Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[Yoda_]

Didn’t Naughton only kick like 2 non set shot goals last year?

He’s about as one dimensional as you could possibly imagine

is Naughton the roving, ground ball, high marking small forward we've been crying out for?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Got to wonder how much clubs really care about player welfare when the Dogs sent Libba back on after that first head knock. Mihocek staying on with a hammy. Clubs need to take those decisions out of the players hands

 

[Resistor]

If you're going to have one dimension you might as well be elite at it

 

[MiguelM]

Got to wonder how much clubs really care about player welfare when the Dogs sent Libba back on after that first head knock. Mihocek staying on with a hammy. Clubs need to take those decisions out of the players hands

Yep.

Even when Parish called for help, he was left on for a bit. Then Bevo saying it was a trip at the presser was somehow trying to avoid protocols IMO. That was a bad look from the club too.

Blind freddy could tell it was something more serious.

 

[BrunoV]

Got to wonder how much clubs really care about player welfare when the Dogs sent Libba back on after that first head knock. Mihocek staying on with a hammy. Clubs need to take those decisions out of the players hands

And here I though that a club run by labour lawyers would be at the forefront of player welfare.

 

[Nicholas61]

Got to wonder how much clubs really care about player welfare when the Dogs sent Libba back on after that first head knock. Mihocek staying on with a hammy. Clubs need to take those decisions out of the players hands

I think the Collingwood doctor cleared Nathan Murphy to go back on after he copped that nasty concussion in the GF when the point of McCarthy's shoulder rammed through his head. Murphy couldn't see properly and ruled himself out. This was the blow that ended his career but the doc said he was fine to go.

Paddy Cripps got 3 separate head blows that left him stunned in that final against Melbourne including a nasty one from Pickett where he was down for a while. I don't think he was even assessed and said after the match he copped a few knocks to the head.

The teams that do the right thing are the ones that get penalised in the short term but when these guys show problems later the clubs who employed Dr Nikolas Van Helsing to run things will be in strife.

 

[ghostdog]

the board sticks by him too!

I kind of don't blame tge board for sticking by him, as clumsy as he is at times. He did win them their first premiership in a gazillion years, and they were brilliant in the 21 GF, just not brilliant enough. They would have torched any other side that day. He clearly has runs on the board.

Meanwhile, at Windy Hill Tullamarine...

 

[ghostdog]

And here I though that a club run by labour lawyers would be at the forefront of player welfare.

Wait, is that where we're going? Surely there's another thread somewhere else.

 

[Nicholas61]

With concussions are they going to put the onus on guys trying to take screamers to be careful with their use of knees when jumping into packs. The Gold Coast guy (I think it was Walter) showed no care at all when he kneed Answerth in the back of the head. Answerth was pretty much stationery so Walter knew exactly where he was unlike someone coming from an unforeseen angle. Contrast that marking attempt to Jamie Elliotts where he expertly leapt and put the knees on the shoulders of Big Ben.

 

[faible]

With concussions are they going to put the onus on guys trying to take screamers to be careful with their use of knees when jumping into packs. The Gold Coast guy (I think it was Walter) showed no care at all when he kneed Answerth in the back of the head. Answerth was pretty much stationery so Walter knew exactly where he was unlike someone coming from an unforeseen angle. Contrast that marking attempt to Jamie Elliotts where he expertly leapt and put the knees on the shoulders of Big Ben.

The knee to the head in a marking contest is a glaring omission from any discussion regarding concussions. It's genuinely surprising we haven't seen a serious injury in recent times from it.

 

[Nicholas61]

The knee to the head in a marking contest is a glaring omission from any discussion regarding concussions. It's genuinely surprising we haven't seen a serious injury in recent times from it.

Absolutely. A bit lower and on the back of the neck that guy could well be dead (think Phil Hughes type screnario). Unfortunately the powers that be wait for something nasty to happen. As mentioned Answerth was pretty much stationary so I believe there was sufficient opportunity for Walter to assess the situation as compared to if he came suddenly from the side like Cunningham did with Wright who had a millisecond simply to brace and protect himself - what Walter did was many times worse than Wright imo given the extra time he had and the aggressive use of the knee.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

The knee to the head in a marking contest is a glaring omission from any discussion regarding concussions. It's genuinely surprising we haven't seen a serious injury in recent times from it.

Especially when they made such a big deal about Greene sticking the foot out in marking contest. His action looks unsavoury but the potential to injure is more cosmetic, the knee to back of head has much more potential to cause harm and should be treated the same as a bump. if you elect to do it and are unfortunate enough to hit someone high its still on you for electing to use the knee.
obviously the AFL are thinking about optics as the big hanger is one of the big selling points of the game.

 

[Nicholas61]

Especially when they made such a big deal about Greene sticking the foot out in marking contest. His action looks unsavoury but the potential to injure is more cosmetic, the knee to back of head has much more potential to cause harm and should be treated the same as a bump. if you elect to do it and are unfortunate enough to hit someone high its still on you for electing to use the knee.
obviously the AFL are thinking about optics as the big hanger is one of the big selling points of the game.

The Geelong forwards use to be the worst about a decade ago - Podsiadly in particular used the knee in a nasty deliberate fashion in marking contests. I am surprised no one has been more seriously injured with a knee - I guess Tom Lonergan is one that springs to mind.

 

[kleanr]

With Libba's incidents in our game, maybe the cover up for the second week being our with stomach issues is a cover up for the illicit drugs policy? e.g. he was pinging so hard he collapsed head first.. no concussion or ankle injury here..

 

[kleanr]

Next topic, with the Draper-envisioned fire sale of Footscray coming at years end, who's on your list that meets both criteria:
1 - is gettable, eg. not on a 7 year massive deal (eg. Naughton)
2 - compliments or fills a need in the current EFC list

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Next topic, with the Draper-envisioned fire sale of Footscray coming at years end, who's on your list that meets both criteria:
1 - is gettable, eg. not on a 7 year massive deal (eg. Naughton)
2 - compliments or fills a need in the current EFC list

Naughton would be up there if he wasnt on a huge contract, length wise. Either as a high half forward who can take a contested grab or an intercepting defender.
I wouldnt mind daniel for his foot skills and decision making.
Obviously JUH, Bont or Darcy but I reckon theyd be as unlikely as Naughton.
I dont want anything to do with weightman and none of their other small forwards are impressive.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Next topic, with the Draper-envisioned fire sale of Footscray coming at years end, who's on your list that meets both criteria:
1 - is gettable, eg. not on a 7 year massive deal (eg. Naughton)
2 - compliments or fills a need in the current EFC list

Probably just Weightman or one of their rebounding defenders

 

[Pweter]

The knee to the head in a marking contest is a glaring omission from any discussion regarding concussions. It's genuinely surprising we haven't seen a serious injury in recent times from it.

Absolutely. A bit lower and on the back of the neck that guy could well be dead (think Phil Hughes type screnario). Unfortunately the powers that be wait for something nasty to happen. As mentioned Answerth was pretty much stationary so I believe there was sufficient opportunity for Walter to assess the situation as compared to if he came suddenly from the side like Cunningham did with Wright who had a millisecond simply to brace and protect himself - what Walter did was many times worse than Wright imo given the extra time he had and the aggressive use of the knee.

Especially when they made such a big deal about Greene sticking the foot out in marking contest. His action looks unsavoury but the potential to injure is more cosmetic, the knee to back of head has much more potential to cause harm and should be treated the same as a bump. if you elect to do it and are unfortunate enough to hit someone high its still on you for electing to use the knee.
obviously the AFL are thinking about optics as the big hanger is one of the big selling points of the game.

Really?

So if someone is coming back with the flight (Cunningham) or standing under the ball drop (Answerth), we now just let them mark it?

If you're saying the raised knee is the issue then we might as well say right now that you can only go for a mark if you jump off 2 feet. Whether there's an opponent there or not is moot, to remove all chance of injury to anyone, jump off 2 feet.

Is that what we really want? Walter hardly expected to knee Answerth in the head, he was attacking the contest at speed so he could get there and get high enough to mark the ball over Answerth while giving his defender next to no chance to spoil it fairly. There wasn't a late change in approach to protect himself, the only other option was to stop and let Answerth attempt the mark unopposed, despite Walter being the only person in the eventual contest that got hands to the ball.

 

[Call Me Cake]

 

[faible]

Really?

So if someone is coming back with the flight (Cunningham) or standing under the ball drop (Answerth), we now just let them mark it?

If you're saying the raised knee is the issue then we might as well say right now that you can only go for a mark if you jump off 2 feet. Whether there's an opponent there or not is moot, to remove all chance of injury to anyone, jump off 2 feet.

Is that what we really want? Walter hardly expected to knee Answerth in the head, he was attacking the contest at speed so he could get there and get high enough to mark the ball over Answerth while giving his defender next to no chance to spoil it fairly. There wasn't a late change in approach to protect himself, the only other option was to stop and let Answerth attempt the mark unopposed, despite Walter being the only person in the eventual contest that got hands to the ball.

Not sure why you quoted me in this.

If they're trying to protect players from concussion, you'd think a knee to the back of the head would be mentioned.

 

[Pweter]

Not sure why you quoted me in this.

If they're trying to protect players from concussion, you'd think a knee to the back of the head would be mentioned.

The only way to protect players from concussion is to only allow 1 person to go for the ball in the air or on the ground at all times, that way collision accidents won't happen (unless a player doesn't see another going for the same ball). I don't think anyone wants to see that, so where it the line reasonably drawn?

 

[katana]

i could be missing something obvious but does a knee to the back of the head ever happen? jamie elliot nearly got his knees to a player's head - he only made the shoulders - and that's like, the biggest leap we've seen in years.

 

[Pweter]

i could be missing something obvious but does a knee to the back of the head ever happen? jamie elliot nearly got his knees to a player's head - he only made the shoulders - and that's like, the biggest leap we've seen in years.

It happened on Sunday to Noah Answerth

 

[faible]

i could be missing something obvious but does a knee to the back of the head ever happen? jamie elliot nearly got his knees to a player's head - he only made the shoulders - and that's like, the biggest leap we've seen in years.

Beau blow after brutal knee to face forces sub

Collingwood is dealt a cruel injury headache in the second term with Beau McCreery subbed out after copping an errant knee

www.afl.com.au

This happened only last week, not necessarily exactly the same as what we're talking about but a good example of where you don't have to get the highest of marks to impact the head.

 

[faible]

It happened on Sunday to Noah Answerth

Injury havoc continues as Answerth cops brutal head knock

Noah Answerth has entered concussion protocols after taking a knee to the head in the opening term

www.afl.com.au

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