Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[andleanback]

The gutting is in the form of Atley, Marley Williams, McMillan, Dumont, Wood, McMillan Pittard, Brown and Durdin (who they never really played). Did they not offer Tarrant a deal or did Tarrant want to leave? I'll grant that Dom Tyson was broken.

Atley is Heppell's age and essentially played 240 games straight from his debut. McMillan and McMillan Pittard were 28/29. The rest had 100 games in them at least.

Who survives the 2020 cull (which Atley was not part of)? Taylor Garner, an injured flake, Polec, another flake and Kayne Turner (the worst player in the AFL).

And it's not like every kid on the list is compelling.

McMillan, Dumont and Atley were pros. Wood and Durdin had ability. Trade Brown for something, I get that. I even get letting Tarrant leave to win a flag.

It seems that average age and games played is only run out when it helps to make a partisan point.

If you allow for years on a list to equate roughly to games played there is the equivalent of 800 games experience (give Durdin 100 ish and the same for Wood). You then go to North's current bottom 5, including Polec who you just sack because he's a flake and you're not worried about salary cap, and remove them.

What is the total effect of that by round 17 2022? It's got to be significant, doesn't it? Is playing Perez and Spicer now that important?

There is then the debacle of key position recruiting and development I've gone in to elsewhere.

They've blown themselves up. The AFL should step in as an administrator because North's profitability is based on handouts anyway. No one should be allowed to survive what has happed (now that they'll ge appointing a 4th senior coach in 4 years, etc).

Well those guys survived the 2020 cull because they were still in contract…
Mcmillian, atley etc were terrible, not making on difference to the teams afl perform, only thing they could offer would be some experienced heads at vfl level. Horrible recruiting and list management got them to the spot they were in, as what usually happens with most clubs that need to rebuild
Tarrant was offered a 1 year deal, Richmond offered 2. To be fair Tarrant probably only deserved one, body is starting to fail, the lure of playing in a better team is hardly north’s fault. How many 32yos get 2 year deals from their current club. It would be same sort of scenario of Walker decided to leave Adelaide, they only offered him 1 year and he decided to be a 1 club player.

 

[Old Campaigner]

It probably helps clubs enter rebuild mode if they've actually done something in their premiership window. Once a team has won a flag it's a lot easier to sit back and decide they've achieved their goal, realise the list is getting on and approach the rebuild in somewhat of a deliberate manner.
North hadn't though so there was this big incentive to squeeze every last drop out of that list, top up with more players, and throw everything at a flag without really thinking of the long term implications.

 

[frodos gardener]

McVeigh to Norf? Would be interesting if not just to see how their fans feel about it.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Honestly I think the only reason they'd give Noble the arse like that is if they'd already got Clarkson lined up.

I don't think they'd go with another rookie (or almost rookie in McVeigh's case) coach with where their list is at. They need someone who can walk in and instantly command respect from everyone in the club, from the board to the boot studder.

 

[Burzum]

Feel sorry for Noble. Was set to become the next CEO of the Lions but took the North job. Hopefully it's not seen as a black mark on his CV.

 

[citizen-erased]

If Carlton ask for compensation should Jones join another AFL club, we better be asking after McKenna left.
top 4 BnF year before he "retired"

 

[faible]

If Carlton ask for compensation should Jones join another AFL club, we better be asking after McKenna left.
top 4 BnF year before he "retired"

Except McKenna isn't playing for another club

 

[citizen-erased]

Except McKenna isn't playing for another club

he is in Ireland

 

[faible]

he is in Ireland

Which is irrelevant to the AFL club Essendon.

Carlton have a player who would still be under contract, that's not technically permitted to play for another club until the mid-season draft next year due to AFL rules.

They've said they're happy for him not to be bound by those rules, but it's technically possible for them to hold him to that 18 month agreement if it's not in their best interests.

 

[TheGrizz]

Carlton getting compensation for Jones is a nonsense.

He isnt a free agent (hasn't been under contract at Carlton long enough and wasn't delisted) and so free agency comp is out of the question.

If he comes back then he is either a trade target (technically still under contract until end of the year) or at his retirement his contract was 'frustrated' (legal term) and his contract is now null and void to begin with, which likely puts him in the SSP pool because like I said, he wasn't a free agent.

The only way they get compensation is if the AFL makes some kind of exemption, which is theoretically possible but I imagine improbable.

 

[BrunoV]

Well those guys survived the 2020 cull because they were still in contract…
Mcmillian, atley etc were terrible, not making on difference to the teams afl perform, only thing they could offer would be some experienced heads at vfl level. Horrible recruiting and list management got them to the spot they were in, as what usually happens with most clubs that need to rebuild
Tarrant was offered a 1 year deal, Richmond offered 2. To be fair Tarrant probably only deserved one, body is starting to fail, the lure of playing in a better team is hardly north’s fault. How many 32yos get 2 year deals from their current club. It would be same sort of scenario of Walker decided to leave Adelaide, they only offered him 1 year and he decided to be a 1 club player.

I've addressed the contracts and Tarrant in my first post.

For the sake of consistency, every time I read about how old we are compared to an opponent, am I to read into that that poster or commentator has weighed the value of the experience of those playing for the opponent?

How are these guys good enough to play 120 to 230 games, in sides winning finals but not be good enough to guide North through a down turn?

I dont need to be sold on the possibility that average players get games not being an objective indicator of quality but its against the grain.

Its not that any are stars, they clearly aren't but they had a role to play. They weren't given that opportunity and North has a percentage under 50.

What attitude did Hinkley take with his senior players when he started? He was there to extend careers.

 

[faible]

How are these guys good enough to play 120 to 230 games, in sides winning finals but not be good enough to guide North through a down turn?

They've got older and declined from passable AFL players to not-very-good AFL players.

It's not like many of their cast offs have been picked up and played well elsewhere.

Shaun Higgins hasn't done much, Tarrant would have been some leadership down back but hasn't exactly been a dominant force. Ben Brown has been reasonable.

Mason Wood has found a role at STK but had plenty of time on North's list and never really did much there.

A lot of the senior players at North were simply dead wood. They aren't a calibre of player like Boak or Robbie Grey.

 

[andleanback]

I've addressed the contracts and Tarrant in my first post.

For the sake of consistency, every time I read about how old we are compared to an opponent, am I to read into that that poster or commentator has weighed the value of the experience of those playing for the opponent?

How are these guys good enough to play 120 to 230 games, in sides winning finals but not be good enough to guide North through a down turn?

I dont need to be sold on the possibility that average players get games not being an objective indicator of quality but its against the grain.

Its not that any are stars, they clearly aren't but they had a role to play. They weren't given that opportunity and North has a percentage under 50.

What attitude did Hinkley take with his senior players when he started? He was there to extend careers.

If you are referencing the north guys that have played in finals. That was 6-7 years ago…
If you look at the list hinkley inherited, it wasn’t actually that old. Cornes and cassisi aged 30 were the only over 30s they had on their list.
If old guys can’t make an impact at senior level what is the point of extending their contract, it would be like essendon giving zaharakis another year in 2022 even though he was clearly done, even hooker played good footy last year (better than what guys like atley, mcmillian were playing in their final years) and he still got cut.

 

[windyhill]

McVeigh to Norf? Would be interesting if not just to see how their fans feel about it.

Especially if he brings hird with him ! Not going to happen.

 

[Zach Package]

Isn’t the primary issue with North’s deep cull not the cull itself but who they replaced them with?

Number 1 they probably should have done it over a couple of years rather than 14 changes at once in a bit of a weird covid year, but if you bring in 5 players from other clubs (Corr, Stephenson, Atu, Young, Menadue) and get nothing substantial out of 3 of them and take 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and none of them really pop 18 months in it starts to look real bad.

Admittedly 2020 is far from a super draft and some things like Phillips getting glandular are completely unforeseen but there’s a world out there where it looks a hell of a lot better if Phillips stays fit, Stephenson screws his head back on and they take let’s say Chapman, Durdin and McCreery instead of Powell, Lazzaro and Spicer, even though I don’t particularly dislike the picks.

 

[kleanr]

add to that Zach Package their last 2 years of MSD #1 picks, have they both played a game yet? compare that to the later picks we took in Durham and DAM BRO

 

[TheGrizz]

Even if you aren't a rugby league fan, turn on Origin if you haven't.

Bloody unreal game right now

 

[TheUnicorn]

Even if you aren't a rugby league fan, turn on Origin if you haven't.

Bloody unreal game right now

 

[eth-dog]

Even if you aren't a rugby league fan, turn on Origin if you haven't.

Bloody unreal game right now

What was that Blues #4 thinking?

 

[TheGrizz]

What was that Blues #4 thinking?

He wasn't, clearly

 

[eth-dog]

He wasn't, clearly

Could cost them the series

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Why are we after a 32yo Liam Jones

19

Liam Jones

Age

33

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

? Ridiculous….May as well re-sign Hurls

 

[MiguelM]

Especially if he brings hird with him ! Not going to happen.

rofl, the Norf supporter base would spontaneously combust!

 

[Lore]

 

[Runk]

So.....Lance Franklin eh?

$700k?