Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[Lore]

I think there's another camp, and I'd put myself in it - those who don't like Clarkson at all, but who don't have a firm belief about what happened because they weren't there and aren't across the evidence. I would've thought that would be most people, but it seems (and this isn't a shot at anyone in particular) some people like to form their opinions based on how they feel about any alleged victims and perpetrators. I prefer just to wait and see what the full story and facts are. Can't say that I always succeed, but it's my starting point.

It can feel right to say "he's a campaigner and this sounds in line with something he'd do" but we just don't really know.

If you believe him when he says he’s innocent then you’re not sitting on the fence…

The fact is we don’t know the facts. He’s just stating his opinion.

 

[Mercurial89]

If you believe him when he says he’s innocent then you’re not sitting on the fence…

The fact is we don’t know the facts. He’s just stating his opinion.

Frodo didn't say he believed he was innocent, he just said he doesn't know what happened- and will wait before judging, like we should be.

The accused also have the right to a presumption of innocence. That seems fairly just?

I thought we all would have a bit of an idea that a he said they said tit for tat in the public forum is not conducive to any procedural fairness or just outcome and shouldn't be encouraged.

This seems like common sense? Why is there maybe 3 posters here who actually seem to think that the best thing is for a proper process to take place rather than a public tell all?

The accused publicly demanding that process is not being conducted seems fair, they have had no recourse and have been declared guilty in the eyes of many.
The occasional crack in public seems perfectly understandable, and even with this they still aren't trying to tell their story outside that framework.

 

[Lore]

Frodo didn't say he believed he was innocent, he just said he doesn't know what happened- and will wait before judging, like we should be.

He was replying to what I said, which is that the “only people who believe him …” etc

The accused also have the right to a presumption of innocence. That seems fairly just?

And I specified I was talking about whether it passed the pub test and having professionals handling your PR a bit better than that, not legal rights

I thought we all would have a bit of an idea that a he said they said tit for tat in the public forum is not conducive to any procedural fairness or just outcome and shouldn't be encouraged.

This seems like common sense? Why is there maybe 3 posters here who actually seem to think that the best thing is for a proper process to take place rather than a public tell all?

The accused publicly demanding that process is not being conducted seems fair, they have had no recourse and have been declared guilty in the eyes of many.
The occasional crack in public seems perfectly understandable, and even with this they still aren't trying to tell their story outside that framework.

Sure

 

[jmoo wan]

nah **** him and his presumption of innocence - this isn’t a court of law, and campaigners are going to campaign

 

[BrunoV]

I don’t know why they keep commenting on it. They put out statements at the start. Should just let the lawyers work and the process play out.

There will be a time for public comment once the process concludes, whatever the outcome, and then either litigate or don’t, if you dislike the outcome.

I don’t know if the seemingly constant bleating is intended to publicly discredit the process in case the outcome goes against them or take the heat off his current club and their on-field performances, but it’s the kind of PR that hardly seems worth it.

Surely a good lawyer would advise against commenting.

Problem is that the complainants all lawyered up so they're trying to protect their compensation claims which is why they're not cooperating.

They've also been completely protected to date.

The process has hung the accused out to dry by letting this thing drag on and on not even taking their version of events.

There is no harm in Clarko flying his flag because he's still stuck in limbo of not being able to respond to the accusations as a result of the process which was supposed to give him a chance to respond.

He has 12 months to commence a defamation action. He could be trying to bring this to a head before then because, even though he doesn't have to serve proceedings for 12 months from the date of issue, whatever is filed will likely identify everyone and will be a matter of public record.

 

[Beerfish]

Did BT just say the umpires name was Gene Fatwa? I was only half listening but that's a great name.

 

[horj89]

Good to see Geelong playing Richmond into some form just before they play us.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Good to see Geelong playing Richmond into some form just before they play us.

I am thinking the same thing.

 

[ghostdog]

Swans running into a bit of form. We never get to play out of form teams.

This is looking like clockwork.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Frodo didn't say he believed he was innocent, he just said he doesn't know what happened- and will wait before judging, like we should be.

The accused also have the right to a presumption of innocence. That seems fairly just?

I thought we all would have a bit of an idea that a he said they said tit for tat in the public forum is not conducive to any procedural fairness or just outcome and shouldn't be encouraged.

This seems like common sense? Why is there maybe 3 posters here who actually seem to think that the best thing is for a proper process to take place rather than a public tell all?

The accused publicly demanding that process is not being conducted seems fair, they have had no recourse and have been declared guilty in the eyes of many.
The occasional crack in public seems perfectly understandable, and even with this they still aren't trying to tell their story outside that framework.

Yeah that’s all well and good but…it’s Clarko and Hawthorn….so you know he’s guilty, just look at the little ****er.

 

[sameolds33]

I am thinking the same thing.

me too. Not the Tigers of the last few weeks tonight

 

[VelvetSledge]

Ffs of course.

 

[jannissary]

can't pick a friday night game to save my life this year

 

[citizen-erased]

This humphrey kid. He's gonna be good

 

[Zach Package]

Geelong losing is obviously great for footy but **** knows how they aren’t 6 goals up here. They’ve had all the play.

A tale of two Balta’s tonight though. Absolutely destroyed by Hawkins in every one on one but put the footy on the deck and make it dirty and Hawk has no price.

 

[scythe]

This is about as unco as I've ever seen Geelong play.

 

[horj89]

I don’t necessarily think richmond have looked all that great but Geelong just look well off it.

Granted Richmond have injuries too but they’ve met them on a good night with a few key personnel out.

 

[ghostdog]

Who goes out of Geelong at year's end?
Smith 34, Hawkins 34, Tuohy 33, Rohan 32, Dangerfield 33, Stanley 32, Blicavs 32

 

[andleanback]

Who goes out of Geelong at year's end?
Smith 34, Hawkins 34, Tuohy 33, Rohan 32, Dangerfield 33, Stanley 32, Blicavs 32

You serious mentioning danger Hawkins and blicavs

 

[andleanback]

Richmond back in form just in time for Dreamtime. Of course

 

[ghostdog]

You serious mentioning danger Hawkins and blicavs

It's an age list.

 

[frodos gardener]

If you believe him when he says he’s innocent then you’re not sitting on the fence…

The fact is we don’t know the facts. He’s just stating his opinion.

I didn’t say I believe him. I said I don’t believe anything until I know much more about what happened. I.e. I don’t “believe” anyone involved.

 

[sameolds33]

Feeling less confident about Dreamtime after that performance

 

[Zach Package]

Feeling less confident about Dreamtime after that performance

I’m amazed you were ever confident about Dreamtime

 

[TheUnicorn]

Ginbey up to 15 tackles