Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[DERO]

Anyone old enough to remember Wanganeen beating Williams to a Brownlow despite getting over 40 touches in a game and not getting a vote?

 

[Pweter]

Anyone old enough to remember Wanganeen beating Williams to a Brownlow despite getting over 40 touches in a game and not getting a vote?

Yep. **** Carlton though

 

[Pweter]

Off topic…why is Peter Bol jumping off high speed trains when it is less than one year until the Paris Olympics??

Bonkers…stupidest training technique since the crows players had to run across hot coals back in the late 90s

"High speed" is a stretch but the point is well made, it does seem rather dumb.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Anyone old enough to remember Wanganeen beating Williams to a Brownlow despite getting over 40 touches in a game and not getting a vote?

Still such a pleasant memory

 

[Vindicater]

The Umpires must give votes out like I give out points at my school's sports day.

Haphazardly.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Fantastic player and well deserved.

Worst player to win it twice.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Anyone old enough to remember Wanganeen beating Williams to a Brownlow despite getting over 40 touches in a game and not getting a vote?

40 touches was below average for Williams.

 

[eth-dog]

Worst player to win it twice.

So? He's still won it twice and deserved it both years.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Anyone old enough to remember Wanganeen beating Williams to a Brownlow despite getting over 40 touches in a game and not getting a vote?

What’s just as good has been Williams still whining about it years later

 

[DERO]

What’s just as good has been Williams still whining about it years later

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.

 

[faible]

"High speed" is a stretch but the point is well made, it does seem rather dumb.

What is this about?

 

[Pweter]

What is this about?

During the Brownlow they were advertising the next series of SAS Australia and Bol is one of the contestants. Looks like this series is based in an arid/desert region somewhere and one of the clips was people moving across carriages and jumping off a moving train. Yes the landing looked like sand but there's still plenty of opportunity for injury (not just in that but in a number of the challenges they'll likely end up doing).

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

So? He's still won it twice and deserved it both years.

For me, the award has lost almost all meaning. It's a joke now.

 

[Pweter]

With the introduction of new rules, different and forever shifting interpretations of existing rules, and seemingly more contested football than ever before, are the umpires the best placed to determine who is the best player on the ground, let alone the fairest?

The umps are on a hiding to nothing every time they take the field, asking them to focus on who's performing well on top of actually adjudicating the game seems to be a step too far. Now that we have 4 of them with potentially 4 different views of who's played well or impacted the contest the most, the scope to skew results is also increased.

I don't know what the solution is if we want the Brownlow to survive given it's always been voted on by the umpires but I agree it's becoming a joke despite forever being touted as "the night of nights" for the AFL. Maybe get the reserve umpire to be the sole voter given they can actually watch the game, but them what happens if they're required to take the field?

 

[doug85]

Anyone old enough to remember Wanganeen beating Williams to a Brownlow despite getting over 40 touches in a game and not getting a vote?

Gave the umpire a serve during the game. Cost him a third Brownlow

 

[dank420_]

I find it hard to believe Dunkley only got 4 votes. He had a great first half of the year.

#notmymedallist

 

[DapperDon]

I find it hard to believe Dunkley only got 4 votes. He had a great first half of the year.

#notmymedallist

So do my multi's

 

[dank420_]

So do my multi's

I would be livid!

 

[jmoo wan]

During the Brownlow they were advertising the next series of SAS Australia and Bol is one of the contestants. Looks like this series is based in an arid/desert region somewhere and one of the clips was people moving across carriages and jumping off a moving train. Yes the landing looked like sand but there's still plenty of opportunity for injury (not just in that but in a number of the challenges they'll likely end up doing).

they should make the top 10 in the brownlow have to do SAS Australia and that decides the ultimate winner

 

[citizen-erased]

they should make the top 10 in the brownlow have to do SAS Australia and that decides the ultimate winner

all looked ok, except for crawling through a pipe with rushing water......pass.

 

[mike14]

With the introduction of new rules, different and forever shifting interpretations of existing rules, and seemingly more contested football than ever before, are the umpires the best placed to determine who is the best player on the ground, let alone the fairest?

The umps are on a hiding to nothing every time they take the field, asking them to focus on who's performing well on top of actually adjudicating the game seems to be a step too far. Now that we have 4 of them with potentially 4 different views of who's played well or impacted the contest the most, the scope to skew results is also increased.

I don't know what the solution is if we want the Brownlow to survive given it's always been voted on by the umpires but I agree it's becoming a joke despite forever being touted as "the night of nights" for the AFL. Maybe get the reserve umpire to be the sole voter given they can actually watch the game, but them what happens if they're required to take the field?

I haven't really paid attention to the Brownlow for quite a while (don't pat attention to enough games, the acual night goes on for too long), but do agree that it seem odd that the most prestigious award is voted on by those who are both really busy doing something else, and in a pretty crappy spot to actually watch what is going on. And as you say, 4 people now somehow have to agree.
Would the results be much different if each umpire submitted their own votes and so a player could earn up to 12 in 1 game?

I still say the Brownlow should be one award in a night of awards. You could have:
Brownlow - best and fairest voted by umpires
an MVP - player judged to be most valuable to their team, voted by coaches
players player - similar to MVP, voted by players or AFLPA
defensive award - player judged to be best at the defensive aspects, voted by media/committee
forward award - player judged to be best at the forward aspects, voted by media/committee
Coleman
MOTY
GOTY
Name the AA team of 18, and then the 2nd 18 who is just the next highest vote getter for each position - voted by the AA committee

Rather than have a 'count' you do a top 5 for each award with a quick highlights package for each player.
All voting is made available to the public
For any media award you select 2 x media form each State to vote (ideally helps removes any biases)

 

[citizen-erased]

I haven't really paid attention to the Brownlow for quite a while (don't pat attention to enough games, the acual night goes on for too long), but do agree that it seem odd that the most prestigious award is voted on by those who are both really busy doing something else, and in a pretty crappy spot to actually watch what is going on. And as you say, 4 people now somehow have to agree.
Would the results be much different if each umpire submitted their own votes and so a player could earn up to 12 in 1 game?

I still say the Brownlow should be one award in a night of awards. You could have:
Brownlow - best and fairest voted by umpires
an MVP - player judged to be most valuable to their team, voted by coaches
players player - similar to MVP, voted by players or AFLPA
defensive award - player judged to be best at the defensive aspects, voted by media/committee
forward award - player judged to be best at the forward aspects, voted by media/committee
Coleman
MOTY
GOTY
Name the AA team of 18, and then the 2nd 18 who is just the next highest vote getter for each position - voted by the AA committee

Rather than have a 'count' you do a top 5 for each award with a quick highlights package for each player.
All voting is made available to the public
For any media award you select 2 x media form each State to vote (ideally helps removes any biases)

the count is fun. but maybe im just being traditional given ive watched every one since '89. feels like ritual. admittedly of late ive got headphones on playing guitar while its going. but 2m of Hame jokes do that to you.

it could go faster.
start at 7
i like the idea of presenting the coleman, MOTY, GOTY, rising star & AA team.

im fine with the umps voting. fan voting would get silly. "experts" are dubious.

 

[Darealrath]

The umpires became too conscious about 15 or so years of not missing votes for big names. It was more interesting when the winners won with fewer votes because they were spread around more evenly.

 

[Nifft]

All they’re getting is more kids. They seem pretty optimistic but again, they’re going to be terrible next year - they already have no experience and and they’re losing Cunnington, Ziebell, McKay and Goldstein. There’s bottoming out… and then there’s this.

The problem for them is it means they’re terrible for even longer, and clubs will be coming hard for any talent they do have.

So they're the new Gold Coast?

 

[TheUnicorn]