Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XIV

[mike14]

I haven't paid much attention to All-Australian team for several years now, but it seems like a pretty flawed process.
A panel selects their best 40 players regardless of position, with the top 40 names based on a points system being named 'the squad'. From that 40, you then need to pick the best 'team regardless of whether there's enough players of a certain position to actually fill it. With the bias towards ball winning mids and dominate forwards for a lot of people, it seems you'll always end up with a very unbalanced side.

Do the panelists have to list their squad and team selections anywhere? Would be interesting to see how they all view the game/players

 

[faible]

I haven't paid much attention to All-Australian team for several years now, but it seems like a pretty flawed process.
A panel selects their best 40 players regardless of position, with the top 40 names based on a points system being named 'the squad'. From that 40, you then need to pick the best 'team regardless of whether there's enough players of a certain position to actually fill it. With the bias towards ball winning mids and dominate forwards for a lot of people, it seems you'll always end up with a very unbalanced side.

Do the panelists have to list their squad and team selections anywhere? Would be interesting to see how they all view the game/players

HPN did one based on some metrics they've created and using believable team positions, you end up with the below;

The 2020 HPN All Australian Team

Walking the abandoned streets of Australia, you keep hearing “why doesn’t HPN pick an All Australian Team?” Even if it isn’t true, it is a requirement of all football media …

www.hpnfooty.com

 

[Darealrath]

How apt that posts about Deano's passing are wedged between posts about questionable selections. Loved the MCG crowd chanting his name well into the late 90s.

 

[Lore]

The AA team should be picked from the state of origin sides.

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

Danger, Martin and Bontempelli are all AA forwards. Is this just so they can squeeze extra mids into the side or what?

 

[eth-dog]

Dan Butler was the best small forward by a country mile yet they choose to play 3 midfielders forward instead? What a joke.

 

[mike14]

Danger, Martin and Bontempelli are all AA forwards. Is this just so they can squeeze extra mids into the side or what?

It seems to be based on how they arrive at the squad.
I would have thought it would make more sense for each panelist to select their top 3-5 per position based on a 'standard position description' and the player who ends up with the most votes at that position is the AA. This way you could also have a 2nd AA team comprised of all the runner ups and you'd get a feel for the top 5 at each position.
you could also have the 1st AA side play the 2nd one in an exhibition match...

 

[Drummer_19]

Dan Butler was the best small forward by a country mile yet they choose to play 3 midfielders forward instead? What a joke.

Wait, Dan Butler didn't make it? That's insane.

 

[yodellinhank]

It seems to be based on how they arrive at the squad.
I would have thought it would make more sense for each panelist to select their top 3-5 per position based on a 'standard position description' and the player who ends up with the most votes at that position is the AA. This way you could also have a 2nd AA team comprised of all the runner ups and you'd get a feel for the top 5 at each position.
you could also have the 1st AA side play the 2nd one in an exhibition match...

All australian V Also Australians

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

This is where All Australian is silly. McCluggage gets picked in 40 man squad ahead of McGrath because he’s a winger..fair enough...but then a midfielder is selected on the wing anyway!

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Wait, Dan Butler didn't make it? That's insane.

What about Papley and Charlie Cameron? Nuts!

 

[Drummer_19]

What about Papley and Charlie Cameron? Nuts!

Surprised Liam Ryan made it, they could have shoehorned another mid in there just for pure symmetry.

 

[eth-dog]

Wait, Dan Butler didn't make it? That's insane.

It's madness. He and Wallis were so good this year in all facets of the gamr

 

[doug85]

I think dusty played a few blinders but was pretty quite otherwise. Not a fan of that selection.

 

[citizen-erased]

This is where All Australian is silly. McCluggage gets picked in 40 man squad ahead of McGrath because he’s a winger..fair enough...but then a midfielder is selected on the wing anyway!

exactly.
There is a bit of a disjoint in the squad selections and the method of getting the final team done
A good first step would be removing the buffoon votes (Same applies for RS....how was rankine 3rd??!!!)

Get the opposition analysts to vote on this. they'd have a far greater appreciation for players in their roles.

 

[11kgm]

Ben Reid retires has there ever been a worse pair of brothers in the AFL

 

[faible]

Ben Reid retires has there ever been a worse pair of brothers in the AFL

Jackson and Zachary Merrett?

Darcy and Joe Daniher?

Both Reid boys are talented, just not durable. Same with the Brown twins.

 

[doug85]

Ben Reid retires has there ever been a worse pair of brothers in the AFL

Harsh call.

The Lonie brothers spring to mind.

 

[eth-dog]

Ben Reid retires has there ever been a worse pair of brothers in the AFL

The Houlihans, Lonie brothers, the pair were good footballers

 

[11kgm]

Jackson and Zachary Merrett?

Darcy and Joe Daniher?

Both Reid boys are talented, just not durable. Same with the Brown twins.

Zach saves that

Joe Daniher probably saves that but maybe second

 

[11kgm]

The Houlihans, Lonie brothers, the pair were good footballers

Just made of glass and earned fat pay cheques

I dont really remember the Lonie vrothes

 

[faible]

Zach saves that

Joe Daniher probably saves that but maybe second

Both Reids were genuine AFL standard players when fit, far from the worst pairing.

 

[doug85]

Both premiership players too. Arguably better than the jnr set of Daniher brothers at this stage.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Ben Reid retires has there ever been a worse pair of brothers in the AFL

Being unlucky with injury and shit are two different things.

Both Reid brothers are above average when fit with a lot of talent.

I'd suggest at the very least Melbourne think the Wagner brothers are worse.

 

[andleanback]

What about Papley and Charlie Cameron? Nuts!

Cameron was terrible after round 6-7. Ryan deserved his spot, but butler shouldve been in the other pocket.