Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[Mercurial89]

I can only hope this behaviour isn't normalised across the league at any time in the past or currently.

Sadly I don't think it would be unheard of in regards to the separation aspect.

One of the major issues clubs always talk about via media is "falling I to wrong crowd, hanging around the wrong people" etc.

Whether it's to this degree? I sincerely hope not.

This is truly a massive moment for the AFL and how they handle this.

 

[Dave]

I did actually make a comment along these lines earlier, and was going to delve a little more into the hypocrisy if the AFL don't go scorched earth about this on the people involved.

However, I think the health and wellbeing of the indigenous people is more important than making a comparison to what happen to us. Reviewing all the clubs at this point is the most important thing that can happen, even if it ends up uncovering some poor behaviour at our own club.

The AFL need to make a stand right now and show that this is completely unacceptable anywhere at any level.

Likewise. It better not have happened with us.

 

[Zach Package]

So this is obviously horrific and disgusting and as a non First Nations person I’m not remotely qualified to pass informed commentary but the motive for Hawthorn to actively release this now is so they don’t have to pay Clarkson out yeah?

 

[Duster]

Yeah, the only way forward is a full review of all clubs. This is abhorrent and I hope these practices aren't a league wide standard.

 

[Eleven 38]

Easy solution. You make contact with Yze and you simply ask if he was in any of the meetings .
Hodge is on SEN now and he has said he had no idea .

Is it that simple though? Hodge might have known, yet he's going to say he had no knowledge, because its career over if he did know and didn't do anything.

 

[boncer34]

So this is obviously horrific and disgusting and as a non First Nations person I’m not remotely qualified to pass informed commentary but the motive for Hawthorn to actively release this now is so they don’t have to pay Clarkson out yeah?

Doubtful. Can't see how this would prevent it.

 

[RearNaked]

What kind of cult bullshit is hawthorn running

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

They will settle out of court and try to move on quickly I suspect.

I fear you are correct. Things get swept under the rug more often when it comes to indigenous matters.

I hope this is a case where that doesn't happen.

 

[Corleone]

Family separations and pregnancy termination: Hawthorn racism review reveals shock allegations against former coaches

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are named in a Hawthorn review into how First Nations players were treated during Clarkson's time at the helm of the Hawks. Warning — this story contains details of self-harm, pregnancy loss, and intergenerational trauma for Indigenous people.

www.abc.net.au

This is disgusting. I wonder how the AFL cheerleaders in the media (Barrett and Co) will downplay this as it's clear they are invested heavily in the Clarkson "Savior" narrative.

Clarkson should be sacked from North immediately
Fagan should be sacked from Brisbane immediately

I wonder how much the "leaders" of Hawthorn at this time (Mitchell and Hodge) knew, accepted and encouraged this type of bullying.

Just a club full of Good Blokes.

 

[Nifft]

So this is obviously horrific and disgusting and as a non First Nations person I’m not remotely qualified to pass informed commentary but the motive for Hawthorn to actively release this now is so they don’t have to pay Clarkson out yeah?

Wouldn't that lead to mutually assured destruction?

 

[jaa]

Is it that simple though? Hodge might have known, yet he's going to say he had no knowledge, because its career over if he did know and didn't do anything.

Agree. I hope he's correct in he had no idea, but it would be hard to imagine someone with his stature at that club having no idea about it.

 

[Squeaky]

Doesn’t read well at all. Could be a couple more coaching jobs up for grabs.

All the guys that pulled out of our 'process' will put their hands up...

 

[Lore]

I can only hope this behaviour isn't normalised across the league at any time in the past or currently.

This is what worries me. We've heard of examples of it at a few clubs now. And I keep wondering about all of the players that have changed clubs unexpectedly, or walked out of the league, or ever commented or been rumoured to have difficulties about the support they need or whatever. I highly doubt that the three examples in that article are the only ones affected, they're just the ones the ABC knew about and who were willing to talk.

I can't even words.

 

[Saint]

Doubtful. Can't see how this would prevent it.

Hawthorn don't have to terminate his contract and pay it out if the AFL evict him from the league?

 

[Lore]

So this is obviously horrific and disgusting and as a non First Nations person I’m not remotely qualified to pass informed commentary but the motive for Hawthorn to actively release this now is so they don’t have to pay Clarkson out yeah?

Clarkson's contract with North doesn't technically start until November 1, after Hawthorn's last pay out. And in the mean time, Clarkson can't poach Hawthorn's players or staff.

It's more than just him not getting paid out, it's effectively career ending and probably loses his next job too. The whole house of cards that has been built around him will all come tumbling down.

 

[Petrify]

Jesus christ this is ****ed up. Genuinely feel bad for North (unless they knew and still hired him)

 

[boncer34]

Hawthorn don't have to terminate his contract and pay it out if the AFL evict him from the league?

Yeah good point. Be interested to hear a lawyers take on that.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

We'll see.

They are extraordinary allegations which is a reason to proceed with caution.

I think it's very important to wait and see all sides and context for sure.

However with what is being alleged and reported, the only context that would absolve it is if it was complete fabrication.

I cannot see what benefit a player would see in making any of this up.

 

[boncer34]

This is what worries me. We've heard of examples of it at a few clubs now. And I keep wondering about all of the players that have changed clubs unexpectedly, or walked out of the league, or ever commented or been rumoured to have difficulties about the support they need or whatever. I highly doubt that the three examples in that article are the only ones affected, they're just the ones the ABC knew about and who were willing to talk.

I can't even words.

I think Nifft suggestion would be a good one because of this.

 

[faible]

What does that look like?

Luckily, the ABC article tells you exactly what it looks like;

"Clarkson just leaned over me and demanded that I needed to get rid of my unborn child and my partner. I was then manipulated and convinced to remove my SIM card from my phone, so there was no further contact between my family and me. They told me I’d be living with one of the other coaches from that night onwards.

Were a couple of white football people to know that was off limits for First Australians?

Yes. Professional people employed to work with young Indigienous Australians should have a pretty good idea of this. Nevermind that this behaviour is also not OK if it was being done to white players and all.

Really not your best work today Bruno. Perhaps steer clear of this topic.

 

[Lore]

I think it's very important to wait and see all sides and context for sure.

However with what is being alleged and reported, the only context that would absolve it is if it was complete fabrication.

I cannot see what benefit a player would see in making any of this up.

Three players and their families as interviewed by the ABC, and apparently an entire external report.

A fabrication of that proportion is extremely unlikely.

 

[faible]

This is far worse than what Hird was hung for, as an aside.

Hard to see how the likes of Clarkson/Burt/Fagan can ever hold positions in footy again.

Yep, I'd say it's worse than both the Essendon debacle and the Adelaide camp, which were both pretty damn bad.

Systemic bullying of vulnerable young men, particularly those from Indigenous backgrounds who were more isolated from family and friends than the average player goes well beyond the sports performance arena.

 

[MiguelM]

City hall will be ropeable about the timing of this.

No bigger week in the AFL calender. All eyes on Footy.

 

['51 Bewick]

I wonder if this had something to do with Clarkson being released 12 months early by Hawthorn?

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Three players and their families as interviewed by the ABC, and apparently an entire external report.

A fabrication of that proportion is extremely unlikely.

Agreed and kind of my point.