Rumour Neale-y premiership time! (was: Neale before the Lions!)

[mpal6]

Step one: We give Richmond 8 for 16 + 26,We give Brisbane 16 + 27 and pay them $260k to clear the 3 years they over paid lachie for the front ended contract, we get Lachie back ( give him the Cerra offer 4 years @ $750k may be front end loaded so he gets his $800k for the first 2 years )
Step two: Hopefully we get pick 6 from Carlton for Cerra. We then give Brisbane 6 for 14 + 18.
Result Freo have picks 14,18,26 Brisbane have 6,16,27 Richmond have 7,8

Bell won't hand over 8. If he gets his hands on 6, that's definitely not coming out either. This trade is very unlikely to eventuate. We can all spitball for 500 pages and come back next year.

 

[Hogwild]

I really think the Dockers will want something in the first round for this year as there are some highly touted WA youngsters.
They would want to keep one of 6 or 8 OR at worst get 14 back.
So its more likely 6/8 and their 2022 second rounder for Neale. We use our 2022 1st rounder elsewhere - more likely to move up the 2021 draft.

Zero chance Fremantle give up 6 and 8
Highly likely they keep both
Stalemate
From there anyone's guess

 

[M Malice]

Lachie has at least 3-4 quality years left in him, surely the Dockers hierarchy think they are in a flag window during that time, if that is the case the Dockers will want to get the deal done, IMO 6 or 8 will be the starting point.

 

[Hogwild]

Bell won't hand over 8. If he gets his hands on 6, that's definitely not coming out either. This trade is very unlikely to eventuate. We can all spitball for 500 pages and come back next year.

Spot on - will all come down to whether Brisbane hold Neale to contract in the face of a Freo low ball ( given the fact that this is his second rodeo maybe Bris should hold the line )

 

[Section 5]

Not sure why the club resigned Matho for 2 years if they did not know about a possible Neale move
Matho gives his all, loves the club but really can only play as an inside mid. He has quite a few deficiencies for a regular AFL mid
So just backup for mine and he takes up a list spot

It has been reported the Lions don't have much cap space
Hopefully Birchall, Archie Smith

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& Ballenden were all an good coin as i believe they are OFC.
With Neale reduced salary for the next two years we will need to do some culling if we want a replacement player anywhere near Neale's output
Is their such a thing as a middle ($ wise) contract

We most likely just go to the draft.
Maybe pick up someone young from another club we have had an eye on that's not getting much of an opportunity.
A gamble but aren't we a destination club now

 

[mpal6]

Spot on - will all come down to whether Brisbane hold Neale to contract in the face of a Freo low ball ( given the fact that this is his second rodeo maybe Bris should hold the line )

Neale is on a good wicket either way. If he stays and gets back to full fitness he'll be a good chance for another Brownlow. If we go deep in finals it'll be a cherry on top, feather on the cap etc.

I'm waiting to see how much Bell runs his own rodeo this time or whether he gets told from upstairs to get this deal done and bring Neale back. That's an interesting side story for me.

 

[Daniels Riches]

Zero chance Fremantle give up 6 and 8
Highly likely they keep both
Stalemate
From there anyone's guess

If Freo keep 6 and 8, can't see any way Neale is in purple next year.

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[The Flying Belgian]

It's interesting the way this is being reported. Most of the time in these kind of circumstances one of the parties is from Victoria, so at least one of the journos there will have the news leaked to them to report. In this case the Vic footy media don't have much of an idea as their normal sources aren't involved and they are clearly grasping for the actual story.

As I've posted previously, the clubclearly didn't know anything beyond a vague idea (and I don't think this was ever that much of a secret) that he would return to Perth at some stage. Certainly not this year. If Lachie or his management leaked it, then we would have likely heard about a request to be traded from yesterday's meeting. That only leaves the story originating from a family member or friend or Freo leaking the "story" to force the issue out into public realm.

 

[Quigley]

Pardon the intrusion but I come in peace - am a Crows fan but live in Brisbane and watch a lot of the Lions matches with kids and other mates and have a soft spot for your mob.

There's no doubt Neale has done the dirty on his club and team mates but I think if Brisbane play their hand well this might just be the making of your team.

I've been impressed like everyone else with the improvement under Fagan but I do think realistically that you've reached a plateau (3-6th position) that reflects your quality at this time and you'll need to do something different to break through for a flag. I think the midfield combo (with Neale at the heart) is one-paced and this bombshell can be the catalyst for you to find that improvement.

I've seen the suggested Parker for Neale swap ideas and I think that has merit insofar as you get a like for like replacement, save some salary cap space and should get some juicy draft picks in the bargain as well. However I don't think it addresses the fundamental flaw with your midfield. IMHO you should be best chasing the best young (21-25yo), dynamic midfielder in the league (Shai Bolton would have been perfect but he's off the market) with a fat contract to come to a team that will be in contention for some time to come.

Bailey Smith, Connor Rozee, Zak Butters, Tim Taranto, Tom Greene would be the kind of names I'd be lining up and offering 5x$750 type offers for to see if you could dislodge an up and coming champion who would complement your midfield mix.

You make a good point but getting those young mids here is more easily said than done. One of the reasons I quite like the idea of Parker is that we would not need to give up any picks to get him and he is actually very good forward of the ball. Him going forward at times will allow Rayner to play midfield time next year which I think could be transformative for the midfield. It also would work in nicely when Ashcroft comes in next year who is shaping as one of the top 2 in next year's draft. Parker is not quick but his defensive run is reasonable and his leadership is also well regarded.

Not giving up picks also allows us the scope to bring in multiple young players and develop them. Our current picks are in the range of the Port picks from a couple of years ago and as they showed if you can nail multiple picks in that range then it can change the dynamic of your team. It also should help improve that bottom 5 of the starting 5 and our depth which is a bit of a need.

So going with Parker as a medium term option might hopefully allow us to have our cake and eat it to.

 

[Gadzorks]

Not sure why the club resigned Matho for 2 years if they did not know about a possible Neale move
Matho gives his all, loves the club but really can only play as an inside mid. He has quite a few deficiencies for a regular AFL mid
So just backup for mine and he takes up a list spot

It has been reported the Lions don't have much cap space
Hopefully Birchall, Archie Smith & Ballenden were all an good coin as i believe they are OFC.
With Neale reduced salary for the next two years we will need to do some culling if we want a replacement player anywhere near Neale's output
Is their such a thing as a middle ($ wise) contract

We most likely just go to the draft.
Maybe pick up someone young from another club we have had an eye on that's not getting much of an opportunity.
A gamble but aren't we a destination club now

Pre this SNAFU the stated club policy was go to the draft. Roar Deal.

We are a destination club but that requires two things

1. cash and we haven't planned to have cash in hand and if Lachie was getting front loaded we don't get a load of cash freed up for a big fish.

2. Big fish to know we are in the market. Too late this year. Thanks Lachie, love your work. Not. Don't care if he wanted to leave, care that he didn't respect anyone in the lions club to work with them on this issue.

Father Fagan would have been a sight over the past two days. Years of careful planning, and investing in relationships flushed away by one player. Cause things change no matter what happens, and trust in that relationship is dead.

 

[mpal6]

oh wow, just noticed my post is the book mark on Neale D&T thread.

Wearing the badge proudly and prancing around !! Doesn't matter which page you go, you see me on top !!

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Not sure why the club resigned Matho for 2 years if they did not know about a possible Neale move
Matho gives his all, loves the club but really can only play as an inside mid. He has quite a few deficiencies for a regular AFL mid
So just backup for mine and he takes up a list spot

Depth. While we've copped some injuries this year, our midfield wasn't truly tested. I think at most we might have been missing a maximum of Neale and Berry in any given week (not counting Cam who I don't put in the midfielder class just yet).

 

[Elixuh]

It's interesting the way this is being reported. Most of the time in these kind of circumstances one of the parties is from Victoria, so at least one of the journos there will have the news leaked to them to report. In this case the Vic footy media don't have much of an idea as their normal sources aren't involved and they are clearly grasping for the actual story.

As I've posted previously, the clubclearly didn't know anything beyond a vague idea (and I don't think this was ever that much of a secret) that he would return to Perth at some stage. Certainly not this year. If Lachie or his management leaked it, then we would have likely heard about a request to be traded from yesterday's meeting. That only leaves the story originating from a family member or friend or Freo leaking the "story" to force the issue out into public realm.

Doubt it was a family member of the reporter had it for 4-5 days and leaked for the nightly news the day after we were out of finals. Screams of a club leak.

 

[Hogwild]

Neale is on a good wicket either way. If he stays and gets back to full fitness he'll be a good chance for another Brownlow. If we go deep in finals it'll be a cherry on top, feather on the cap etc.

I'm waiting to see how much Bell runs his own rodeo this time or whether he gets told from upstairs to get this deal done and bring Neale back. That's an interesting side story for me.

He got burned with Hogan that way - can't see him repeating it.

 

[mebevan]

Years of careful planning, and investing in relationships flushed away by one player. Cause things change no matter what happens, and trust in that relationship is dead.

THIS 100%

 

[Nuggo]

If Neale wants to break the contract then he and his manager need to convince Freo of a worthy trade. All we do is say yes or no to whatever deals are put in front of our Management Team. We say to Lachie yes we will try and get you to WA but we also owe it to the other players and fans to be compensated.

How much do Freo really want him - who knows, but I am pretty sure we do not want him to leave.

 

[Quigley]

He got burned with Hogan that way - can't see him repeating it.

Bell has made one poor decision after another and Freo have gone nowhere under his stewardship. He knows if he is going to keep his job you need to be making finals and pretty much next year. He will go hard as he always does but he needs to make a deal as much as anyone. I have said previously 6 (8) or 8 (10) plus next years second is where I see it ending up and Bell can certainly sell that as a win for Freo.

FWIW I actually didn't mind Hogan this year at GWS. When he got away from the outside influencers in the west he looked a lot better. He does need to get on the park more regularly but with a year under his belt I think he can do very well for GWS next year.

 

[Hogwild]

Bell has made one poor decision after another and Freo have gone nowhere under his stewardship. He knows if he is going to keep his job you need to be making finals and pretty much next year. He will go hard as he always does but he needs to make a deal as much as anyone. I have said previously 6 (8) or 8 (10) plus next years second is where I see it ending up and Bell can certainly sell that as a win for Freo.

FWIW I actually didn't mind Hogan this year at GWS. When he got away from the outside influencers in the west he looked a lot better. He does need to get on the park more regularly but with a year under his belt I think he can do very well for GWS next year.

If you think Bell was the problem you have zero idea about the history of the FFC.

 

[Quigley]

If you think Bell was the problem you have zero idea about the history of the FFC.

He is the one in control and has been for a couple of years. If you think he is not going to be the one to take the fall if they don't turn things around next year you also have zero idea.

 

[mpal6]

well, it depends what you want. Do you really want a certain player at pick 6?

Serious question.

Carlton offers pick 6 to Brisbane for picks 14 and 18, would you look at it or walk away?

Look at all the mock drafts this year. Some really good talent going between 11 and 25.

This is a decent year to hold 2 picks in teens.

 

[Football Pope]

If Freo keep 6 and 8, can't see any way Neale is in purple next year.

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At the moment Freo only hold picks 8 & 27...not enough currency there to entertain trading in Neale...They need a minimum of 3 for the draft...They will need to be be creative and off load players with a bit of currency...

 

[FLVanLandingham]

eugh my fingers are sore from the wasteful scrolling from extra posts from randos supporters

Some journos are going a bit hard it seems... I'm too unexperienced with the trade dynamics, but if it was Freo who leaked it, is that beneficial to the trade going ahead? or not. All this goes over my head some times....

 

[Harris Specter]

If you think Bell was the problem you have zero idea about the history of the FFC.

Looking in from the outside, yes this is exceptionally marvelous work by Bell.

Step 1) Trade out one of their best players just as he's entering his prime
Step 2) Blow the draft capital earned on Hogan
Step 3) Trade back the original player for overs when he's older.

I'm sure it's just another feather though.

 

[Gadzorks]

eugh my fingers are sore from the wasteful scrolling from extra posts from randos supporters

Some journos are going a bit hard it seems... I'm too unexperienced with the trade dynamics, but if it was Freo who leaked it, is that beneficial to the trade going ahead? or not. All this goes over my head some times....

Trades can start out logical and considered, with information leaked in the hope it strengthens the leak-ers hand.

But then wanna be footballers who have clawed their way to list manner get a froth going and it's anyone's game.

 

[dlanod]

Looking in from the outside, yes this is exceptionally marvelous work by Bell.

Step 1) Trade out one of their best players just as he's entering his prime
Step 2) Blow the draft capital earned on Hogan
Step 3) Trade back the original player for overs when he's older.

I'm sure it's just another feather though.

You forgot Step 2.5 - trade out Hogan for a pick in the 50s, IIRC.