No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 3

[Virgin Dog]

Hardly think the saints look more enticing.

Carlton maybe

Who would you choose?

The drug cheats who haven't seen anything close to success in 15 years, have a very poor game plan that only works against bad and middle table teams, and where you will probably make less money.

OR

The club who were inches away from a premiership within the last decade (even if they haven't done anything since), are willing to offer enormous money, and don't have a tainted reputation for cheating the system?

I'd still choose Carlton and Hawks any day of the week over Saints, but Essendon is even further behind

 

[ScragCity]

Essendon are a good example of how assembling a bunch of mercenaries isn't always the best way to build a list. They are the most gutless side in the top half of the ladder by far. They don't play for each other. They don't do the desperate stuff. Watching them makes me love the fact that we built our list from the ground up and have a bunch of blokes who play for each other and play for the coach, rather than playing for a big contract and the prestige of a big name club.

 

[godoggies15]

His best game was probably vs. Hawthorn and that was still a pretty quiet game by his standards.

He should be the player who goes to another level in a final but seems to have the opposite affect when the pressure mounts up.

Yep...clearly I am bored so went back to game stats and yes Hawthorn is best game 14 disposals 3 goals and Adelaide 12 disposals 2 goals.....and I'm with you AF that in finals it is the Stringers of this world that should be setting the standards and going to another level during finals....and last night he was deplorable....Essendon needed a spark and you would think the very players that provide that spark would be a Stringer or Tippu and yet they weren't up to it

 

[Fossie 32]

Essendon are a good example of how assembling a bunch of mercenaries isn't always the best way to build a list. They are the most gutless side in the top half of the ladder by far. They don't play for each other. They don't do the desperate stuff. Watching them makes me love the fact that we built our list from the ground up and have a bunch of blokes who play for each other and play for the coach, rather than playing for a big contract and the prestige of a big name club.

A highlight this year was the game where two of them ignored the ball and went off the interchange while the opposition waltzed off and kicked a goal

 

[Yojimbo]

Essendon are a good example of how assembling a bunch of mercenaries isn't always the best way to build a list. They are the most gutless side in the top half of the ladder by far. They don't play for each other. They don't do the desperate stuff. Watching them makes me love the fact that we built our list from the ground up and have a bunch of blokes who play for each other and play for the coach, rather than playing for a big contract and the prestige of a big name club.

Every club in the competition has players from other clubs including ours, most of the Essendon aliens
are former DFA's Hartley, Brown, McKernan, Clarke, and Dea. Can these posts be held back until we
win on Saturday, please.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Essendon are a good example of how assembling a bunch of mercenaries isn't always the best way to build a list. They are the most gutless side in the top half of the ladder by far. They don't play for each other. They don't do the desperate stuff. Watching them makes me love the fact that we built our list from the ground up and have a bunch of blokes who play for each other and play for the coach, rather than playing for a big contract and the prestige of a big name club.

This. Its something that should be kept in mind whenever somebody bleats about us not being able to land a big fish. 2016 was built upon drafting and canny trades, not the likes of Dylan Shiel.

In related news, I see that Carlton are claiming to be a destination club this morning. One hopes that proves to be a formula as successful as the Essendon model.

 

[Fossie 32]

Every club in the competition has players from other clubs including ours, most of the Essendon aliens
are former DFA's Hartley, Brown, McKernan, Clarke, and Dea. Can these posts be held back until we
win on Saturday, please.

Good point bit of light relief to ease the nerves I guess

 

[WallyStringhaus]

What a satisfying evening of sports watching that was;

Bombers thumped with Stringer having a mare.

Poms thumped with Smith scoring a double century.

Boomers remain undefeated.

Great start to the weekend!

 

[NBates]

Oh and yes I hate Essendon too, always moving or trying to move in on our Western Suburb heartland.... they don't represent you! They dont represent battlers!

Not a truer word was spoken, but rest easy. Biggest mistake they made (after Hird's secret herbs and spices recipe) was moving to Tullamarine. Lol. Just makes me smile. We've still got our traditional home- they peed theirs off. They always tried to infiltrate the West, but they've always been from the wrong side of the river (Maribyrnong that is). Now they're further away than ever.

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[Norm De Guerre]

Every club in the competition has players from other clubs including ours, most of the Essendon aliens
are former DFA's Hartley, Brown, McKernan, Clarke, and Dea. Can these posts be held back until we
win on Saturday, please.

Of course they do. However, I note that you conveniently leave Shiel, Stringer and Saad from your list when countering Scrags actual point about mercenaries.

How many of those DFA's are only on their list due to their drug cheating tendencies?

 

[Yojimbo]

Of course they do. However, I note that you conveniently leave Shiel, Stringer and Saad from your list when countering Scrags actual point about mercenaries.

How many of those DFA's are only on their list due to their drug cheating tendencies?

Devon Smith and James Stewart, that's all ten Norm 10 out of 46 hardly the foreign legion, we have
nine if you include Tom Boyd and Ryan Gardner hardly a huge point of difference. Drug cheats are
everywhere Norm, but the good ones don't get caught. (Think Phone Book)

 

[0utsider]

Of course they do. However, I note that you conveniently leave Shiel, Stringer and Saad from your list when countering Scrags actual point about mercenaries.

How many of those DFA's are only on their list due to their drug cheating tendencies?

In fairness the players they’ve recruited have been some of the more impressive players on their list over the last couple of seasons. Saad, Shiel and Devon Smith have all been shining lights in a poor side.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Devon Smith and James Stewart, that's all ten Norm 10 out of 46 hardly the foreign legion, we have
nine if you include Tom Boyd and Ryan Gardner hardly a huge point of difference. Drug cheats are
everywhere Norm, but the good ones don't get caught. (Think Phone Book)

In fairness the players they’ve recruited have been some of the more impressive players on their list over the last couple of seasons. Saad, Shiel and Devon Smith have all been shining lights in a poor side.

The point being made though is that landing high profile/high cost recruits is not necessarily a panacea for what ills a club.

Drafting, canny recruitment and a coach with vision a viable game plan and an ability to galvanize 40 disparate personalities is.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

If I’m correct then Stringer has played in 5 finals and has not fired in any of them.

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He's had moments, you must admit. Just not enough of them.
Elim = one pretty good goal in the last
Semi = 3 goals, gave us some hope of an improvement from him
Prelim = one good tackle, the tap-on to Dahlhaus, and the last kick to Dickson
GF = that snap

Edit: in the Adelaide game apparently he was ok, but as I have never watched a replay of it when the following year took over, it's wiped from my memory.

 

[dogwatch]

The point being made though is that landing high profile/high cost recruits is not necessarily a panacea for what ills a club.

Drafting, canny recruitment and a coach with vision a viable game plan and an ability to galvanize 40 disparate personalities is.

But what club could possibly have all of those attributes?

 

[Yojimbo]

The point being made though is that landing high profile/high cost recruits is not necessarily a panacea for what ills a club.

Drafting, canny recruitment and a coach with vision a viable game plan and an ability to galvanize 40 disparate personalities is.

True, Richmond was the best side last year, but not at finals time. Some times it is just timing and luck.
Essendon made the top eight, but their percentage was very poor well below several teams who missed
the finals.

 

[Yojimbo]

But what club could possibly have all of those attributes?

Most of the ones who hoist up the cup, even us.

 

[dogwatch]

Most of the ones who hoist up the cup, even us.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

But what club could possibly have all of those attributes?

Brisbane. If we go out before the GF, I want them to win it.

 

[Yojimbo]

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Oh I got it dog-watch, that time. Stay humble.

 

[dogwatch]

Essendon are a good example of how assembling a bunch of mercenaries isn't always the best way to build a list. They are the most gutless side in the top half of the ladder by far. They don't play for each other. They don't do the desperate stuff. Watching them makes me love the fact that we built our list from the ground up and have a bunch of blokes who play for each other and play for the coach, rather than playing for a big contract and the prestige of a big name club.

The GWS side for tomorrow is imposing. It has probably got more star quality than any other AFL 22. They were assembled in a different manner to the Essendon list of course.

If we beat them it’ll be the champion team > the team of champions thing. Not because our individual players match up better across the ground.

 

[Yojimbo]

The GWS side for tomorrow is imposing.

Davis, De Boer, Keefe, Shaw, Sheridan, Ward, D.Buckley, Deledio, Simpson, Mumford, Reid, that's eleven
players from other clubs more than Essendon, it's an outrage, it's, it's relatively normal in AFL terms.

 

[dogwatch]

Davis, De Boer, Keefe, Shaw, Sheridan, Ward, D.Buckley, Deledio, Simpson, Mumford, Reid, that's eleven
players from other clubs more than Essendon, it's an outrage, it's, it's relatively normal in AFL terms.

True.
It’s not the point I was making but since you mention it, GWS’s acquisition strategy is probably unique in the AFL. It’s quite creative and makes an interesting contrast to the way GCS went about it ... and failed.

They operate on TPP credit, staying just a step ahead of the bailiff. To get themselves out of trouble they cash in some of their sub-prime assets every year (E.g. Tom Boyd and any number of other trades over the last 5 years). In return they get either a useful player or - more often - another high draft pick which keeps the strategy going.

It was premised on the mountain of draft picks and concessions they got (and still get through their “academy”) and allows them to assess each high profile draftee for a year or so before deciding whether to keep them long term or move them along. It’ll eventually run out of momentum but it’s served them well for nearly a decade so far.

As to the players you listed, only about half are playing tomorrow and some of their acquisitions (E.g. Ward, Scully, +?) were procured under special startup arrangements. So comparisons with Essendon might be a bit tenuous.

 

[Yojimbo]

West Coast: 21-7-133
Western Bulldogs: 10-12-72
Loss by 61 Points

West Coast: 17-14-116
Essendon: 9-7-61
Loss by 55 Points

You are only as good as your last game at the same venue versus the same opponent, me I will choose
to stay humble and not poke the bear, until we win then brace for impact bear.

 

[King Harold]

Hard for me to hate Essendon, I grew up in the area and it was the team I picked when I had to barrack for someone. Late 90s early 00s nostalgia. Happy to hate Geelong all day every day though.

Well get a grip on reality mate.
Get your head together and think it through.