Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[jmoo wan]

Why is that stupid?

i’m not sure what you are fishing for here man?

 

[frodos gardener]

The biggest issue is not why they give it away. The issue is finding young umpires to replace them. Why is becoming an umpire so bad that a very limited number would even consider . I can tell you now in my experience it is the last point on your list. It is also not about most of society but more about why people who like footy will not even consider taking it up.
Also not talking about career paths here. There will always be enough umpires at the top level ( AFL , VFL, Div 1 footy). It is about winning over those who have an interest in footy and a love for footy but will not consider being an umpire. It is about 4th div reserves having 2 umpires so those who are running around having a kick for fun have a decent game.

My personal experience as far as talking to a range of people over the years about this is that it is basically why would you put yourself out there when the general opinion is you are a maggot.

I really do not see why it is a big deal for players to show some more respect to the umps.

I just think there’s a compromise to be made. Let the players show a bit of frustration as long as it’s on the mild side.

Anyway I don’t want to clog up this thread too much more as I care about the topic but not enough to consume more of our time. We will have to wait and see how dissent goes in the long term and hope for it to work out.

 

[Albertross]

i’m not sure what you are fishing for here man?

Fairly obvious I would have thought.

 

[Beerfish]

anzac day is going to be messy

 

[Zach Package]

anzac day is going to be messy

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

 

[Beerfish]

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

i'm preparing for failure

probably because of that other stuff you speak of

 

[fishardansin]

No players are not robots but they can easily stand the mark and shake their head and grumble under their breath and not give away a free kick. They do not have to have a running commentary. It is called discipline. The manage to do it in League and Union well enough. Just shut your trap and get on with the game. Not like an umpire has ever reversed his decision after a player questioned it. they can also talk to the umpires like Redman did on the Hawks game after he gave away the 50 in the stand rule.

A friend of mine has sponsored the umpires in one of the Melbourne footy leagues for a good number of years through his business . I have been to a number of the functions and spoken to a lot of the people out their doing the umpiring and their biggest bug bear is players questioning every decision. These are the umpires I am talking to. Go out and talk to a group of them and you will find the answers. You say you can not fathom people with a regular constitution giving up because someone throw their arms about. It is not about the one incident. It is about the perception that the umpire can simply be questioned non stop and be subject to various levels of dissent to abuse. The problem is there is just a total lack of respect for the umpire and pretty much all of them out there doing their stuff on the weekend do so because they love footy. It is the build up of the continual acts and the fact that as a society we feel it is our right to just tee off on the umpires. This is despite the fact they do not make a lot of errors compared to the player errors in games and the fact that nearly all supporters are bias towards their own side when it comes to decisions and a good number do not really know the rules anyway.

If it is not a big deal why is their a shortage of umpires ? ask young footy followers why they would not consider umpiring . It is about changing a culture of general disrespect towards umpires. It is about attracting people to become umpires . The number 1 reason people do not want to be umpires is they do not want the abuse. It has nothing to do with the 6% from the survey of some (not close to all) ex umpires on why they left. It is about the fact that these guys are not being replaced because being an umpire is not desirable.

I would also recommend listening to Ray Chamberlain . Not because he is actually good at providing a good explanation of how they interoperate rules but more about the fact that he umpires because he loves footy and it is a genuine love. The perception that he is driven by a big ego and wants to be a factor is totally opposite to how he is. Umpire love footy. He admits he gets decisions wrong .The do actually get a great percentage of decisions right. Ray mentioned the other day when asked what the difference between the back end of last year and now is and he stated that the players had started to take a few more liberties and stretch the boundaries of where they where at.

I have umpired the odd junior game as a fill in. It is bloody hard. You do not have a game without an umpire. We need to start providing a bit more respect.
At the very least players can work a bit on their discipline. Hold the frustration in Just shake the head. Do not engage the umpire in the heat of the moment. There will always be the odd break down in frustration but if it is only the odd one then it is not a pattern of behavior .

I tried to umpire u10s. It was ridiculously hard with so many people around the ball, and these were kids who were just trying to win the ball and not considering dirty tricks at all.

Regards the complaining, it is pretty obvious why it is done. Everyone knows that the umpire won't change their mind, however, it is about putting pressure on them to even up down the track. At the very least make them consider differently next time.

Having said that, it is pretty obvious that umpires are influenced by the crowd. Well, they used to be, but are getting better at it now.

i’m not sure what you are fishing for here man?

Because it is obvious that what you were talking about there is sexual harassment/assault. The two things aren't related.

 

[citizen-erased]

anzac day is going to be messy

It might rain....wait, that's no good
It might not rain.....wait, that's no good either

Yep, messy.

 

[wichidi]

It might rain....wait, that's no good
It might not rain.....wait, that's no good either

Yep, messy.

The only bright side is ginnivan might not be playing. Literally the only bright side.

 

[fishardansin]

I hate to agree with BT, but it does feel like it is building into a classic game.

 

[fishardansin]

The only bright side is ginnivan might not be playing. Literally the only bright side.

I hope he is. He's a huge downgrade on all small forwards they currently have.

 

[citizen-erased]

I hope he is. He's a huge downgrade on all small forwards they currently have.

We can play heppell on him
Wait, that's no good either

 

[jmoo wan]

Because it is obvious that what you were talking about there is sexual harassment/assault. The two things aren't related.

yes.. unsolicited dicks pics is sexual harassment…. but what two things? i have no idea what you are talking about?

 

[fishardansin]

yes.. unsolicited dicks pics is sexual harassment…. but what two things? i have no idea what you are talking about?

Gather round!

 

[Albertross]

anzac day is going to be messy

Only if you suffer from Encopresis!

 

[fishardansin]

Collingwood still look vulnerable to being attacked up the corridor. They sweat on opposition mistakes, which makes them dangerous if you do make a mistake, but them vulnerable if you don't.

 

[Beerfish]

would nathan buckley's teeth be ground down at all watching this side?

 

[jmoo wan]

Gather round!

oooooohhhhhhhg! got it!!!

 

[Albertross]

would nathan buckley's teeth be ground down at all watching this side?

After having to not only watch, but also commentate on their games, I'm sure he is down to his gums by now.

 

[ghostdog]

How does Collingwood look with no ruckman? Are their mids reading McInerney's taps?

 

[Nifft]

i’ve never sent unsolicited dick pics to people before, and I think that’s stupid

So you've sent solicited dick pics?

 

[MiguelM]

McKenna seems to have lost the dash he had with us, doesn't look as fit.

 

[jmoo wan]

So you've sent solicited dick pics?

of course!

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[fishardansin]

So you've sent solicited dick pics?

He made my mum's day.

 

[DERO]

oooooohhhhhhhg! got it!!!

The dick pics?