing in the local league prior to being drafted. Brisbane is very keen to give local talent exposure and opportunity at AFL footy.

 

[Lidge]

Club policy to draft only QLD based rookies. The only non-QLD player selected recently Darren Bradshaw. However he spent a season or so playing in the local league prior to being drafted. Brisbane is very keen to give local talent exposure and opportunity at AFL footy.

Yeah? What about Pratt who you rookied after Nth Melb delisted him, promoted him this year for a few games, delisted him again and North drafted back?

Confusing....but he isn't a QLDer is he?

 

[jezza]

I'd be hoping the tigers will use two picks, taking Kirkby with pick 1 and then McKee with our second pick.

 

[macca23]

Good point on Zantuck - added an extra pick for the Tigers and have him going to Essendon (Sheedy wanted to trade for him didn't he?)

I'm still not sure how the whole veteran's thing works. I think St Kilda can pass because the CBA says you need 38 on your list including veterans - it doesn't specify about whether they have to be inside or outside the list.

I would have thought that the 38 on your list has to be the primary list - without knowing for sure.

Yes, you can have veterans on your primary list by nominating them on that list. That way you still have the right to select 6 rookies.

On the other hand if they have been nominated on the veterans list, then your number of rookies is reduced from the maximum of 6 by the number of vetrans nominated on that list. In these circumstances, the primary list of 38 would not include these veterans and a club would be obliged to fill any vacancies by the end of the PSD - they can no longer have vacancies on the list.

I think that's how it works, and if I'm right, then whether they are nominated as veterans inside or outside the primary list is important.

 

[Streaker]

Here are the rules as they are written

VETERANS LIST
13.1
(a) An AFL Club may nominate for each AFL Season up to two eligible Players to be transferred from its Primary List to the Veterans List and/or any number of eligible Players to be classified as a veteran on its Primary List, provided the transfer or classification occurs no later than two weeks after the Pre-Season Draft prior to the relevant AFL Season.

(b) An AFL Club which classifies a Player on its Primary List as a veteran, may, at a later stage, but no later than two weeks after the Pre-Season Draft prior to the relevant AFL Season, transfer the Player to the AFL Club’s Veterans List.

(c) A Player who is transferred to the AFL Club’s Veterans List can only be
transferred back to the Primary List of the AFL Club between the end of an
AFL Season and two weeks after the Pre-Season Draft prior to the next AFL Season and provided that Player remains classified as a veteran on the Primary List.

(d) A Player that is classified as a veteran on the Primary List must remain
classified as a Veteran until that Player leaves the Club or is transferred to
the Veterans List.

13.2
A Player is eligible for inclusion on an AFL Club’s Veterans List or to be classified as a veteran, on the Primary List if:

(a) the Player has been at the AFL Club on the Primary List for at least ten (10) years

(b) the Player is 30 years of age or older as at 30 September in the relevant AFL Season, provided that in the case of Fremantle and Port Adelaide, a Player will be eligible

• if he is 30 years of age or older as at 30 September in the relevant AFL Season; and
• has been on the AFL Club’s Primary List since inception of the AFL Club
into the AFL Competition.

Once an AFL Club to which these exceptions apply has been in the AFL
Competition for 10 years, the exception will cease to apply to that AFL Club and thereafter the provisions of sub-clauses 13.2(a) and (b) will apply.

13.3
For Total Player Payment purposes, a proportion (as set out in the following table) of Football Payments to each Veteran shall be excluded from Total Player Payments, such proportion to vary depending on the number of Veterans at each Club:

Number of Veterans Percentage of Football Payments
Excluded from TPP
1 50
2 50
3 33.1/3
4 25
5 20
Any number greater than 5 is 100 ÷ number of Veterans

Then there is also this

PLAYER LISTS
14.1
Each AFL Club shall maintain minimum and maximum numbers of Players on their Lists. During the term, the maximum Primary List size shall be 38 and Veterans List size shall be 2.

14.2
The minimum number of Players on the Club’s Primary List and Veterans List combined shall be 38, save for 2004, where the minimum shall be 37.

14.3
The number of Players referred to in clause 14.1 and 14.2 shall be Players included on the AFL Club’s Primary List and Veterans List and shall be in addition to the allowable number of Rookies including eligible Rookies as defined in the Rules. The maximum number of Rookies and Players on the Primary List shall be in accordance with Schedule C.

14.4
There shall be a limit of two Players that may be placed on a Club’s Veterans List with no limit on the number of Players that may be classified as veterans on the AFL Club’s Primary List.

14.5
An AFL Club is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player as being eligible for senior selection if it has 38 Players on its Primary List not including Veterans at the conclusion of the Pre-Season Draft and it otherwise satisfies the requirements of this clause 14.

14.6
An AFL Club which is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player pursuant to clause 14.5 may:

(a) where the AFL Club has nominated one Player on its Veterans List,
nominate one Player from its Rookie List as being available for selection by that AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series Matches; and
(b) where the AFL Club has not nominated a Player on its Veterans List, nominate up to two Players from its Rookie List as being available for
selection by the AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL
Finals Series Matches.
14.7
The right of an AFL Club to nominate a Rookie Player under clause 14.6 is subject to the AFL Club demonstrating to the satisfaction of the investigations Manager that it can accommodate within its Total Player Payments the Football Payments which must be paid to the Rookie Player as prescribed by paragraph 4 of Schedule B.

14.8
One half of the Football Payments in respect of a Rookie Player nominated under this clause 14 shall be excluded from the relevant AFL Club’s Total Player Payments.

If you look at the highlighted bits it might help you with our current situation. Basically it boils down to us being able to have a rookie listed player, able to play at any stage during the season, with us only having to place half of their payment under the Salary Cap. Placing Banners on the Veteran List outside the Senior List means we lose this option.

Hope it helps.

 

[grub29]

Yeah? What about Pratt who you rookied after Nth Melb delisted him, promoted him this year for a few games, delisted him again and North drafted back?

Confusing....but he isn't a QLDer is he?

Pratt was originally a Queenslander.

 

[Russian]

I would have thought that the 38 on your list has to be the primary list - without knowing for sure.

Yes, you can have veterans on your primary list by nominating them on that list. That way you still have the right to select 6 rookies.

On the other hand if they have been nominated on the veterans list, then your number of rookies is reduced from the maximum of 6 by the number of vetrans nominated on that list. In these circumstances, the primary list of 38 would not include these veterans and a club would be obliged to fill any vacancies by the end of the PSD - they can no longer have vacancies on the list.

I think that's how it works, and if I'm right, then whether they are nominated as veterans inside or outside the primary list is important.

but you can change whether they're on the list up until 2 weeks after the PSD. The only reason I can think of for that rule is so you can pass on PSD picks and move vets on the vets list back to the main list.

 

[macca23]

but you can change whether they're on the list up until 2 weeks after the PSD. The only reason I can think of for that rule is so you can pass on PSD picks and move vets on the vets list back to the main list.

Yep, that makes sense. That would certainly avoid having to have a pick in the PSD.

Thanks.

 

[Weaver]

14.2
The minimum number of Players on the Club’s Primary List and Veterans List combined shall be 38, save for 2004, where the minimum shall be 37.


That is pretty clear. Richmond have 37 and could therefore pass on a pick if they want to and with cash tight it wouldn't be a suprise.