Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[ant555]

Andrew McQualter set to be named West Coast coach

The Eagles have made their choice.

www.sen.com.au

 

[doug85]

Port Adelaide fuming at perceived Carlton arrogance in early Dan Houston trade negotiations

Port Adelaide is refusing to deal with Carlton over Dan Houston.

www.sen.com.au

Dodo doing some freelance work at Carlton?

 

[Yoda_]

As much as Kane Cornes gets a raw deal, he is 100% spot on with his take on the Shai Bolton

29

Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

trade request (to WCE)

pay up big time or we keep you. You were happy to sign a long term deal when the going was good, now its ought you wanna jump ship. Not on.

 

[Runk]

Carlton #hardtodealwith

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Listening to David King on SEN this morning is not disappointing, still trying to dig his heels in whilst begrudgingly congratulating Fagan.

 

[bommer16]

Is there a chance we can get Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

or not required?

 

[bombreys]

Is there a chance we can get Dan Houston or not required?

Don't think we have the ammo this year. And wouldn't want to trade an F1 for him.

 

[Vindicater]

Is there a chance we can get Dan Houston or not required?

He would help immensely.

 

[mike14]

Got around to watching the GF replay on Kayo (was too busy talking shit on the day to watch most of it).
BT calling Chris Fagan 'Dennis Pagan' at 3/4 time was a highlight

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Got around to watching the GF replay on Kayo (was too busy talking shit on the day to watch most of it).
BT calling Chris Fagan 'Dennis Pagan' at 3/4 time was a highlight

He's had a shocker of finals series in regards to mixing names up. I think he kept mixing boak and another Port player up last week and at one point said "Boak kicks to Boak"

 

[astrowizzle]

He's had a shocker of finals series in regards to mixing names up. I think he kept mixing boak and another Port player up last week and at one point said "Boak kicks to Boak"

There ya go he took too many head knocks

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Robbo to leave 360. No word on why but rumour will become Hird’s chauffeur

 

[Old Campaigner]

Robbo to leave 360. No word on why but rumour will become Hird’s chauffeur

Dude sounds incoherent, wouldn’t surprise me if it’s some combination of alcohol induced brain damage, liver disease and heart problems

 

[BrunoV]

Listening to David King on SEN this morning is not disappointing, still trying to dig his heels in whilst begrudgingly congratulating Fagan.

I thought Fagan had run his race. I'm not convinced that he hasn't. It's been a weird, particularly weak season. I don't think any final rose to any great height in terms of the quality albeit that there were some decent spectacles.

It's not that Fagan is not good, obviously, just that perhaps a fresh set of eyes is needed to help the Lions evolve. I think of it like Bomber leaving Geelong and being replaced by Scott. Admittedly, he is in year 8 and Brisbane could also be Hawthorn 2012, just about to start its dynasty. But I don't see Fagan at the same point in the cycle even if his players are.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I thought Fagan had run his race. I'm not convinced that he hasn't. It's been a weird, particularly weak season. I don't think any final rose to any great height in terms of the quality albeit that there were some decent spectacles.

It's not that Fagan is not good, obviously, just that perhaps a fresh set of eyes is needed to help the Lions evolve. I think of it like Bomber leaving Geelong and being replaced by Scott. Admittedly, he is in year 8 and Brisbane could also be Hawthorn 2012, just about to start its dynasty. But I don't see Fagan at the same point in the cycle even if his players are.

I think it’s just extremely difficult to pinpoint the reasons for a club’s success or lack thereof from the outside. The head coach attracts the most attention but clearly the quality of the assistant coaches and football department more generally are critical as well and it would take a skilled observer within the club’s four walls to identify where a potential deficiency lies.

It won’t stop people speculating of course but I don’t think it’s worth getting too attached to a particular assumption about anything football related

 

[joey_jo_jo]

I thought Fagan had run his race. I'm not convinced that he hasn't. It's been a weird, particularly weak season. I don't think any final rose to any great height in terms of the quality albeit that there were some decent spectacles.

It's not that Fagan is not good, obviously, just that perhaps a fresh set of eyes is needed to help the Lions evolve. I think of it like Bomber leaving Geelong and being replaced by Scott. Admittedly, he is in year 8 and Brisbane could also be Hawthorn 2012, just about to start its dynasty. But I don't see Fagan at the same point in the cycle even if his players are.

Yeah I'm still not sure whether Fagan can coach a dynasty team, but my swipe at King is more in relation to how tunnel visioned and overconfident he is in his readings of stats/trends.
He just sees that X style or X type of players wins the highest % of games based on the stats provided to him by CD, and then goes too hard at any team/coach that doesn't meet this "profile".
Today he was at a loss to explain how the lions brainstrust dismantled the swans so focused his energy on individual player efforts.

I havent had time to research but I suspect that guys like King probably criticised the 2018 Eagles in a similar fashion for being the anti-richmond.

 

[windyhill]

Yes son.

Re-watched the game. Ashcroft clear winner.

 

[MiguelM]

I thought Fagan had run his race. I'm not convinced that he hasn't. It's been a weird, particularly weak season. I don't think any final rose to any great height in terms of the quality albeit that there were some decent spectacles.

It's not that Fagan is not good, obviously, just that perhaps a fresh set of eyes is needed to help the Lions evolve. I think of it like Bomber leaving Geelong and being replaced by Scott. Admittedly, he is in year 8 and Brisbane could also be Hawthorn 2012, just about to start its dynasty. But I don't see Fagan at the same point in the cycle even if his players are.

A team of stars certainly helps. Also, coming from the position they were in earlier in the year they just gained momentum at the right end of the season.

Re Fagan, players obviously back him and play their guts out for him which goes a long way to being successful.

Could have just as easily been knocked out by the Cats. It is a game of inches.

 

[MiguelM]

Re-watched the game. Ashcroft clear winner.

How clean was he by hand and foot!

 

[dank420_]

I'm glad Fage's 8 year plan came to fruition.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Was good to see Ben Cousins smiling and looking healthy/good on the Front Bar stuff like that brings joy.

 

[ghostdog]

I thought Fagan had run his race. I'm not convinced that he hasn't. It's been a weird, particularly weak season. I don't think any final rose to any great height in terms of the quality albeit that there were some decent spectacles.

It's not that Fagan is not good, obviously, just that perhaps a fresh set of eyes is needed to help the Lions evolve. I think of it like Bomber leaving Geelong and being replaced by Scott. Admittedly, he is in year 8 and Brisbane could also be Hawthorn 2012, just about to start its dynasty. But I don't see Fagan at the same point in the cycle even if his players are.

He just coached them from fifth to a premiership. The players are highly motivated and already talking about 'running it back.' I don't reckon they think he has 'run his race' at all. You might be mistaking him for Ken.

 

[Call Me Cake]

I thought Fagan had run his race. I'm not convinced that he hasn't. It's been a weird, particularly weak season. I don't think any final rose to any great height in terms of the quality albeit that there were some decent spectacles.

It's not that Fagan is not good, obviously, just that perhaps a fresh set of eyes is needed to help the Lions evolve. I think of it like Bomber leaving Geelong and being replaced by Scott. Admittedly, he is in year 8 and Brisbane could also be Hawthorn 2012, just about to start its dynasty. But I don't see Fagan at the same point in the cycle even if his players are.

If he didn't take them to the summit this year or didn't play finals I'd say you were right but he was able to dig them out of a rut and to a flag in a season, that deserves credit and the benefit of the doubt. Shit take.

 

[justlookingaround]

Yeah I'm still not sure whether Fagan can coach a dynasty team, but my swipe at King is more in relation to how tunnel visioned and overconfident he is in his readings of stats/trends.
He just sees that X style or X type of players wins the highest % of games based on the stats provided to him by CD, and then goes too hard at any team/coach that doesn't meet this "profile".
Today he was at a loss to explain how the lions brainstrust dismantled the swans so focused his energy on individual player efforts.

I havent had time to research but I suspect that guys like King probably criticised the 2018 Eagles in a similar fashion for being the anti-richmond.

I never got the doubts on Fagan, Brisbane have gotten better with every season he's been in charge.
Unless they have a premiership hangover, I'd back them to get even better next year. Even with a hangover they won't exactly be doubting themselves if they're outside the 8 midseason...
They are getting the kid unanimously seen as the #1 draft pick through father-son, Coleman back from ACL, another preseason into Lohmann and Morris, McCluggage in the peak of his career, Rayner becoming elite.... they are going to be good for a very long time and have the sort of list profile in which there is a real opportunity for sustained success.

Compare us and them since that 2016 draft where we finished 18/17

 

[Rick Ross]

I never got the doubts on Fagan, Brisbane have gotten better with every season he's been in charge.
Unless they have a premiership hangover, I'd back them to get even better next year. Even with a hangover they won't exactly be doubting themselves if they're outside the 8 midseason...
They are getting the kid unanimously seen as the #1 draft pick through father-son, Coleman back from ACL, another preseason into Lohmann and Morris, McCluggage in the peak of his career, Rayner becoming elite.... they are going to be good for a very long time and have the sort of list profile in which there is a real opportunity for sustained success.

Compare us and them since that 2016 draft where we finished 18/17

Looks like they will lose Joey D’s 58 goals… maybe they should make a play for Stringer?