News Monkhurst and Otten leaving

[MasterSamurai]

Clarkson rebuilt The club when it was required. A once in a lifetime coach.

I have never been a fan of ex players ( for good reason ) taking over.

I'm scared, very scared.

Fingers across eyes.

 

[Dewnior]

Clarkson rebuilt The club when it was required. A once in a lifetime coach.

I have never been a fan of ex players ( for good reason ) taking over.

I'm scared, very scared.

 

[Hodginator]

Clarkson rebuilt The club when it was required. A once in a lifetime coach.

I have never been a fan of ex players ( for good reason ) taking over.

I'm scared, very scared.

 

[Alite]

Monkey leaving is important. From my info he was paid very little... he did the job for the love of being a part of helping young ruckmen

I am sad to see him leave.

 

[HawthornHawk]

Monkey leaving is important. From my info he was paid very little... he did the job for the love of being a part of helping young ruckmen

I am sad to see him leave.

There'll be other ruck coaches.

I'm starting to wonder how comfortable Cyril would have felt having a bloke around the club who racially vilified his uncle

 

[flinchfree]

Clarkson rebuilt The club when it was required. A once in a lifetime coach.

I have never been a fan of ex players ( for good reason ) taking over.

I'm scared, very scared.

I guess you haven't lived long enough, your good reasons suck.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I guess you haven't lived long enough, your good reasons suck.

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There's some absolutely fine examples - but there are far more cautionary tales when it comes to appointing favourite sons as coaches.

Voss, Leppitsch, Ratten, Hird, Primus all recent examples of it going not so well. I have faith in Sammy to buck the trend though.

 

[Stratton24]

There's some absolutely fine examples - but there are far more cautionary tales when it comes to appointing favourite sons as coaches.

Voss, Leppitsch, Ratten, Hird, Primus all recent examples of it going not so well. I have faith in Sammy to buck the trend though.

Voss and Hird jumped in without doing the hard yards as an assistant.
Voss did ok got them to finals and then made bad decisions at the trade table.
Hird got his players to take performance enhancing drugs.
Ratten did ok and was pushed out for the messiah coach Malthouse.
Primus was just there after a decent era ended and didn't work out

 

[HedgeFund]

I guess you haven't lived long enough, your good reasons suck.

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You’re overlooking Knights, Judge and Schwab.

Personally I think the way football has transformed from a 2 night training - match day commitment of 10 - 15 hours in the 1960s to full time professionalism means the above comparison is moot.

Tactics, strategy, coaching defensive / offensive method, etc. these are things Kennedy would never have had to do in any depth, and Parkin only a fraction in the 70s.

What most clubs get through acquiring coaches who didn’t play there is extensive / broad football IP from other programs. Players coaching elsewhere than the clubs they played for are the norm now, and for good reason.

Thompson, Malthouse, C. Scott, Clarkson, Longmire, Beveridge, Hardwick, Simpson and Goodwin are the last 9 premiership coaches. Only Beveridge played for the club they took to the flag, and he played for 3 seasons in between Melb and St Kilda. More importantly, he never coached at the Dogs. There’s a pretty strong theme here don’t you think?

 

[flinchfree]

You’re overlooking Knights, Judge and Schwab.

Personally I think the way football has transformed from a 2 night training - match day commitment of 10 - 15 hours in the 1960s to full time professionalism means the above comparison is moot.

Tactics, strategy, coaching defensive / offensive method, etc. these are things Kennedy would never have had to do in any depth, and Parkin only a fraction in the 70s.

What most clubs get through acquiring coaches who didn’t play there is extensive / broad football IP from other programs. Players coaching elsewhere than the clubs they played for are the norm now, and for good reason.

Thompson, Malthouse, C. Scott, Clarkson, Longmire, Beveridge, Hardwick, Simpson and Goodwin are the last 9 premiership coaches. Only Beveridge played for the club they took to the flag, and he played for 3 seasons in between Melb and St Kilda. More importantly, he never coached at the Dogs. There’s a pretty strong theme here don’t you think?

You pick and choose who you like to, I'll do the same.
My response isn't that you must ALWAYS pick the fella that played at your Club to one day lead you to coaching success, but that it isn't a good reason to ALWAYS decide it's a bad idea.









In my very humble opinion, as greater numbers of players move from their days of kicking the Sherrin as a pro athlete to going through coaching courses and learning under various other senior coaches/mentors, we will see ever increasing numbers of players who find their way back to their original Club and taste the ultimate success with them.

I take it you are not backing Sam in to do the job for us.
I most definitely am.

 

[KermitJagger]

You’re overlooking Knights, Judge and Schwab.

Personally I think the way football has transformed from a 2 night training - match day commitment of 10 - 15 hours in the 1960s to full time professionalism means the above comparison is moot.

Tactics, strategy, coaching defensive / offensive method, etc. these are things Kennedy would never have had to do in any depth, and Parkin only a fraction in the 70s.

What most clubs get through acquiring coaches who didn’t play there is extensive / broad football IP from other programs. Players coaching elsewhere than the clubs they played for are the norm now, and for good reason.

Thompson, Malthouse, C. Scott, Clarkson, Longmire, Beveridge, Hardwick, Simpson and Goodwin are the last 9 premiership coaches. Only Beveridge played for the club they took to the flag, and he played for 3 seasons in between Melb and St Kilda. More importantly, he never coached at the Dogs. There’s a pretty strong theme here don’t you think?

How many coaches have coached the teams at which they played?

The theme is that coaches generally coach at clubs other than where they played purely because there are ~17 other clubs to coach at. If you look at Wooden Spoons since 2000, there's only Worsfold (who also won a flag coaching the club he played at) and Grant Thomas who won the spoon. The rest are all from different clubs! Pretty strong theme don't you think?

 

[HedgeFund]

You pick and choose who you like to, I'll do the same.
My response isn't that you must ALWAYS pick the fella that played at your Club to one day lead you to coaching success, but that it isn't a good reason to ALWAYS decide it's a bad idea.

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In my very humble opinion, as greater numbers of players move from their days of kicking the Sherrin as a pro athlete to going through coaching courses and learning under various other senior coaches/mentors, we will see ever increasing numbers of players who find their way back to their original Club and taste the ultimate success with them.

I take it you are not backing Sam in to do the job for us.
I most definitely am.

Not entirely.

I felt we should have considered McRae (who was on our staff) more seriously for the job ahead of Sam in 2020 as he had so much experience at several clubs / roles. I thought our “succession” plan had a touch of nepotism in it.

Having said that I think he has started well, and hope Sam does a great job for years to come.

To be frank, the examples you have shown are all premiership coaches from 16 - 22 years ago. Football has changed immensely since then.