List Mgmt. Next Generation Academy List

[maddog37]

Just on this, what’s the go with Geelong supporters, whinging and moaning about Marra, did they have him in their academy or something at one stage?

He lived in a south west vic coastal town which instantly equates to Geelong is his home town even if it’s 200km away from his actual hometown.

 

[dogwatch]

An assumption that they are entitled to anyone west of Werribee.

 

[hatescaptcha]

If changes do ago ahead regarding the tier system that was proposed then that bodes well for us landing Kobe Williams if he nominates us instead of Hawks as he has been in our academy for awhile it seems.


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[Westerndog11]

Just on this, what’s the go with Geelong supporters, whinging and moaning about Marra, did they have him in their academy or something at one stage?

Geelong thinks they own the South west. They play AFLW games in Warrnambool and have a Pre-Season training camp down here too. This is what I don’t understand about supporters wanting to give up games in Ballarat, other clubs are actively working in our backyard and people want us to do less for our Next Generation Academy area.

 

[Sentinel]

Just on this, what’s the go with Geelong supporters, whinging and moaning about Marra, did they have him in their academy or something at one stage?

It appears to be a complete fallacy based on him attending a few clinics as a 12 year old.

The NGA zones were announced in February 2016, which included the Warnambool region for us. Jamarra was 13 at the time of this announcement, and my understanding is that he was part of our development squad from early on. There was no such thing as any zones or academies prior to 2016 under which Geelong would have had claims to him (mind you as someone younger than 13 years old even if they did somehow have it) or the region.

Geelong fans point towards some podcast (below, 12 minute mark) where Matthew Stokes was whinging about him being taken off them because he was supposedly being involved in their "aboriginal programs since he was about 12" (i.e. 1 year before the zones were announced, and whatever these programs were they never had anything to do with any bidding rights). The article I linked further down mentions Stokes himself only met him when he was 15 years old so I would guess he is talking out of his arse, purely because Geelong for some reason feel entitled to all of western Victoria.

How the Western Bulldogs have set Ugle-Hagan up for success

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan says the fun went out of football last season but the way the Western Bulldogs have handled their prized No.1 pick has set his career in the right direction.

www.theage.com.au

 

[VitalDread]

A interesting little note

Generally

AFL website releases the NGA pool for it's year well before May

So wonder if things are changing for the NGA this year since they haven't released the data yet

 

[VitalDread]

Some notes from the latest Age article on NGA plus a bit of digging on my end

I'll break it up

-AFL clubs are concerned about the lack of resources for the NGA System as the wages for extra scouting staff are in the soft cap
-AFL clubs want it outside of the cap to allow for more talent to be scouted and brought into their systems
-Zones are expected to be re-worked
-Top 40 Pick Protection expected to be removed
-AFL investigating what is the best pathway to use NGA talent eg Private Schools etc


My digging
-Dogs won't be badly affected by a reworked zone. They have long term commitments to their zones via community works
-Likely Top 15 pick protection
-AFL likely expanding the Cat B rules to further help NGA players get into AFL systems

 

[Dale4captain]

Some notes from the latest Age article on NGA plus a bit of digging on my end

I'll break it up

-AFL clubs are concerned about the lack of resources for the NGA System as the wages for extra scouting staff are in the soft cap
-AFL clubs want it outside of the cap to allow for more talent to be scouted and brought into their systems
-Zones are expected to be re-worked
-Top 40 Pick Protection expected to be removed
-AFL investigating what is the best pathway to use NGA talent eg Private Schools etc


My digging
-Dogs won't be badly affected by a reworked zone. They have long term commitments to their zones via community works
-Likely Top 15 pick protection
-AFL likely expanding the Cat B rules to further help NGA players get into AFL systems

Are you hearing the possibility of an undrafted NGA list spot, operating outside the cap?

So that once all drafts are complete, if you have an eligible 18yr old on your NGA who has not been picked up by any team you have a free shot to grab them.

 

[JohnnySteel]

Some notes from the latest Age article on NGA plus a bit of digging on my end

I'll break it up

-AFL clubs are concerned about the lack of resources for the NGA System as the wages for extra scouting staff are in the soft cap
-AFL clubs want it outside of the cap to allow for more talent to be scouted and brought into their systems
-Zones are expected to be re-worked
-Top 40 Pick Protection expected to be removed
-AFL investigating what is the best pathway to use NGA talent eg Private Schools etc


My digging
-Dogs won't be badly affected by a reworked zone. They have long term commitments to their zones via community works
-Likely Top 15 pick protection
-AFL likely expanding the Cat B rules to further help NGA players get into AFL systems

Is this likely to take effect this year or next? Can live with a top 15 pick protection.




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[VitalDread]

Are you hearing the possibility of an undrafted NGA list spot, operating outside the cap?

So that once all drafts are complete, if you have an eligible 18yr old on your NGA who has not been picked up by any team you have a free shot to grab them.

The undrafted NGA list spot is already in effect
Tristan Tweedie was on Hawks NGA list and we signed him for free as part of the Cat B system

Some ideas floated (i don't expect these to happen) are another draft similar to rookie for NGA undrafted or AFL teams pre-sign them to their Ressie teams and can train throughout the season with them

 

[VitalDread]

Is this likely to take effect this year or next? Can live with a top 15 pick protection.




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I would strongly believe it would be this year

A lot of clubs are asking for the protection to be removed and Lauren Kane gone on record that it will be changing to some degree this year

 

[Mojorisin]

I would strongly believe it would be this year

A lot of clubs are asking for the protection to be removed and Lauren Kane gone on record that it will be changing to some degree this year

The recruiter I speak to is working under the interpretation that it'll be a first round protection this year until actual change is confirmed, so a top 15 protection sounds about right.

 

[VitalDread]

Mac Andrews and Leek Aleer are prime examples of why NGA is so important

Dogs have a strong African pool of players over the next 5 years
Hopefully we see more lads follow Buku footsteps

 

[JohnnySteel]

Is Isaac Abbay in our NGA? Nice size 190cm. Haven’t heard much about his ability.


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[VitalDread]

Is Isaac Abbay in our NGA? Nice size 190cm. Haven’t heard much about his ability.


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Yep he's part of our NGA
Was 187cm last year so slowly growing
Was mainly playing at Half back during the academy series

I don't watch a lot of under 18s league
So unsure how he's gone overall this year

 

[VitalDread]

Mid-Season update
2006 Age Bracket:
Robbie Cockerell- 185cm 12/06/2006 3 Games, 1 G 7.3 Disposals per game Western Jets
Deacon Fawcett: 187cm 27/01/2006 2 Games, 8 Disposals per game Western Jets
Seth Fawcett: 185cm-27/01/2006 2 Games, 6.5 Disposals per game Western Jets
Isaac Abbay: 190cm 17/12/2006 Playing Local Footy atm
Riely Collins: 176cm 26/03/2006 4 Games, 17 disposals per game Sandringham Dragons
Khalil Kaakour: 167cm 25/05/2006 3 games 1 Goal 7.7 Disposals per game Calder Cannons


In our zone but unable to connect to our Academy
Xavier Kardachi: 186cm 15/04/2006 7 Games, 22 Disposals per game Western Jets
Keighton Matofai-Forbes: 188cm 02/02/2006 6 Games, 11.3 Disposals per Game 8 Goals Western Jets

 

[Doggy]

Mid-Season update
2006 Age Bracket:
Robbie Cockerell- 185cm 12/06/2006 3 Games, 1 G 7.3 Disposals per game Western Jets
Deacon Fawcett: 187cm 27/01/2006 2 Games, 8 Disposals per game Western Jets
Seth Fawcett: 185cm-27/01/2006 2 Games, 6.5 Disposals per game Western Jets
Isaac Abbay: 190cm 17/12/2006 Playing Local Footy atm
Riely Collins: 176cm 26/03/2006 4 Games, 17 disposals per game Sandringham Dragons
Khalil Kaakour: 167cm 25/05/2006 3 games 1 Goal 7.7 Disposals per game Calder Cannons


In our zone but unable to connect to our Academy
Xavier Kardachi: 186cm 15/04/2006 7 Games, 22 Disposals per game Western Jets
Keighton Matofai-Forbes: 188cm 02/02/2006 6 Games, 11.3 Disposals per Game 8 Goals Western Jets

Doesn't look like much there unfortunately

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Riely Collins

I so desperately hope this isn't a typo so we can add Riely to Riley, Rhylee, Ryley, and Rylie

 

[VitalDread]

I so desperately hope this isn't a typo so we can add Riely to Riley, Rhylee, Ryley, and Rylie

Hahaha
It's actually his name

 

[Hoges64]

Hahaha
It's actually his name

No offence as you would probably know more than the internet on these guys, and definitely more than me, but are you sure?

Riley Collins

central.rookieme.com

 

[VitalDread]

No offence as you would probably know more than the internet on these guys, and definitely more than me, but are you sure?

Riley Collins

central.rookieme.com

Dogs NGA staff doing me dirty haha

 

[VitalDread]

AFL Clubs provided some feedback on major issues to be fixed
A lot of it is covering the NGA

Overall clubs:
-The Crows are also challenging the academy systems, though they do not want academies to stretch as far as South Australia, as that would mean an unwelcome return to zones.
-
Brisbane would like to keep the points system for academy players the same, but is open to adjustments to the next generation academies.

-Blues are keen to have a next generation academy zone, which they initially declined when they were introduced. The city of Bendigo is firmly on the wishlist.

-the Pies are strong on the need to set a fair market price for academy, NGA and father-son players. They believe clubs still need to be encouraged to invest in NGA talent.

-Essendon believes the northern academies and NGA systems need to be reviewed.

-the Dockers would like changes to the NGA and father-son system.

-Contrary to many Victorian clubs, Gold Coast is adamant academy list rules should be retained for northern clubs, and rules should be adjusted to allow other clubs better access to players in their NGA's.

North:
The other philosophical view the club has relates to the draft. It believes rules for father-son players, academy players and NGA players should all be the same.

They also believe if you're father-son eligible, then you shouldn't be NGA-eligible.

-The Tigers believe the cuts made to Indigenous and multicultural programs during the pandemic were never replenished, which could have long-lasting effects on the influence of First Nations footballers on the league.

Dogs:
The Dogs are also strong on list management issues and, like Collingwood, are keen for the AFL to bed down a longer term strategy on academies, mid-season trading, concessions for Tasmania and list sizes.

 

[Mojorisin]

AFL Clubs provided some feedback on major issues to be fixed
A lot of it is covering the NGA

Overall clubs:
-The Crows are also challenging the academy systems, though they do not want academies to stretch as far as South Australia, as that would mean an unwelcome return to zones.
-
Brisbane would like to keep the points system for academy players the same, but is open to adjustments to the next generation academies.

-Blues are keen to have a next generation academy zone, which they initially declined when they were introduced. The city of Bendigo is firmly on the wishlist.

-the Pies are strong on the need to set a fair market price for academy, NGA and father-son players. They believe clubs still need to be encouraged to invest in NGA talent.

-Essendon believes the northern academies and NGA systems need to be reviewed.

-the Dockers would like changes to the NGA and father-son system.

-Contrary to many Victorian clubs, Gold Coast is adamant academy list rules should be retained for northern clubs, and rules should be adjusted to allow other clubs better access to players in their NGA's.

North:
The other philosophical view the club has relates to the draft. It believes rules for father-son players, academy players and NGA players should all be the same.

They also believe if you're father-son eligible, then you shouldn't be NGA-eligible.

-The Tigers believe the cuts made to Indigenous and multicultural programs during the pandemic were never replenished, which could have long-lasting effects on the influence of First Nations footballers on the league.

Dogs:
The Dogs are also strong on list management issues and, like Collingwood, are keen for the AFL to bed down a longer term strategy on academies, mid-season trading, concessions for Tasmania and list sizes.

Alot of this is common sense to me. I love the father-son system and NGA academy although a fairer price needs to be paid, and that isn't making those players unavailable in the first round etc, which just discourages teams putting money into the programs.
Also completely agree with Father sons not being eligible for Academies.
Personally I think with the addition of NGA we don't need the other academies and non Vic clubs should just have a larger zone.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Dogs NGA staff doing me dirty haha

No, I think you're right - it's spelt Reily on the Sandringham Dragons website.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

AFL Clubs provided some feedback on major issues to be fixed
A lot of it is covering the NGA

Overall clubs:
-The Crows are also challenging the academy systems, though they do not want academies to stretch as far as South Australia, as that would mean an unwelcome return to zones.
-
Brisbane would like to keep the points system for academy players the same, but is open to adjustments to the next generation academies.

-Blues are keen to have a next generation academy zone, which they initially declined when they were introduced. The city of Bendigo is firmly on the wishlist.

-the Pies are strong on the need to set a fair market price for academy, NGA and father-son players. They believe clubs still need to be encouraged to invest in NGA talent.

-Essendon believes the northern academies and NGA systems need to be reviewed.

-the Dockers would like changes to the NGA and father-son system.

-Contrary to many Victorian clubs, Gold Coast is adamant academy list rules should be retained for northern clubs, and rules should be adjusted to allow other clubs better access to players in their NGA's.

North:
The other philosophical view the club has relates to the draft. It believes rules for father-son players, academy players and NGA players should all be the same.

They also believe if you're father-son eligible, then you shouldn't be NGA-eligible.

-The Tigers believe the cuts made to Indigenous and multicultural programs during the pandemic were never replenished, which could have long-lasting effects on the influence of First Nations footballers on the league.

Dogs:
The Dogs are also strong on list management issues and, like Collingwood, are keen for the AFL to bed down a longer term strategy on academies, mid-season trading, concessions for Tasmania and list sizes.

Super overview Vital. Thanks so much for providing the detail behind the various clubs positions. Lots of self-interest involved clearly mixed with some “how do we support the players” in many instances. Appreciated