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MOTY - Walker or Krakouer?
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- Jul 31, 2010
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Walkers mark was pretty awesome. I think it LOOKED the best re: height, but IMO Nic Nats was the harder to grab. It is a lot harder to take a big pack mark. Then again, what exactly is the criteria for mark of the year?
I reckon it goes Nic Nat>Walker>(unfortunately, Krak)
IMO Nic Nats' grab had the best of all worlds, looks, difficulty and height.
I reckon it goes Nic Nat>Walker>(unfortunately, Krak)
IMO Nic Nats' grab had the best of all worlds, looks, difficulty and height.
FWIW, Here's some of Billy.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Gezza1967?blend=5&ob=5#p/u/0/E_hJm7DdyoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWfiAoGH6_E
and here's a compilation of some others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtR9mMd0ZwY
And yes, I know how to post a youtube link, do you know how to click on a hyperlink?
http://www.youtube.com/user/Gezza1967?blend=5&ob=5#p/u/0/E_hJm7DdyoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWfiAoGH6_E
and here's a compilation of some others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtR9mMd0ZwY
And yes, I know how to post a youtube link, do you know how to click on a hyperlink?
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What's with the preemptive aggro?
As for what you've posted, the Picken mark was a nice leap but had nowhere near the balance or timing that Walker's did. The compilation I've seen before, and there are definitely some brilliant marks there, but it's 30 years condensed into 8 minutes. Hardly "on a weekly basis".
I've obviously not been watching footy for as long, but the best I've seen are Modra and Burton, and both would have been lucky to take a mark that good once every couple of seasons.
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Also, just on 1-on-1 vs. pack...packs don't move, they're a stationary target for you to leap onto. Solitary players do. Which is why when you look at speccy's, the majority are in pack situations. It's just much easier to time.
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You have to leap from a lot further back though and assuch you debt generally get as high
Jumping on a single back allows you to get closer and basically requires a good vertical leap and not much else
You're under rating the timing And skill required for a pack and over rating both for marks over singular players.
Marks over just one player seem higher as well for whatever reason
I'd still take nicknat for jumping over players not just on for me
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Let me see if I'm following you mdc...
Packs don't move. Although if you're by yourself, then you do move?
So, if I've got this right, you're by yourself, moving, but then if another couple of players arrive, to create a pack, then you all stand still?
I think the source of confusion is that you might be thinking of Krak as part of the pack. He's not. He's running towards it and jumping on it. It's not a "pack mark" (in the contested sense), it's a mark over a pack.
Same as Walker's running towards Carlisle and jumping on him. Except Carlisle is not a stationary target - packs, inevitably, are.
Again, there's a reason speccy's are rarely taken over your direct match-up in the play. It's very, very difficult to do. To get that sort of height and balance as well solidifies it as a classic mark.
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Gotta say the Walker mark reminded me of the one Modra took over Martyn at Footy Park in the 90's. Walker's seemed higher, but both seemed to have the hangtime while they had their knees wrapped around the head of their opponent.
Of the best marks this year for mine it goes.
Nic Nat > Walker > Krak > Petterd
Not much of a prize these days which is a shame because this years winner certainly does deserve something special.
Of the best marks this year for mine it goes.
Nic Nat > Walker > Krak > Petterd
Not much of a prize these days which is a shame because this years winner certainly does deserve something special.
Yeah, I reckon Walker's is the best so far this year.
There's been some fantastic marks though.
Kraks was very special though and you have to consider the time it was taken and how much it lifted everyone, that whole quarter of footy is just the best I have ever seen. Daisy's bomb, Krak's mark, Tazzas goals and the crowd was going ballistic.
There's been some fantastic marks though.
Kraks was very special though and you have to consider the time it was taken and how much it lifted everyone, that whole quarter of footy is just the best I have ever seen. Daisy's bomb, Krak's mark, Tazzas goals and the crowd was going ballistic.
I think Petterd's is underrated. I wasn't wowed by Krak's or Walker's. Thought Nic Nat's was better.
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They are all very similar in the approach although Krakouer seems to come from the side, whether this makes the degree of difficulty higher I don't know. If I had to pick I'd go for Krakouer although the other two may have reached a greater height with their efforts.
On second thoughts Walker's was pretty spectacular. It depends what angle you're looking at them. I always favour overhead marks, though.
- May 27, 2010
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Uhm, ok boss. I'll adhere to your every opinion from now on!!
Please go easy on me this time, I wasn't aware of your stance on this matter beforehand and assumed you'd take the same road as myself.
Tosser.
Haha righto no need to get angry.Uhm, ok boss. I'll adhere to your every opinion from now on!!
Please go easy on me this time, I wasn't aware of your stance on this matter beforehand and assumed you'd take the same road as myself.
Tosser.
Walkers is widely recognised as another level above the other three 'contenders' so I think I am right in saying that a little Collingwood bias is behind many of the judgements on here (not that there is anything wrong with that!)
Oh really?
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if they happen to choose Krakouer's mark over Walker's mark, then so be it.
I do not think that necessarily makes them biased to Collingwood, or have the black and white glasses on, because Walker's is ' widely recognised' as the best, does it?
It may mean that of course, but it may mean that simply they liked the pack mark, taken by Krakouer, better.
In my case, I much preferred Krakouer's mark TBH ( though that means nothing because I'm hopelessly biased...and I admit it
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Who's mad?
Just pointing out how ridiculous I think it is to tell people what to think and then label them negatively when they don't.It may surprise you to learn that not everyone makes decisions based on their allegiances, some people can remain objective.
Besides, how can anyone be right or wrong when it's purely opinion based?
I for one think a big contested mark like Kraks, is more of a spectacle than a one-on-one chest mark, is that ok by you?
Who's mad?
It may surprise you to learn that not everyone makes decisions based on their allegiances, some people can remain objective.
Besides, how can anyone be right or wrong when it's purely opinion based?
I for one think a big contested mark like Kraks, is more of a spectacle than a one-on-one chest mark, is that ok by you?
That is just fine by me but I don't think you could try any harder to overplay Kraks mark and underplay Walkers mark in the same sentence without sounding like something is clouding your judgement.
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They are the signature of Australian Rules.
They are indeed.
And I think that's the exact reason they're rated so highly ( IMO overrated)
But I'd ask anyone who's played any level of footy...how hard are they to do, when you got some sucker like Carlisle standing his ground like a step ladder, compared to taking a Jonathan Brown type mark running back with the flight, then leaping high ( albeit not as high as a hanger
) into the teeth of the oncoming pack to hold onto a mark?Brown type >> Pack hanger >> One on one hanger
Mark with outstretched hands >> Chest mark
Walker demonstrated a good vertical leap, end of story.
Brown type demonstrates courage++++, judgement, coordination
Not comparable IMHO.
Though i do agree one IS more speccy than the other...I'd hope the judges look beyond that.
They are indeed.
And I think that's the exact reason they're rated so highly ( IMO overrated)
But I'd ask anyone who's played any level of footy...how hard are they to do, when you got some sucker like Carlisle standing his ground like a step ladder, compared to taking a Jonathan Brown type mark running back with the flight, then leaping high ( albeit not as high as a hanger
Brown type >> Pack hanger >> One on one hanger
Mark with outstretched hands >> Chest mark
Walker demonstrated a good vertical leap, end of story.
Brown type demonstrates courage++++, judgement, coordination
Not comparable IMHO.
Though i do agree one IS more speccy than the other...I'd hope the judges look beyond that.
Brown's marks are gutsy no doubt, but i would rarely consider them speccy's. Walkers was epic, Kraks and Nic Nats were awesome too. Not as brave, for sure, but awesome none the less.
