Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2024 Part 2

[Eski3]

Unless the council compensates EF for lost gate takings, I can't see how that could work.

I've heard (second hand) that the line the council is taking is that due to the expanded facilities they expect more people to come and spend money on food and drink and the club can take money from that.

I don't see how it's going to work

 

[DeanS]

Surely you'd think the football club would have had these details locked away before they agreed to vacate to allow the redevelopment. I believe the phrase is "due diligence".

 

[Eski3]

I do wonder if the council is regretting saying anything about the logo now it's been picked up in the news as some culture war thing

 

[Big Animal]

East Freo typically gets the gold medal for parking fines in this city beating out Stirling and Perth for the lesser podium finishes. Surely they have more than enough money to cover the missed gate takings. They'll probably make it just from the fines issued around the ground before the game is even over which they can pass onto the sharks, plus there will be some extra for their donut run on Monday mornings. I don't see how this can't be a win win.

 

[DragoDelph]

I do wonder if the council is regretting saying anything about the logo now it's been picked up in the news as some culture war thing

Someone from East Perth needs to put a great big baby shark sticker up over it.

 

[MadMundy]

I for one look forward to South Fremantle being at the bottom for many years to come, less competition for Swans.

 

[serial_thrilla]

I do wonder if the council is regretting saying anything about the logo now it's been picked up in the news as some culture war thing

Has the word "woke" been thrown out there yet?

 

[DragoDelph]

I for one look forward to South Fremantle being at the bottom for many years to come, less competition for Swans.

Nah, in and around finals should have Suma primed for the next West Coast opening in a few years

 

[MadMundy]

Nah, in and around finals should have Suma primed for the next West Coast opening in a few years

Who knows, they just need a little tinkering and he'll have them right up around 9th!!

 

[gaskin]

Unless the council compensates EF for lost gate takings, I can't see how that could work.

When talks about the redevelopment began the rumour I heard was that because it was going to be all open, Moss Street would be compensated for lost gate takings by the Government. The only games they could put up temporary fencing for were Derby's and finals games.

Whether or not that happens is another matter.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

When talks about the redevelopment began the rumour I heard was that because it was going to be all open, Moss Street would be compensated for lost gate takings by the Government. The only games they could put up temporary fencing for were Derby's and finals games.

Whether or not that happens is another matter.

Temp fencing for specific games sounds stupid expensive and a terrible idea

 

[Paracleet]

How does that work for security reasons alone?

I get a fence isn't the prettiest thing, but is a necessity.

This is not an issue happening in isolation. Something similar has already been played out at Leederville Oval and Litis Stadium. I'm sure it has elsewhere too, this is just the area where I happen to live. Without going into the details of what happened there the upshot of the general trend around town is I'd say there is absolutely no way East Freo will get the whole facility fenced off with a new fence allowing exclusive use. They'll have to make their money (which in fairness probably every club except Swanies get 90% of their money from anyway) from charging entry to the stand.

If the council is not allowing them to a) create an exclusive use area in and around the stand game day b) allowing at least low fencing to demarcate the playing area*, then they are probably not being reasonable. Flip side everyone will need to get their heads around the idea that most local authorities are not going to subsidize traditional semi professional sports to extent they used to anymore: I.E. No more exclusive use of council owned and maintained property. You'll have to cut a deal.


*We'll see if this current fashion survives the first court case after a dog walker gets donged in the head with ball eh?

 

[Taylor]

If these clubs don't have to buy the land they play on because it's seen as a community amenity then they shouldn't be able to seize it for their own personal gain. If the club owns the land and wasn't granted it from government, or wasn't granted bulk cash to build things there, then they can exclude the general public from the community space.

 

[freo_leo29]

https://archive.md/MtlWC

Well this is just bizarre...

State Government steps in over controversial shark logo at redeveloped East Fremantle football facility​

A push from a local council for East Fremantle’s Shark logo to be barred from its new facility has been shut down by the State Government.
East Fremantle are yet to return to their redeveloped facility despite the $34m upgrades being completed earlier this year. The club has been without a home ground for the past two seasons.
The two parties have been unable to reach an agreement, with several sticking points holding up a deal for the club to use the facilities.
It is understood members of the Town of East Fremantle council didn’t want the Sharks logo displayed at the ground because it was seen as confronting for families at the nearby playground.
Speculation that the club wouldn’t be able to call themselves the “Sharks” was not correct and the The West Australian can confirm the government, who has stepped in to help negotiations between the two parties, has shut that request down and the club will be allow use the logo on the building.

It is understood members of the Town of East Fremantle council didn’t want the Sharks logo displayed at the ground because it was seen as confronting for families at the nearby playground.
They will also allow the club to have a mining company as a sponsor after the council also requested that they not be able to if they return to Shark Park.
It also believed the club is still hopeful that they will be able to display memorabilia in the club rooms after the council rejected the proposal because of the local cafe that has also been installed.
East Fremantle’s push for a fence to be built around the ground so entry fees can be charged on gamedays has already been rejected by the council.
Sources close to the negotiations believe they are not far off coming to an agreement under the supervision of the State Government.

The club is believed to have lost $500,000 over the past two seasons because of their lack of home ground and are desperate to return to their facilities to start making money again.
The Sharks even hosted Claremont at the Tigers’ own home ground on Sunday in an elimination final which they lost.
Sources have told The West while the ordeal has put a financial strain on the club they are not in danger of folding and will compete in the 2025 season.
East Fremantle Football Club declined to comment.

The Sharks are on the hunt for a new football boss after the experienced Brad Dodd departed to take up the role at Perth.
Meanwhile, the Sharks are on the hunt for a new football boss after the experienced Brad Dodd departed to take up the role at Perth.
Dodd will oversee the Demons football program after being instrumental in both their WAFL and WAFL premierships last season.

Council have been well and truly taking the piss


It's ****en ridiculous

 

[AstonSouffle]

(I work in LG) - seeing it play out where both sides internally... they always deliberately murky the waters, I strongly suspect East Freo have flexed their muscles a tad when East Freo the club asked for things in addition to what was already agreed to.

The culture wars nonsense is water off a duck's back, it's forgotten about in two weeks. They would have done that to show the decision makers at the club they hold the power to influence even on something as silly as a Shark logo.

The whole point of the revamp wasn't to build a facility to gift to a semi-professional football club, it was to activate a prime parcel of land with amenities that could benefit the entire community. There's a win-win in there, but I suspect it's not playing out that way.

Also surprised that the Dockers were never considerations to do a Cockburn style upgrade of the place.

 

[MadMundy]

Finals Footy starts tonight, let's go.....checks notes The Port Adelaide Power Football Club.

 

[Joao]

Finals Footy starts tonight, let's go.....checks notes The Port Adelaide Power Football Club.

 

[DragoDelph]

I don't see any way that Hinkley gets the boot this year. Even straight sets can be spun as missing key players.

This is going to be glorious.

 

[MadMundy]

Nah **** Geelong, hope they go out in straight sets, right up there in the same league with Carlton and West Coast for mine, one of the least likeable teams in the league.

 

[Joao]

Nah **** Geelong, hope they go out in straight sets, right up there in the same league with Carlton and West Coast for mine, one of the least likeable teams in the league.

 

[pK75]

Nah **** Geelong, hope they go out in straight sets, right up there in the same league with Carlton and West Coast for mine, one of the least likeable teams in the league.

Happy for Geelong to win today and lose another prelim. Port out in straight sets improves our pick, port and Sydney going out in straight sets optimises it, so Carn the Cats and Giants, the death ride ain’t over yet!

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Happy for Geelong to win today and lose another prelim. Port out in straight sets improves our pick, port and Sydney going out in straight sets optimises it, so Carn the Cats and Giants, the death ride ain’t over yet!

I would still like Sydney to win the premiership, just in case...

 

[Kapow!!!]

Nah **** Geelong, hope they go out in straight sets, right up there in the same league with Carlton and West Coast for mine, one of the least likeable teams in the league.

I used to have the same thoughts about Geelong but only in the last 2-3 years they've really softened on me. I just have to respect them as a club. Have moved them from the despised category past disliked and into the mildly approve of.

But on the flip side, 0 Vic teams in the Grand Final and 0 Prelims at the G would be great for the competition. Kinda going for Port here.

 

[wakojako]

I would still like Sydney to win the premiership, just in case...

This is just my opinion but at the beginning of the year I would be 100% behind Warner. Now that Pickett has indicated he wants to return home at some stage I think the club really needs to consider its options. Warner will give us a top four midfield but won't Bolton do that anyway? If Bolton plays majority midfield we still need an elite small forward. Our pressure I50 will only get worse adding Warner.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This is just my opinion but at the beginning of the year I would be 100% behind Warner. Now that Pickett has indicated he wants to return home at some stage I think the club really needs to consider its options. Warner will give us a top four midfield but won't Bolton do that anyway? If Bolton plays majority midfield we still need an elite small forward. Our pressure I50 will only get worse adding Warner.

If we take the Pickett stuff on face value, I would personally say to Warner, I'm really sorry but I can't turn down Pickett and we can't fit you all in. We can't wait a year to maybe get you instead of the exact player we need right now.

Pickett is also a lot cheaper salary wise. I would personally go Pickett/Bolton as my first preference even if it means being a dick to Warner after chasing him for years