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Karps was always going to be a longer term project, glad he has a year over Colledge. I would rookie Newman over Colledge, and I hope the dopers pick Colledge up and I hope he gets a few games.
 

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Stereophonic said:
Well that was actually a 5 star Rant Grennick, seems like you have pulled us all down now and are beating us with experience. And I love the class you show in rebutting a statement by countering with "absolute bullshit". Maybe that is how bogans argue their point, but surely you are better than that. You have found one article that you believe supports your case, in a sea of conflicting evidence, but we do know that those before the CJS often have a history of mental illness and psychosis. To believe otherwise, I may think that perhaps you are Tommy Chong.

Now I think there is evidence to back this up, there is also, I conceded evidence to suggest that cannabis could be used to treat schizophrenia, but before you hit out with your holier than thou sentiment consider that:

"In recent months, new research has explored some of these issues. One study led by Dr. Serge Sevy, an associate professor of psychiatry at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, looked at 100 patients between the ages of 16 and 40 with schizophrenia, half of whom smoked marijuana. Sevy and colleagues found that among the marijuana users, 75% had begun smoking before the onset of schizophrenia and that their disease appeared about two years earlier than in those who did not use the drug. But when the researchers controlled for other factors known to influence schizophrenia risk, including gender, education and socioeconomic status, the association between disease onset and marijuana disappeared."

Source: Time: A complex link between Marijuana and Schizophrenia. http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2005559,00.html

Now I acknowledge that the research can be hard to interpret, but I think the above speaks volumes and backs up what I have said.
Can we not accept that any offending is bad form?
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Stereophonic said:
Go and argue this before the Magistrate, let me know when you are, Ill come watch.
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Try as I might, I can't make sense of these two posts

Your assertion that 50% of cannabis users develop schizophrenia was hopelessly wrong and your view that a magistrate would care about somebody doing a line of coke is also wrong
 
greennick said:
Well, I think what a magistrate thinks about it is obvious. If Carlisle was found in possession of a few grams of cocaine he would likely get a suspended sentence or a fine and a spent conviction. Newman got a year in jail. Surely it is obvious that Newman's crime is far worse than Carlisle's in the eyes of a magistrate? I'm not saying Carlisle didn't commit an offence, however his offence was lower on the scale than driving while drunk IMO, let alone assaulting someone. It's more of a health issue than a criminal issue and should (and would) be treated as such.
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Carisle is white and from Vic. Newman is aboriginal and from WA. Even if they were charged with the exact same crime, Newman would get longer.

I'm not disputing the severity of Newman's crime, it just does people good to understand that in WA, you wouldn't want to have aboriginal back ground and front a court.
 
the harry said:
Carisle is white and from Vic. Newman is aboriginal and from WA. Even if they were charged with the exact same crime, Newman would get longer.

I'm not disputing the severity of Newman's crime, it just does people good to understand that in WA, you wouldn't want to have aboriginal back ground and front a court.
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Wut.
 
the harry said:
Carisle is white and from Vic. Newman is aboriginal and from WA. Even if they were charged with the exact same crime, Newman would get longer.

I'm not disputing the severity of Newman's crime, it just does people good to understand that in WA, you wouldn't want to have aboriginal back ground and front a court.
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What about Williams from the Pies?
 
the harry said:
Comparing the two is foolish on multiple fronts.

Even if the crimes were anything alike, everyone who is not in WA is well aware about how the WA judiciary treats aboriginal people.
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As a WA admitted lawyer, I am interested in where you have found the evidence that aboriginal people on average, get heavy sentences for the same offences committed than does a white person (or at least I think this is what you are alleging).

You sure you not confusing the higher average rate of incarceration per head of population, which is something entirely different and based on aboriginal people having a greater exposure to the Court system (entirely a different social issues)?

Pretty comfortable saying Newman didn't get the sentence he did because he was of aboriginal extraction. He got it for being a dick and in particular, because it wasn't a spontaneous act of violence!
 

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the harry said:
Comparing the two is foolish on multiple fronts.

Even if the crimes were anything alike, everyone who is not in WA is well aware about how the WA judiciary treats aboriginal people.

To point to the sentence as evidence of anything is flawed to a not insignificant degree.
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White people who commit similar assaults also go to jail for a period of time generally. I don't think Newman got a year because the judge was racist. It was because he was a dick who knocked someone out in an unprovoked attack over a girl.

Moving away from just Newman, if you compare the average sentences for people committing assault to the average sentences for simple possession, you will find those committing assault go to jail for a lot longer.

I would be interested to see some evidence for your point that the judiciary sends aboriginals with similar records who commit similar crimes as white people away for longer. We all know far too many aboriginal people are in jail, but that is because far too many of them commit crimes, are shit at hiding them, have existing records and have little positive going in their lives to justify leniency.
 
greennick said:
White people who commit similar assaults also go to jail for a period of time generally. I don't think Newman got a year because the judge was racist. It was because he was a dick who knocked someone out in an unprovoked attack over a girl.

Moving away from just Newman, if you compare the average sentences for people committing assault to the average sentences for simple possession, you will find those committing assault go to jail for a lot longer.

I would be interested to see some evidence for your point that the judiciary sends aboriginals with similar records who commit similar crimes as white people away for longer. We all know far too many aboriginal people are in jail, but that is because far too many of them commit crimes, are shit at hiding them, have existing records and have little positive going in their lives to justify leniency.
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The major difference With Indigineous incarcerations is being able to afford a top lawyer or to even understand your rights Or get good advise with what to say or not to say in any police statements .I don't know this as fact but just a casual observation Which I imagine that a lot of Indigineous prisoners with poor education or advice and no real understanding of how the court process works .
To use it as a excuse in Newman's case is Imo wrong .
 
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eagles rule said:
The major difference With Indigineous incarcerations is being able to afford a top lawyer or to even understand your rights Or get good advise with what to say or not to say in any police statements .I don't know this as fact but just a casual observation Which I imagine that a lot of Indigineous prisoners with poor education or advice and no real understanding of how the court process works .
To use it as a excuse in Newman's case is Imo wrong .
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This is very true. Also the case with poor white bogans too that I have seen in the system. However, much more likely to be an issue with indigenous people. The free lawyers aren't much chop compared to a John Prior or similar.
 
garlic munchers said:
As a WA admitted lawyer, I am interested in where you have found the evidence that aboriginal people on average, get heavy sentences for the same offences committed than does a white person (or at least I think this is what you are alleging).

You sure you not confusing the higher average rate of incarceration per head of population, which is something entirely different and based on aboriginal people having a greater exposure to the Court system (entirely a different social issues)?

Pretty comfortable saying Newman didn't get the sentence he did because he was of aboriginal extraction. He got it for being a dick and in particular, because it wasn't a spontaneous act of violence!
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You admit to being a lawyer?
 

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