No Need For That, Neil.....

[alex_is_on_fire]

For those that dont like Craigy, who should be our coach?

Look at what Port are going through atm? How many "quality" coaches are banging their door down, they will ger Primus by default. There are not that many coaches of the Malthouse ilk going round at the minute.


Also back in 2004 our other and for some (including me) preferred coaching option was Terry Wallace. We dodged a bullet there.

Todd Viney has a fantastic pedigree; Chris Scott, Peter Sumich, Gavin Brown, and Brenton Sanderson are just a few very likely candidates who have a good football pedigree.

We don’t always have to go for the senior citizen coach; we can also look at a young coach newly out of the game who will understand the gen z’ers

 

[Glenno23]

So he didn't implement the same game plan as circa 2005? hence making him and the team predictable?

Get numbers behind the ball to eliminate that level of skill needed to win the contest. Kill the contest with pressure by having 2 or 3 players in each contest and then run it out?

Yeah, the game plan is almost identical to 2004 / early 2005?

We don't have the most skillful side so we have to make up for it in other areas, he's about being and staying competitive, flooding will keep poorly skilled sides in the contest. But hand me that tin foil hat if you must but it wont change the fact we are a poorly skilled side who rely on flooding to stay competitive.

I wasn't saying you needed the tin foil hat. More screwpunt for his ridiculous conspiracy's that NC was being like a politician and acting up for the cameras. Which is just plain bullshit.

NC was not happy with the loss last night. I'm not saying it was the most attractive of gameplan's last night, but if we had taken them on in a shootout, we would've lost by 90 points. We just don't have the cattle or the experience in the cattle that played last night to compete with the top of the table

Its sad that its come to this, but NC did last night what he felt would give us our best chance for a win. I'm sure if given the option, he would love to return to last years 2nd half of the season form, but thats not an option right now. Hopefully from round 1 2011 it is

 

[Geoffa32]

Todd Viney has a fantastic pedigree; Chris Scott, Peter Sumich, Gavin Brown, and Brenton Sanderson are just a few very likely candidates who have a good football pedigree.

We don’t always have to go for the senior citizen coach; we can also look at a young coach newly out of the game who will understand the gen z’ers

Sir Alex Ferguson does allright..........

Our sport is one of the few that seems to dictate that once a coach hits 50 their time in the game is limited.

Part of coaching is having life experience.

 

[fryingpan]

Disagree strongly! Loved it in his press conference with Bock the other day when he was blunt and angry, loved it when he didn't shake Bock's hand and loved it when he showed some emotion last night. It's been a tough week for Craig but great to see how passionate he is about the club.

 

[thebirdman 24]

Never thought Neil Craig having passion and dedication to the job was a problem, it was more his inability to make changes and all that. I remember him talking about running patterns once and that puzzled me a bit as we could become very predictable as we have if we don't allow players creativity. Symes handball to Thomas was very predictable, hes been doing that for weeks and it just gets over the player but obviously Thomas was a bit too clever.

I didn't watch most of the match but i think we did pretty well to get within 3 points against the top team. If we can get some form, players and A LOT more depth we will be very good, coaching match day hasn't been too bad but i would still do a very thorough analysis of everyone in the club. Especially fitness coaches and assistants.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Sir Alex Ferguson does allright..........

Our sport is one of the few that seems to dictate that once a coach hits 50 their time in the game is limited.

Part of coaching is having life experience.

Of course, age is but a number however the way you positioned the question; you had only one option, a senior citizen coach. I was replying with; there are other options to look at as well.

Part of coaching is also being able to engage, motivate and understand where your players head is.

 

[screwpunt]

I wasn't saying you needed the tin foil hat. More screwpunt for his ridiculous conspiracy's that NC was being like a politician and acting up for the cameras. Which is just plain bullshit.

Hang on how do you definitively know this,

heres the reality

A criticism of Craig has been his lack of emotion, his robotic style

Cameras are trained on coaches to get the ubiquitous dummy spit

Craig is seen with his arm around his two young players ( orrhhhh look at that he loves them, and they love him )

Craig is seen having a dummy spit ( ohhhrrrhhh look at that Craigy has passion lets give him an extension for 8 years )

Do you think Craig is beyond using the media to position himself as the fatherly coach who is passionate !

The fact is you dont know and I got this from the sushi train guy that Ugo Collosante goes to

 

[Rave Slave]

For those that dont like Craigy, who should be our coach?

Look at what Port are going through atm? How many "quality" coaches are banging their door down, they will ger Primus by default. There are not that many coaches of the Malthouse ilk going round at the minute.


Also back in 2004 our other and for some (including me) preferred coaching option was Terry Wallace. We dodged a bullet there.

Too right, that's why there's only ever been 16 coaches in the last few years who've just alternated between the teams

You do know that even the quality coaches throughout history started off as untried coaches?

I'd happily see an untried candidate take charge at our club if they were adjudged to be the right candidate after a thorough review process (ie not the same process that saw Craig anointed).

 

[Gets!]

shocking thread.

LOVED seeing some passion, it was sensational!!!

 

[gravedanger1]

Hang on how do you definitively know this,

heres the reality

A criticism of Craig has been his lack of emotion, his robotic style

Cameras are trained on coaches to get the ubiquitous dummy spit

Craig is seen with his arm around his two young players ( orrhhhh look at that he loves them, and they love him )

Craig is seen having a dummy spit ( ohhhrrrhhh look at that Craigy has passion lets give him an extension for 8 years )

Do you think Craig is beyond using the media to position himself as the fatherly coach who is passionate !

The fact is you dont know and I got this from the sushi train guy that Ugo Collosante goes to

I know you...Your that guy that always leaves the game early..

 

[Bicks]

Ridiculous thread!!!!

 

[kulak]

Having not seen the match, I read an article about the post match press conference, where he said:

“We’ve got a very young side tonight, so to keep that sort of effort up was always going to be a big ask, but I couldn’t have asked any more from our players and we wear the loss in the end.”

...and I thought: Great, as usual giving the players excuses for a close loss, Blighty would not have stood for this constant choking, etc...

But then I read this thread.

Presumably there is a great gap between what Craig says to the media about what happened - where he always defends the players, makes excuses for close losses - and what Craig communicates to the players.

 

[Jilly]

Having not seen the match, I read an article about the post match press conference, where he said:

“We’ve got a very young side tonight, so to keep that sort of effort up was always going to be a big ask, but I couldn’t have asked any more from our players and we wear the loss in the end.”

...and I thought: Great, as usual giving the players excuses for a close loss, Blighty would not have stood for this constant choking, etc...

But then I read this thread.

Presumably there is a great gap between what Craig says to the media about what happened - where he always defends the players, makes excuses for close losses - and what Craig communicates to the players.

Craig also said that he didn't want that kind of attitude to become part of our culture. Part of the reason Craig wanted to win, aside from the obvious, was that he wants to create a winning culture around the club. He doesn't want players to just think "Oh well, we played really well, that's what matters." That kind of attitude will not win you premierships.

 

[Stiffy_18]

On the footy show 5 minutes ago Goldsack stated that " Adelaide are predictable "

given this board is wildly pro Craig and anyone who makes any negative Craig comments is vilified, it is interesting that this comment was made by an opposition player

This is why Craig should be sacked he has no imagination, cant motivate Gen Y players, has failed to get the side match fit, disregards the need for a genuine ruckmen, devalues SKILL, messes with young forwards head and thinks Charlie Walsh has something to offer

He should be sacked immediately, of course he wont and we will be having the same discussion next year

It is not so much about next year, the Craig legacy could see Adelaide non competitive for 5 years, Craig inherited Roo, Macca, Goody, Birdman, Edwards, this is why his win loss % is so good, lets see how his win % is in 2 years time

SACK HIM

Err predictability is a good thing. Awsome Brisbane teams were highly predictable. Current Geelong is highly predictable. Collingwood is highly predictable. St. Kilda is predictable.

Predictable teams are the ones contending becuase they all know what they need to do and how to do it. Its a matter of doing it better than the other team.

Everyone knew how the great Brisbane team was going to play. They were very predictable in everything but they still won because they were highly efficient in their predictability. Its the teams that are unpredictable that have been perennial losers.

 

[Macca19]

This is why Craig should be sacked he has no imagination, cant motivate Gen Y players, has failed to get the side match fit, disregards the need for a genuine ruckmen

How are Maric and Griffin not genuine ruckmen?

 

[TDRP]

Hang on how do you definitively know this,

heres the reality

A criticism of Craig has been his lack of emotion, his robotic style

Cameras are trained on coaches to get the ubiquitous dummy spit

Craig is seen with his arm around his two young players ( orrhhhh look at that he loves them, and they love him )

Craig is seen having a dummy spit ( ohhhrrrhhh look at that Craigy has passion lets give him an extension for 8 years )

Do you think Craig is beyond using the media to position himself as the fatherly coach who is passionate !

The fact is you dont know and I got this from the sushi train guy that Ugo Collosante goes to

Facts are it's irrelevant...

What most would care about is that we took the top team on their home ground to within a kick with a team consisting of:

Young, Schmidt, Jaensch, Sloane, Henderson, Davis, Symes, Douglas, Mackay, Dangerfield, Sellar, Walker

Hardly the Harlem Globetrotters out there.

And just because you can sit there and say... oh my gosh but they didn't win and their not going to win the flag and Craigy's a crap coach doesn't actually fix anything.

let's even all agree for a moment that NC is playing us like a reality tv audience where we're all going to vote him into the house on the back of his bench talk... It still doesn't matter!

By all means play devils advocate... but at least hang you arguments on something we might all respect you for instead of the pedantic absurdities given so far...

Back to you.

 

[subaru]

I take on board everything you've all said...but I should have probably made the point that was it necessary after THIS game?

Maybe he should have cracked the shits when we lost to teams we SHOULDN'T have lost to.

Or lost when we were in winning positions.

And fair enough we want to see some emotion but it is against everything he says in his controlled manner when fronting the media.

It's round 21 FFS ...bit late for histrionics now I think.

 

[subaru]

I agree had every right to be peeved of.

I've been peeved all year!

FFS - OMG - STFU - stupid thread.

Oh really.

EDIT - not you Chief

Subaru you should be embarrassed. Disgusting thread. People whinge about Craig's perceived lack of personality and emotion, now he gets a bit upset about a loss and you tell him to calm down?

It's a bit late in the day to start this ...and the loss was against the top team.
You should be embarrassed. I was embarrassed losing to Richmond ... not the Pies.

What a horrific thread.

As a known critic of Craig I have to say I've LOVED what I've seen from Neil Craig in the last week. Telling the AFL it's shit, smashing his headset down, making a crazy move like Young onto O'Brien (which was pure awesome). More volatile, unpredictable Craig please. This is what our club needs!

Like I said ...it's Round 21 ...

surely OP is taking the piss????

i thought it was the highlight of the year!

OP should be embarrased by her lack of understanding!

Lack of understanding ??? I understood perfectly well that the Collingwood game was a terrific effort from the Crows ... not the one you crack the shits at them for. Crack the shits when we lose to Port/Melbourne/Richmond/ not Pies! If Crows get close next week, will he chuck another hissy fit???

Epic fail thread.

That was the best coached game from Craig since 2005.

And one of the best performances by the team ... why crack it then is all I'm saying.


Geez ... disappointment is one thing , but be disappointed when you should be , not when you've got within a kick of one of the probable Grand Finalists!

Seriously, I am astounded that you all think that loss was the worst.

 

[jenny61_99]

For god's sake Subaru... how can you blame him for unleashing some bottled up frustration? Who cares if it were after the Richmond/Port or Pies game - as long as it's there! It's been the worst year since he took over and it's finally taken it's toll.

He doesn't show emotion - people aren't happy, he does show emotion - people aren't happy. Some people just aren't happy - period.

 

[SugarShane]

For god's sake Subaru... how can you blame him for unleashing some bottled up frustration? Who cares if it were after the Richmond/Port or Pies game - as long as it's there! It's been the worst year since he took over and it's finally taken it's toll.

Just because we didn't see it after the Richmond/Port games doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe those weeks he started fuming on the way to the rooms but waited til he got there and then drop punted some auskick kids.

I don't blame him, i felt the exact same way. Yet another 2010 wasted opportunity, and yet another heart breaker to Collingwood. At some point that has to take its toll. And if it means seeing some emotion from an otherwise icy bloke then i'm all for it.

 

[subaru]

For god's sake Subaru... how can you blame him for unleashing some bottled up frustration? Who cares if it were after the Richmond/Port or Pies game - as long as it's there! It's been the worst year since he took over and it's finally taken it's toll.

He doesn't show emotion - people aren't happy, he does show emotion - people aren't happy. Some people just aren't happy - period.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't do it ...I'm saying it's too late to do it (and not the game to do it after) and that he should have done it sooner, and that this game was one where the team played well....

Do it after a shit performance.

Fair enough if he "bottled up emotion" about the Bock thing, he wore crap for picking Bock over Davis and he has every right to be pissed off...but if that is what he's pissed off about ...say so.

You seem to think I have a problem with the actions .. I don't ...I have a problem with the TIMING of these actions....

 

[Gary17]

He doesn't show emotion - people aren't happy, he does show emotion - people aren't happy. Some people just aren't happy - full stop.

Edited to remove Americanism and replace with Australianism

 

[Sekaj]

This is what Goldhacks coach had to say

"I'd rather win the game easily but Adelaide don't give that to us since I've been coaching,'' he said.

"Neil Craig, he's I think totally underestimated, I think he does a fantastic job and it's never easy against him.

"This game was always going to be a game that Neil Craig doesn't allow his players to play dead.

"And it was earmarked in my diary as going to be a game that will go to the wire. Again and again and again against Adelaide. I think that's a great trait of a coach to ensure his players play the year out.''

So in fact Craig is predictable if you believe Mick

But seriously Neils display was not so much about losing a close game.
He just heard there was a hung parliament and was waiting for the Big Footy fallout.

I don't really believe much of what Mick Malthouse tells the media to be honest.

What he says to the press and what he really thinks can be two totally different things. More often than not, he tries to use them to his advantage rather than as a means of communicating his actual thoughts.

You really think his lying to the press about what he said to Milne was "for the greater good of the game"?

 

[*PAF]

...
Look at what Port are going through atm? How many "quality" coaches are banging their door down, they will ger Primus by default. There are not that many coaches of the Malthouse ilk going round at the minute.
...

Bit harsh on Primus. He is into the so called "final round" of interviews thorugh merit and not by default.
I have never understood why only experienced coaches should get the jobs, that is just as bad as picking sides based on games played.

...

Also back in 2004 our other and for some (including me) preferred coaching option was Terry Wallace. We dodged a bullet there.

The way I recall it, the beef on this board was not directed at Craig getting the job but on the process itself, or rather perceived lack of process.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I thought that show of emotion was great from Craigy. He's bloody sick and tired of losing those types of games, and so am I.

Actually at the same moment Craigy was throwing his headphones I was throwing my remote. We were perfectly in sync.