Current Mosque Mass Shootings - Christchurch New Zealand

[petedavo]

What about the Israelis?

BTW, I do note that neo nazi gangs do exist in Israel.

Nazis in Israel: Israeli Police Arrest a Homegrown Skinhead Gang http://spon.de/acht9 via @SPIEGELONLINE

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...egrown-neo-nazis-in-the-holy-land-396392.html

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1741659010393937

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[petedavo]

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[petedavo]

Tonight's Four Corners episode "Under the Radar" has just gone online. https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/under-the-radar/10937772

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[petedavo]

Social media chiefs warned.

Front page of tomorrow's Sydney Morning Herald. Full story on page 11.

Courier Mail
Throw the facebook at them

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[sprockets]

Social media chiefs warned.

Front page of tomorrow's Sydney Morning Herald. Full story on page 11.

Courier Mail
Throw the facebook at them

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Mm hate social media because it steals their business.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Social media chiefs warned.

Front page of tomorrow's Sydney Morning Herald. Full story on page 11.

Courier Mail
Throw the facebook at them

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What happens when they do remove terorist content from FB, it will just go to another platform , blog etc.

Best keep it where it is where it can be tracked if the government got off their arses and did something.

 

[IKE TURNER]

with new Zealanders wearing Muslim headwear in sympathy for Muslims what a pity Muslims didn't wear berets when all the French were slain...was talking to someone who said Muslim women wear headwear burkkas etc as a personal choice I on the other hand think it is their husband or families choice to make them wear it in most cases and if they chose to walk down the street without it there would be big trouble: other people's thoughts?

 

[petedavo]

with new Zealanders wearing Muslim headwear in sympathy for Muslims what a pity Muslims didn't wear berets when all the French were slain...was talking to someone who said Muslim women wear headwear burkkas etc as a personal choice I on the other hand think it is their husband or families choice to make them wear it in most cases and if they chose to walk down the street without it there would be big trouble: other people's thoughts?

I lived in Malaysia, and have Malay, Somali, Bangladesh, Christmas Islander and Indonesian work colleagues in Perth. I've never come across anything like that. Some do and some don't through personal choice.
You're probably thinking of Iran, where there is a large movement to change laws into wearing it.
I don't think that this discourse adds anything to solving how the Christchurch terrorist got radicalised. It might show how the general community has been falling for xenophobic stereotyping by the radical right.
So tell me where you learnt this urban legend? Who is radicalising you?

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[Slartibartfast]

with new Zealanders wearing Muslim headwear in sympathy for Muslims what a pity Muslims didn't wear berets when all the French were slain...was talking to someone who said Muslim women wear headwear burkkas etc as a personal choice I on the other hand think it is their husband or families choice to make them wear it in most cases and if they chose to walk down the street without it there would be big trouble: other people's thoughts?

What a stupid post.
Ignorance personified.

 

[petedavo]

https://static.theintercept.com/amp/radical-white-terrorism.html

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[petedavo]

https://www.spreaker.com/user/redeye/white-power-movement-a-common-thread-in-

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[Kurve]

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with new Zealanders wearing Muslim headwear in sympathy for Muslims what a pity Muslims didn't wear berets when all the French were slain...was talking to someone who said Muslim women wear headwear burkkas etc as a personal choice I on the other hand think it is their husband or families choice to make them wear it in most cases and if they chose to walk down the street without it there would be big trouble: other people's thoughts?

Generally speaking Ike, I think all men should stay out of womens headscarves business.

 

[Kurve]

I lived in Malaysia, and have Malay, Somali, Bangladesh, Christmas Islander and Indonesian work colleagues in Perth. I've never come across anything like that. Some do and some don't through personal choice.

I reiterate all men imo should stay out of womens headscarves business but it's incorrect to state that all women veil or wear a hijab through personal choice. In the west it's considered choice even if there might occasionally be some pressure to wear one, in other parts of the world to wear a hijab or even burka is law.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Just think for someone to raise the hijab issue in a thread about a mass shooting is poor. Reflects there attitude towards Muslims.

Having said that i worked in refugee camps for a decade, it was highlighted to me by the middle eastern ladies ( Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan ) it is culture that stems from a religious belief.
That is it is tradition. They spoke of not being bothered at all at wearing a scarf. When in their room they would remove it and as someone who was respected when i entered the room they made no effort to cover up the head. It was not like hang on, gotta cover up. It was tradition and not a compulsive action.

I did see groups from certain sectors of Iran who were more strict about headwear for women and would question other women who were not adhering to wearing headwear. They were an exception and not the norm.

They also highlighted the western tradition of women losing their surname in marriage which in their eyes was oppressive and demeaning . For us this is a tradition which is rarely questioned and not perceived as a women being dominated by a man.
Jehovas witness women tradrionally wear a scarf when blessing the meal with her husband at the table as the man is considered the head in this religion.

Tradition can seem funny for those looking on who are not familiar with it but for those who live it it is normal.

Ther niqab (full face covering ) i find oppressive and it is associated with the extreme ends of the Muslim religion and not the mainstream.
In the decade i must have worked with over 15,000 muslims and i can remember two people wearing the niqab.
They were not intergrated with the other muslims in the camps.
They also would not talk to me even though i was the only welfare officer within the camp.

From my experience it was peer group pressure which played a big influence if the scarf was worn against the wearers will.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Tarrant made a 4 figure donation to a right wing activist in Austria, he had his house searched and electronic devices confiscated .

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03...ist-probe-over-new-zealand-shootings/10942764

 

[petedavo]

An alternative view about naming The Christchurch terrorist in MSM.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/03/should-the-names-of-terrorists-never-pass-our-lips/

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[petedavo]

Longer version of Bellingcat investigator's interview with 4corners


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[Kurve]

An alternative view about naming The Christchurch terrorist in MSM.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/03/should-the-names-of-terrorists-never-pass-our-lips/

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We might all be inclined to agree to whatever Jacinda Ardern wants us to do atm and for a PM to not utter his name perfectly acceptable but to expect others to fall in line is asking too much. I've seen twitter swarm all over users for tweeting his name, seriously ... get a grip. That sort of shaming behaviour as example, is what drives people off into private sub forums where you can't reach them any more.

Banning the video I understand and a penalty for downloading/sharing I also get even if ten years jail is totally ott considering what we were subjected to through the ISIS propaganda and recruitment years they were way too slow to do anything about. It took me a long time to get over some of that.

Banning the 70 page manifesto under similar penalty imo is going too far and defies sense. It needs examination so we know what drives them and what to look for. It needs confrontation imo.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Think it is good that political leaders dont mention his name but that does not apply to conversations the media or forums have.
As for the manifesto i dont like it being promulgated but seriously you can never stop it. Censorship does not work.
Mein Kampf is still available.
I think NZ are fearful of copy cats in the immediate future which may have played a part in there decision to outlaw it, i can understand this.

 

[Kurve]

Think it is good that political leaders dont mention his name but that does not apply to conversations the media or forums have.
As for the manifesto i dont like it being promulgated but seriously you can never stop it. Censorship does not work.
Mein Kampf is still available.
I think NZ are fearful of copy cats in the immediate future which may have played a part in there decision to outlaw it, i can understand this.

Some of my Dad's friends and business partners had come out of the concentration camps, they had the tattoo'd numbers and I knew the history. Through the week I was in the care of a Muslim family and weekends running through the houses of jews. My life education and exposure to different cultures partic through the formative years was broad.

I read Mein Kampf when I was 16yo because I knew I wasn't supposed to. It was as much a load of crapp as Tarrant's manifesto.

 

[petedavo]

We might all be inclined to agree to whatever Jacinda Ardern wants us to do atm and for a PM to not utter his name perfectly acceptable but to expect others to fall in line is asking too much. I've seen twitter swarm all over users for tweeting his name, seriously ... get a grip. That sort of shaming behaviour as example, is what drives people off into private sub forums where you can't reach them any more.

Banning the video I understand and a penalty for downloading/sharing I also get even if ten years jail is totally ott considering what we were subjected to through the ISIS propaganda and recruitment years they were way too slow to do anything about. It took me a long time to get over some of that.

Banning the 70 page manifesto under similar penalty imo is going too far and defies sense. It needs examination so we know what drives them and what to look for. It needs confrontation imo.

There is a dispensation for researchers and analysts to register and thus be allowed to retain copies for research and counter terrorism purposes. Unfortunately, for most of the OSINT community armchair detectives will find this all too onerous. My case being in point, however, I haven't bothered with sourcing either even when both were being linked by MSM, as I know far better analyst and researchers than what I could ever be, and thus I just rely upon their analysis of the video and manifesto. I therefore don't think that this is a big issue. If it keeps the Christchurch terrorist propaganda away from those that would be drawn into copycat attacks by his influence all the better IMHO.

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[petedavo]

Bloomberg Opinion

Politics & Policy

How to Prevent Another Attack Like Christchurch

The New Zealand terrorist attack signifies the rising threat from the far-right. Responding will require a mix of education and regulation.

By

Sasha Havlicek

and

Zahed Amanullah

March 26, 2019, 12:00 AM EDT


https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opini...-far-right-terrorist-attack-like-christchurch

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[X_box_X]

What happens when they do remove terorist content from FB, it will just go to another platform , blog etc.

Best keep it where it is where it can be tracked if the government got off their arses and did something.

I don't think you realise how difficult Facebook and other social media platforms are to deal with when investigators request information from them, even to do with Homicide cases.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I don't think you realise how difficult Facebook and other social media platforms are to deal with when investigators request information from them, even to do with Homicide cases.

Its up to the cops to break into these groups. Takes time but they can do it if they spend the money.
if it is on FB they are accessible.
They need to play the part of right wing extremist and develop an on line profile and work there way through the layers of groups. Takes time and commitment and will probably happen now.

 

[petedavo]

I don't think you realise how difficult Facebook and other social media platforms are to deal with when investigators request information from them, even to do with Homicide cases.

Must agree. This account remained on facebook for way too long after the murder, for every Tom Dick and Harry to rubberneck at.
In fact searching facebook still brings up comments from users posted to the removed account.

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