Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XIII

[Lore]

I'm hijacking this whole thing that I'm barely reading to push my own agenda, but team effort and intensity could easily be measured by a bot running on a few lines of coding which would use models to come to it's conclusion, without the need of any eyes watching the game at all.

The line at it's core would just be: Did team perform under expectations? If YES, effort and intensity was poor.

because in all my time watching football, that's how everything under the 'effort' umbrella works. got your arse kicked? shit effort, stirring victory? amazing effort, and so on

I can't recall too many instances of a team performing massively under the expectation we set for them but everyone gushing over how hard they try. I don't see anyone saying North were so hard at the ball last week non that we were soft and lazy. The 'effort' stuff is the absolute lowest form of analysis, and also the foundational stone for all analysis in football. People do it because "you can't control how quick you are, or how skilled you are, but you can control how HARD you try!" and so accusing a team/player of poor effort is supposed to be this incredibly cutting critique, but it's actually piss weak because of the sheer predictability of how such criticism gets dished out. (hence why a bot could do it) I like to think coaches love how obsessed the media/fans are over effort because it acts as a decoy to a team's actual problems. You can easily address the issue by acknowledging that the effort wasn't good, and then you get to work understanding what actually happened

What exactly would you like to define as "expectations"? Because if that's the line you're running with then I think the JLT showed that expectations were well out of step with the reality, both internally and outside the club.

Use round 1 as a baseline. Re-evaluate your expectations based on that. Then look at round 2.

 

[rumply]

Engadine Maccas, 1997.

I continue to live & learn...

 

[Zach Package]

What an odd last couple of pages

 

[militiaa]

Spewing a little bit Buddy will probably pass Lloydy's goal kicking record tonight. Been on the cards for a while but now that it's here, yeah gagf.

What about poor John Coleman

 

[doug85]

I continue to live & learn...

 

[sameolds33]

I'm hijacking this whole thing that I'm barely reading to push my own agenda, but team effort and intensity could easily be measured by a bot running on a few lines of coding which would use models to come to it's conclusion, without the need of any eyes watching the game at all.

The line at it's core would just be: Did team perform under expectations? If YES, effort and intensity was poor.

because in all my time watching football, that's how everything under the 'effort' umbrella works. got your arse kicked? shit effort, stirring victory? amazing effort, and so on

I can't recall too many instances of a team performing massively under the expectation we set for them but everyone gushing over how hard they try. I don't see anyone saying North were so hard at the ball last week non that we were soft and lazy. The 'effort' stuff is the absolute lowest form of analysis, and also the foundational stone for all analysis in football. People do it because "you can't control how quick you are, or how skilled you are, but you can control how HARD you try!" and so accusing a team/player of poor effort is supposed to be this incredibly cutting critique, but it's actually piss weak because of the sheer predictability of how such criticism gets dished out. (hence why a bot could do it) I like to think coaches love how obsessed the media/fans are over effort because it acts as a decoy to a team's actual problems. You can easily address the issue by acknowledging that the effort wasn't good, and then you get to work understanding what actually happened

A bit of a tangent but your last para reminded me of the effort of the top up team in the game against North in 2016. Although the team lost they got a standing ovation because everyone could see the effort they made and that effort exceeded our expectations. A reminder that winning is not the only thing that can be enjoyed in team sport.

Carry on...

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The last 24 hours have, for me, shown like never before the staggering, staggering fall of the Carlton Football Club.

They weren’t just a club... they were a deadset powerhouse. Premierships were simply expected.

Yesterday, the celebrations I saw on social media were amazing. People were posting reaction videos. Over a bloody April win over the Bulldogs. Who could blame them after the last few years, but wow... when you take a step back and look at it, it’s an amazing fall from grace.

 

[pepsi]

The last 24 hours have, for me, shown like never before the staggering, staggering fall of the Carlton Football Club.

They weren’t just a club... they were a deadset powerhouse. Premierships were simply expected.

Yesterday, the celebrations I saw on social media were amazing. People were posting reaction videos. Over a bloody April win over the Bulldogs. Who could blame them after the last few years, but wow... when you take a step back and look at it, it’s an amazing fall from grace.

I feel like that about our own club to be honest. Maybe not as great a fall, but not far off.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I feel like that about our own club to be honest. Maybe not as great a fall, but not far off.

We’ve fallen plenty but I’ve never felt like some nothing early-season win was a major achievement. Amazing.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Christ.

Shiel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wingard

 

[Sporno 4 Pyros]

What’s happened to the Bulldogs?? They’ve got some absolute jets in Bont/McCrae, lots of good kids. Is it just bad coaching??

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Liking Puopolo in the Alwyn Davey CHF role.

 

[rumply]

Gazza firing up at the G.

 

[doug85]

Ablett still has his moments.

 

[rumply]

Neville Jetta 8-10 weeks with a knee, Dee's season from hell gathering momentum...

 

[Mr_McBoogerBalls]

At the Cats vs Hawks game and absolutely sloshed.

Tried explaining to my Cats mate, that Jaeger Omeara being an Essendon supporter growing up and playing for Hawthorn is comparable to a an African American slaver (one who buys slaves).

He doesn't get it.
I probably won't either by tomorrow morning.

EDIT:
- Being a slaver is the most heinous thing you can do.
- Barracking for our great team and then playing for the scum is comparably evil

 

[funk44]

At the Cats vs Hawks game and absolutely sloshed.

Tried explaining to my Cats mate, that Jaeger Omeara being an Essendon supporter growing up and playing for Hawthorn is comparable to a an African American slaver (one who buys slaves).

He doesn't get it.
I probably won't either by tomorrow morning.

EDIT:
- Being a slaver is the most heinous thing you can do.
- Barracking for our great team and then playing for the scum is comparably evil

You're talking shit

 

[Albertross]

You're talking shit

Well he did say he was sloshed.

 

[pepsi]

At the Cats vs Hawks game and absolutely sloshed.

Tried explaining to my Cats mate, that Jaeger Omeara being an Essendon supporter growing up and playing for Hawthorn is comparable to a an African American slaver (one who buys slaves).

He doesn't get it.
I probably won't either by tomorrow morning.

EDIT:
- Being a slaver is the most heinous thing you can do.
- Barracking for our great team and then playing for the scum is comparably evil

Don't drink and post

 

[funk44]

Well he did say he was sloshed.

I have to listen to his shit

 

[rumply]

Looks like Fox Footy have moved their desk to the top level to avoid another beer shower

 

[Albertross]

I have to listen to his shit

Haha. Condolences.

 

[eth-dog]

So Conor Nash and Mitch Lewis are 198 cm apiece and Hawthorne are using Roughead as the second ruck when he's their best forward? Nash hasn't touched the ball, surely it's better to keep Roughy deep and play one of the kids as the second ruck.

 

[Blind Turn]

Scully not looking like the bargain everyone thinks he is today.

 

[Doss]

I have to listen to his shit

You poor sod.