Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

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Not to cast too much judgement but you don't have to have a mental health issue to do drugs.
Yet I think every player that has be stung by it has used it as the reason.
Just once a bit of honesty somewhere along the lines of " everyone else was doing it, most of my generation does it, so I did it" would be preferable.
Yep, even if he has mental health issues IMO it's a cop out to go there when excusing the drug use. He's embarrassed he got caught, I seriously doubt he's embarrassed about the drug use prior to being found out. I'd conservatively estimate at least 70% of AFL players have used some kind of illicit drugs at some point, many every off-season.

They are young kids who work extremely hard all year with lots of disposable income and easy access to it with less affect on their fitness than litres of alcohol. For many of them I imagine they see it as the preferable method to let their hair down while keeping skin fold/fitness standards etc.

The sooner people stop using mental health as an excuse for using (even if it is the cause), the better for everyone including themselves with mental health. But that won't change as long as there is a benefit to reducing any possible bans by claiming it.
 
Yep, even if he has mental health issues IMO it's a cop out to go there when excusing the drug use. He's embarrassed he got caught, I seriously doubt he's embarrassed about the drug use prior to being found out. I'd conservatively estimate at least 70% of AFL players have used some kind of illicit drugs at some point, many every off-season.

They are young kids who work extremely hard all year with lots of disposable income and easy access to it with less affect on their fitness than litres of alcohol. For many of them I imagine they see it as the preferable method to let their hair down while keeping skin fold/fitness standards etc.

The sooner people stop using mental health as an excuse for using (even if it is the cause), the better for everyone including themselves with mental health. But that won't change as long as there is a benefit to reducing any possible bans by claiming it.
Illicit drug use suspensions (or whatever) should be the same regardless of mental health. Mental health issues should have the same support and welfare provisions regardless of drug use. If you have both issues, you get both the suspension and the support services.
 

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Illicit drug use suspensions (or whatever) should be the same regardless of mental health. Mental health issues should have the same support and welfare provisions regardless of drug use. If you have both issues, you get both the suspension and the support services.
Yep. But the line is trotted out every time for two reasons IMO:

1) The possibility of a stayed or suspended sentence
2) The reduction of personal scrutiny on the player

Don't get me wrong, plenty of players (like general people in the community) have mental health issues and may use to escape it at times. Depending on how you define mental health issues you could suggest almost everyone has them in some form. But most players would just want a bit of fun in the off-season (and some in season) and is the primary reason for use.

If you do something bad/illegal etc*, then excusing it for whatever reason does not help IMO. The best way to move forward is with recognising your own issues and taking ownership without excuse, because by excusing you are also subconsciously telling yourself it was ok to do A because of B, instead of simply addressing the root cause B.

Quite simply it would be refreshing to see what owen87 said:
It’s really not.

“I made bad choices, I’ll try to do better in the future.”

Done.

* I don't particularly view drug use of several illicit drugs as bad, many are, many aren't.
 
Yep. But the line is trotted out every time for two reasons IMO:

1) The possibility of a stayed or suspended sentence
2) The reduction of personal scrutiny on the player

Don't get me wrong, plenty of players (like general people in the community) have mental health issues and may use to escape it at times. Depending on how you define mental health issues you could suggest almost everyone has them in some form. But most players would just want a bit of fun in the off-season (and some in season) and is the primary reason for use.

If you do something bad/illegal etc*, then excusing it for whatever reason does not help IMO. The best way to move forward is with recognising your own issues and taking ownership without excuse, because by excusing you are also subconsciously telling yourself it was ok to do A because of B, instead of simply addressing the root cause B.

Quite simply it would be refreshing to see what owen87 said:


* I don't particularly view drug use of several illicit drugs as bad, many are, many aren't.
Yeah exactly. It's a complex issue on the political side of things that I don't really want to dig into here, but I do think the two issues need to be treated on their merits and not conflated.
 
Horne-Francis is going to end up being more trouble than he’s worth for Norf.

They’d be wise to try and get him back to Adelaide as soon as possible
 
Horne-Francis is going to end up being more trouble than he’s worth for Norf.

They’d be wise to try and get him back to Adelaide as soon as possible
Cant work out if he's cutting a frustrated or restless figure
Or possibly both.

Interesting one for them.
 
Illicit drug use suspensions (or whatever) should be the same regardless of mental health. Mental health issues should have the same support and welfare provisions regardless of drug use. If you have both issues, you get both the suspension and the support services.

I really don't get what's going on these days. The players have so much education & get way more advantages & benefits compared to the average punter. Then some of them go & do what Smith did.

Maybe the world really is stuffed.
 
Comes across as a bit of a sook...Goldstein having a crack at him at Q time isn't something you would normally see with a 1st year player....also body language is putrid !

Dunno about sook, throw a highly competitive rookie into a shithouse environment & this is what you get, not the first time we've seen this happen.
 

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I really don't get what's going on these days. The players have so much education & get way more advantages & benefits compared to the average punter. Then some of them go & do what Smith did.

Maybe the world really is stuffed.
Some people need to be taught to do the right thing, others need to be trained.
 
I really don't get what's going on these days. The players have so much education & get way more advantages & benefits compared to the average punter. Then some of them go & do what Smith did.

Maybe the world really is stuffed.

I honestly haven't followed what's been going on but he did a couple lines of blow which some arseh*le caught on their phone, yeah?

Hardly a hanging offence.
 
I really don't get what's going on these days. The players have so much education & get way more advantages & benefits compared to the average punter. Then some of them go & do what Smith did.

Maybe the world really is stuffed.
It all balances out. Players in the 80s could do lines every week in front of 30 people and nothing would be known or come out.

They're kids who want to party like most other kids, but have a lot of money and the idolisation of many to boot.

Personally the only things he did wrong in my opinion is:
(a) Do the drugs when it's a banned substance in his chosen profession;
(b) IF you're going to do (a) then don't do it around any recording devices;
(c) Upon getting caught, blaming mental health.
 
I honestly haven't followed what's been going on but he did a couple lines of blow which some arseh*le caught on their phone, yeah?

Hardly a hanging offence.
There’s two selfies that he sent to someone and they screenshot it which are doing the rounds, and there’s also a video of him taking something in a nightclub (public place).

According to his statement he spiralled after the grand final last year and those photos were a few weeks after that. Something about mental health.

The illicit drugs policy is concerned with in-season positive tests and where drug use becomes public, with three strikes.

First strike is 2 weeks suspension, second strike is 4 weeks and public naming, third strike is 12 weeks. There are apparently also hefty fines but I haven’t found what they are.

Since the current version of the policy was introduced no one has been publicly named, so either the system works very well, the system doesn’t work at all, or they only penalise players who are publicly caught because of how it reflects on the AFL and “community expectations”.

So he got caught. He will be suspended. He’s already suspended for 2 weeks due to the headbutting incident, so he’ll miss 4 weeks altogether.


And he’s out of contract and was apparently getting some big offers from other clubs as a 21 year old midfielder who is currently 9th in the AFLCA player of the year…

I’d say rather a lot of people aren’t particularly happy with him, least of all himself. Though perhaps the Dogs will be able to fit him under the salary cap now after all.
 
Kids just letting of a bit of steam. We should be burning up the wires to get him accross. Coteries can stump for his blow and whatever else it takes. He could do a Frank the Tank with our CEO at the Christmas party - free melatonin jabs too!!
 
There’s two selfies that he sent to someone and they screenshot it which are doing the rounds, and there’s also a video of him taking something in a nightclub (public place).

According to his statement he spiralled after the grand final last year and those photos were a few weeks after that. Something about mental health.

The illicit drugs policy is concerned with in-season positive tests and where drug use becomes public, with three strikes.

First strike is 2 weeks suspension, second strike is 4 weeks and public naming, third strike is 12 weeks. There are apparently also hefty fines but I haven’t found what they are.

Since the current version of the policy was introduced no one has been publicly named, so either the system works very well, the system doesn’t work at all, or they only penalise players who are publicly caught because of how it reflects on the AFL and “community expectations”.

So he got caught. He will be suspended. He’s already suspended for 2 weeks due to the headbutting incident, so he’ll miss 4 weeks altogether.


And he’s out of contract and was apparently getting some big offers from other clubs as a 21 year old midfielder who is currently 9th in the AFLCA player of the year…

I’d say rather a lot of people aren’t particularly happy with him, least of all himself. Though perhaps the Dogs will be able to fit him under the salary cap now after all.
All I'll say is he fits right in at the Dogs.
 
I really don't get what's going on these days. The players have so much education & get way more advantages & benefits compared to the average punter. Then some of them go & do what Smith did.

Maybe the world really is stuffed.
People make bad decisions at times because they are not always as smart as the next bloke. Add in young , lots of free time and a bit of a social media profile and you sometimes see them go off the rails. At the end of the day by time football clubs get them they can already have plenty of bad habits. Some people take more education than others.
 
The sooner they legalise the stuff and we can do away with the hand wringing every time a player gets caught having a few casual nose beers the better imo

Most people are a couple of phone calls away from being able to get their hands on whatever they want so the current approach clearly isn't working, and the only people who benefit are organised crime gangs.
 
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