No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 4

[jdz101]

And it's completely the wrong stance

Eh not so sure about that here...it's a very unusual result from an attempted smother.

It's the classic Jack Ziebell defense when he used to launch himself and catch guys up high.

I wAs In ThE aIr So I hAd No CoNtRoL.

Well yes

1. You can still control your body position - which he very much did.
2. If you choose to launch in the air into people you have to wear the consequences. This is the way it is when guys jump into hits in the NHL and the concussions are far worse there.

 

[doggies ftw]

Melbourne fans losing it over the Maynard incident.

Clearly went to smother the ball and then protected himself in mid air as contact was coming.

Anyone calling for a ban here clearly hasn’t played much football. Sick of seeing duty of care rubbish.

You can’t avoid contact once you leave the ground. At the point he leaves the ground he has no intention to make contact, his intention is to smother. If he doesn’t attempt to smother he would be crucified by the coaches.

Does he elect to bump? No
Does he make a play on the ball? Yes - to smother.
Does he go past the ball? No - Brayshaw kicks the ball past him.

If he goes for that then you can no longer legitimately go for the ball.

At the end of the day football is a contact sport and unfortunately even fair play results in contact and occasionally unfortunate outcomes

I love the argument that he could have turned a different way to protect Brayshaws head, the MRO ****wits judge these incidents on a super slowmo replay - do they not realise that there’s literally a split second from the time Maynard leaves the ground to contact?

 

[Doggy]

I love the argument that he could have turned a different way to protect Brayshaws head, the MRO *******s judge these incidents on a super slowmo replay - do they not realise that there’s literally a split second from the time Maynard leaves the ground to contact?

It's an absolute lottery ... look at Pickett on Bailey Smith.. deserved 4 weeks but Bailey got up so yeah not so bad despite the clear intent

McCartin 2 weeks to getting off

System is shit

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Melbourne fans losing it over the Maynard incident.

Clearly went to smother the ball and then protected himself in mid air as contact was coming.

Anyone calling for a ban here clearly hasn’t played much football. Sick of seeing duty of care rubbish.

You can’t avoid contact once you leave the ground. At the point he leaves the ground he has no intention to make contact, his intention is to smother. If he doesn’t attempt to smother he would be crucified by the coaches.

Does he elect to bump? No
Does he make a play on the ball? Yes - to smother.
Does he go past the ball? No - Brayshaw kicks the ball past him.

If he goes for that then you can no longer legitimately go for the ball.

At the end of the day football is a contact sport and unfortunately even fair play results in contact and occasionally unfortunate outcomes

All well and good, my man, but he had no right to biff our number 13 like that.

I mean, I got so angry I spilled my cheese platter all over my LNP cohort!

 

[Doggy]

All well and good, my man, but he had no right to biff our number 13 like that.

I mean, I got so angry I spilled my cheese platter all over my LNP cohort!

Good thing you had your chamois to help clean up

 

[Jeff 1975]

The first Melbourne player running straight out the center was going to cop it
He new what he was doing

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Good thing you had your chamois to help clean up

A 2 chamois job, actually!

If not for my club coloured poncho, it would've ruined the Gucci moleskins!

 

[Doggy]

The first Melbourne player running straight out the center was going to cop it
He new what he was doing

This is a strange take

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Maynard couldn’t really do anything else after he jumped to spoil. Brayshaw’s momentum pretty much took him underneath Maynard.

I wouldn’t mind if we had a big tough committed player like Maynard.

But Van Rooyen lined up McStay.

 

[St 07]

The first Melbourne player running straight out the center was going to cop it
He new what he was doing

This was my instinct as well. Brayshaw knew contact was coming and played for a down the field. Unfortunately the contact came accidentally high in a pressure act.

If Maynard had intention to hurt, he would be lined up his body and not left the ground. Could have literally run through him and given a 50.

Nothing to see.

 

[Jeff 1975]

This was my instinct as well. Brayshaw knew contact was coming and played for a down the field. Unfortunately the contact came accidentally high in a pressure act.

If Maynard had intention to hurt, he would be lined up his body and not left the ground. Could have literally run through him and given a 50.

Nothing to see.

Yes and no, I think he was hurt and the Collingwood player has a rep

Melbourne play in a straight in a line when on, Collingwood stop that

It took Melbourne half the game for their midfield to get going

Similar to the Geelong Hawthorn game years ago

 

[ossie_21]

Should be nothing for Maynard, he plays on the edge but he was trying to smother or at least impact the kick. Tough as it looked like a midfield structure breakdown that gave Brayshaw an unopposed runway to the edge of the square & Maynard had to come the other way and was positioned directly towards him.

Looking at the slow mo, Brayshaw also makes ZERO attempt to protect himself. On instinct alone you do something, he was a complete statue and looked to just be watching where his kick was going.

JVR was was a clumsy cheap shot, not severe impact as McSquib returned so probably gets away with a week. Have to check the matrix but careless, high contact and low impact being a week seems right.

The matrix needs to be ****ed off altogether, but that’s another story

 

[bresker]

Yeah , you can’t fault Maynard if Brayshaw refuses to protect himself.

Why should it be up to Maynard to turn his body ? Why can’t the other bloke ?

Who the hell manages to get concussed from an attempted smother ? Granted it’s early in the game and the blood is up from both parties . But the only time you see see players concussed in smothers is when they get kicked in the head .

 

[jdz101]

Yeah , you can’t fault Maynard if Brayshaw refuses to protect himself.

Why should it be up to Maynard to turn his body ? Why can’t the other bloke ?

Who the hell manages to get concussed from an attempted smother ? Granted it’s early in the game and the blood is up from both parties . But the only time you see see players concussed in smothers is when they get kicked in the head .

The guy smothering usually has his arms up and cops one in the ribs if the kicker ends up underneath him or just does a fly by. (99% of cases). This has ended in the smothering guy in a hip and shoulder position cleaning someone's clock.

The kicker is the defenseless player. The defender is the guy making the choice to initiate contact and jump into an out of control position.

The careless act IS the jumping into a players space. The unfortunate consequences are the contact that follows being severe. You are still responsible for the careless act.

Not many smothers end like this.

If this gets dismissed as a 'football act', the AFL caring about concussions is a complete joke.

Are all the "dangerous tackles" that got suspended not football acts? A tackle is a football act last I checked.

 

[Mojorisin]

The kicker is the defenseless player. The defender is the guy making the choice to initiate contact and jump into an out of control position.

The careless act IS the jumping into a players space. The unfortunate consequences are the contact that follows being severe. You are still responsible for the careless act.

Not many smothers end like this.

If this gets dismissed as a 'football act', the AFL caring about concussions is a complete joke.

Are all the "dangerous tackles" that got suspended not football acts? A tackle is a football act last I checked.

What would you prefer Maynard do in that case? His only other option was to stay down and watch the ball sail over his head for a I50 and more then likely a goal. If it played out this way he wouldve copped a spray from the coach.

 

[jdz101]

What would you prefer Maynard do in that case? His only other option was to stay down and watch the ball sail over his head for a I50 and more then likely a goal. If it played out this way he wouldve copped a spray from the coach.

I've edited the post you've quoted to include what happens basically all the time in that situation.

Implying Maynard is an innocent little flower that's scared of his coach and doesn't put a ton of mustard on all physical contact is incorrect in my view. He did what Maynard usually does, the outcome was horrific. Doesn't mean he wasn't careless.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Melbourne spend a goodly part of the last minute sooking to the umpires instead of going for the win.

So we can safely assume the dissent rule is a thing of the past now? Except if it’s Buku…

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

What would you prefer Maynard do in that case? His only other option was to stay down and watch the ball sail over his head for a I50 and more then likely a goal. If it played out this way he wouldve copped a spray from the coach.

It’s not careless to jump up and try to spoil or smother the ball. Brayshaw ran into him before he even landed. Maynard only had time to turn his head to one side. An accident.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

It's an absolute lottery ... look at Pickett on Bailey Smith.. deserved 4 weeks but Bailey got up so yeah not so bad despite the clear intent

McCartin 2 weeks to getting off

System is s**t

The game is risky!

 

[ossie_21]

I've edited the post you've quoted to include what happens basically all the time in that situation.

Implying Maynard is an innocent little flower that's scared of his coach and doesn't put a ton of mustard on all physical contact is incorrect in my view. He did what Maynard usually does, the outcome was horrific. Doesn't mean he wasn't careless.

Hard to say it wasn’t careless when accidents happen. This was different to a lot of smothers that generally come from the side. It was an accident and unfortunately Brayshaw got an early nap. In contact sports I’d call it a “coming together”, both players momentum created the contact and it’s hard to foresee that was going to be the outcome. Accidents can happen, accidents in contact sport can happen but the result should never determine the outcome.

If he wasn’t knocked out, there wouldn’t even be a discussion happening. That sort of thing is generally a downfield free, get on with the game. If he had of left the ground to “make him earn it”, then it’s a whole different story.

If anything it was pretty poor from Maynard that he didn’t just flap his arms and continue flying over him.

 

[Dogs 13]

The guy smothering usually has his arms up and cops one in the ribs if the kicker ends up underneath him or just does a fly by. (99% of cases). This has ended in the smothering guy in a hip and shoulder position cleaning someone's clock.

The kicker is the defenseless player. The defender is the guy making the choice to initiate contact and jump into an out of control position.

The careless act IS the jumping into a players space. The unfortunate consequences are the contact that follows being severe. You are still responsible for the careless act.

Not many smothers end like this.

If this gets dismissed as a 'football act', the AFL caring about concussions is a complete joke.

Are all the "dangerous tackles" that got suspended not football acts? A tackle is a football act last I checked.

He did have his arms raised as the ball was kicked, then brought them down on the way down.
Hopefully no case to answer.

What would you prefer Maynard do in that case? His only other option was to stay down and watch the ball sail over his head for a I50 and more then likely a goal. If it played out this way he wouldve copped a spray from the coach.

Maybe he should have just stayed in the air ninja or Matrix style.

 

[Iamspock]

I'm not sure if anybody has seen this yet, but will be very interesting when our membership renewals come out... I sit in Boundary Silver reserved seating, and have social club membership, looking on the map i this post, it is called something else, possible by Nrth Melbourne. I hope were don't have to pay up to yet another level for the same seating we have had for 23 years.

It was posted by Chidwiko.

North Melbourne appears to be the first of the Marvel Stadium 'home' teams who has come out with their 2024 membership packages so far, and in doing so they've revealed a pretty crappy situation that is going to impact all teams who play home games at Marvel.

As part of the Marvel Stadium redevelopment project, the Level 2 bays (between 34 - 39~) which were previously available to club members are now being withheld by the AFL for a new 'AFL premium reserved seating' category.

See the NMFC 2024 membership map below:

According to the NMFC membership team member I spoke to, this is impacting all Marvel Stadium home teams.

Anyone (like me) who previously had a reserved seat on the Level 2 wing as part of a premium club membership will now have to relocate, most likely into bays 26-29 behind the goals.

This is crap.

This feels like the AFL once again punting the actual club members at the expense of corporate tickets.

 

[Freshwater]

I'm not sure if anybody has seen this yet, but will be very interesting when our membership renewals come out... I sit in Boundary Silver reserved seating, and have social club membership, looking on the map i this post, it is called something else, possible by Nrth Melbourne. I hope were don't have to pay up to yet another level for the same seating we have had for 23 years.

It was posted by Chidwiko.

North Melbourne appears to be the first of the Marvel Stadium 'home' teams who has come out with their 2024 membership packages so far, and in doing so they've revealed a pretty crappy situation that is going to impact all teams who play home games at Marvel.

As part of the Marvel Stadium redevelopment project, the Level 2 bays (between 34 - 39~) which were previously available to club members are now being withheld by the AFL for a new 'AFL premium reserved seating' category.

See the NMFC 2024 membership map below:

According to the NMFC membership team member I spoke to, this is impacting all Marvel Stadium home teams.

Anyone (like me) who previously had a reserved seat on the Level 2 wing as part of a premium club membership will now have to relocate, most likely into bays 26-29 behind the goals.

This is crap.

This feels like the AFL once again punting the actual club members at the expense of corporate tickets.

This is what we get when we have eastern suburbs, silver spoon, private school types, not just running the great game that was always for all demographics, but running every single thing to do with it. Now I’m a level 3. general admission regular and they’ve even roped off what used to be ‘first in best dressed’ up there. It has definitely got worse since the AFL took over ownership. As long as the players and coaches and AFL executives can live their opulent lifestyles. Keep squeezing the common man.

 

[JTCWBFC]

Makes me angry that we aren't playing finals & you've got a team with fk all talent in the Saints playing this weekend.

What a waste of a year & looks like the club's doing fk all about it.

"High performance organisation" my ass.

 

[_Cerberus_]

AFL catering to rich snobs who don't even show up to most of their games, at the expense of fans who bleed their clubs colors. Surprise surprise.

I also stand by the fact, that I think all AFL board positions should be up for election every 5 years, with the President, CEO, Coach, Captain and VC from all 18 clubs voting on all positions. Break up the boys club for good and hold the league to standards, instead of having a few frat boys dictating which direction the game goes.