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I thought Bombers were gone ... but they've just popped a point ahead of Freo in the 4th!
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And put us in 4th!I thought Bombers were gone ... but they've just popped a point ahead of Freo in the 4th!
That ladder is just crazy at the moment.
With one kick we went from 8th on the live ladder to 3rd
1 kick - 5 ladder spots. Mental.
With one kick we went from 8th on the live ladder to 3rd
1 kick - 5 ladder spots. Mental.
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And just as easily we unfortunately could slide down the ladder - all our 3 remaining games have huge ramifications for us and the other final candidates
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Just keep winning and the rest will follow.
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Had Essendon lost that, I would have declared the 8 done!
I think we are now good. If we win our last 3, we are second at worst.
I think we are now good. If we win our last 3, we are second at worst.
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Freo play cats, us and then port 
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No excuses.
We don’t make top four it’s on us.
We don’t make top four it’s on us.
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Lesser Eastern have 3 easy games leading up to finals.
They still finish top.
All we need to do is finish 4th with them finishing top and we play all finals bar the GF at home. Been saying that for weeks
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And South always choke on their wine when they play the Giants in finals
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Yeah, 4th is an OK spot. First game still in Sydney, and we can beat the Swans at the SCG. Then we'd stay in Sydney until the GF. Lose and there would be an interstate game. 3rd place would probably be worst, going interstate first up, and likely to Brisbane rather than Melbourne, and a tough opponent in the Lions. 2nd would be pretty good if we could beat the Lions and more.
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But they play Cats and Port at Optus - so will be favourites to win these games. Of course as recent weeks have shown favourites don’t always win, but Fremantle would be expected to get to 14.5 wins.Freo play cats, us and then port
If we lose to Brisbane next week as the market expects, then we have to beat Freo (at Giants Stadium) and Bulldogs (at Mars) to finish ahead of Fremantle.
Our team has shown they can do anything, but objectively I would think Fremantle should finish ahead of us? I obviously hope not
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And we have never ever lost to South Melbourne in a final (currently we have a 3-0 final record). Maybe 2016 repeated with us beating the Minor Premiers South, and (unlike last time) winning the Preliminary to make the Grand Final?
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Hopefully the umpiring is unbiased in the prelim this time round.
I think Richmond FC are all set to be the basket case of the AFL. Their list is absolute rubbish, they have no depth, a dearth of young talent and just about to be completely gutted at the trade table.
With Tassie coming in I can see them having a 10 year stint outside of finals and given their recent success there won’t be any priority picks coming, Laura the Explorer will have to plant some good NGA’s there! Losing Dusty for no compo is the cherry on top, f*** them
With Tassie coming in I can see them having a 10 year stint outside of finals and given their recent success there won’t be any priority picks coming, Laura the Explorer will have to plant some good NGA’s there! Losing Dusty for no compo is the cherry on top, f*** them
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Wonder if theyll think about off loading Hopper and Taranto, they are on long and expensive contracts.
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It seems like alot of their best players want to leave. If they get overs trade wise for them they will be OK.
For Taranto, Hopper, I don't think any chance of making finals until 2027, so 2022,23 24,25 26 are wasted seasons for them.
A bit sad for them, but we don't know exactly why/ what Richmond told them at the time.
Maybe they suggested lots of free agent signings to replace Cotchin, Reiwoldt etc.
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Or the chance to play under Dimma to heighten their careers.
They were sold an absolute lemon.
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they need to keep some mature players on the list.
Wonder if they are regretting their decisions.
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Nup. Just counting their $$$$$$$$.
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Clearly they are. Taranto is wanting the players to stay, he doesn't want another meaningless year/s in his career.
I don't blame him for leaving, he gave his best for 6 years. Things didn't look good in 2022 at GWS.
He might yet win a flag there, and not miss out here.
Just not in 2024 to 2026.
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They did the hard yards in building GWS as a club ... now they're going to do it all over again rebuilding Richmond.
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They have my sympathy
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Geez… Taranto and Hopper couldn’t be unhappy as they are both on great coin and doing what they love. I hope it makes players in the future a bit more wary… although in saying that we fleeced them.
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Zurich Insurance Group introduces blanket concussion exclusion for new AFL players in wake of giant payouts
Jay Clark
08 August 2024
Updated 2 minutes ago
News Sport Network
Global insurance provider Zurich has shut the gate on concussion claims for new AFL players after a series of million-dollar payouts.
The Herald Sun can reveal three former AFL players – St Kilda and Sydney defender Paddy McCartin, Western Bulldogs and Brisbane Lions fullback Marcus Adams and Collingwood and Adelaide playmaker Paul Seedsman – have recently received seven-figure payouts for head trauma.
All three had retired due to the debilitating effects of on-field concussions that they said had impacted their ability to work and caused devastating symptoms such as memory loss, moodiness, nausea, sensitivity to light and noise and sleeplessness.
And following big payouts to the trio, and several other smaller claims, Zurich last month introduced a blanket concussion exclusion from professional sporting claims for new clients.
The change has triggered fears footballers will be left financially exposed, with some of the league’s top agents at an AFL Players’ Association conference on Wednesday accusing the insurance provider of walking out on the game’s stars amid the concussion crisis.
A senior Zurich manager confirmed that new AFL clients could not claim for concussion under the so-called Active policy in email on July 11.
“The business has made a decision to exclude concussion on all professional sportspeople,” the email said.
“No benefit will be payable for any claim where the condition or event giving rise to the claim is directly or indirectly related to concussion or traumatic injury, including complications.
“This includes chronic traumatic encephalopathy or (chronic) post-concussion syndrome or any other future diagnosis linked to head trauma.”
Player agents are now understood to be weighing up alternative cover options amid growing concerns about the impacts of brain injuries.
Four AFL players have been forced into medical retirement this year due to concussions, including Collingwood’s Nathan Murphy and Josh Carmichael, Melbourne’s Angus Brayshaw and Western Bulldogs’ Aiden O’Driscoll.
Last week, Murphy said he still suffered “constant headaches” and had days where he did “not want to get out of bed”, 10 months after his Grand Final head-knock.
Players do not have a group trauma insurance policy that covers concussions, meaning they have to take out their own individual policies in conjunction with their agents.
AFL concussion victims without trauma cover only have access to money from their existing player contracts, the AFLPA’s $25m injury and hardship fund and the players’ superannuation fund which is a death and total permanent disability policy.
That hardship money will increase to a total of $54m by 2027, following talks between the association and the AFL.
But specialist insurance adviser Adriana Oreskov, who has handled some of the most prominent AFL players’ concussion claims, including those of Kade Kolodjashnij and Guy Walker from Melbourne, and West Coast’s Patrick Bines, said the current group of players were at major risk.
“Some of these players who have suffered brain injuries on the field are unable to work again,” Oreskov said.
“The impacts can be devastating and we have seen a number of players retire recently, but the reality is there can be lifelong consequences. So it doesn’t just end their careers, it can really restrict their livelihoods and their ability to look after and provide for their families.
“More and more players are realising they need to protect themselves and I would really encourage them to assess their options in this space.”
The revelations come little over a week after the Herald Sun revealed that the AFL’s landmark $25 million brain injury research program had stalled amid marathon negotiations on how it would work.
Announced in late 2022, the Brain Health Initiative is the biggest financial commitment the league has made to examining the impact of head knocks – an issue which has also sparked a class action involving more than 100 former players against the AFL.
But while the league has accepted that studying the brains of deceased former players is critical for the initiative to be meaningful, it has declined to respond to questions about the progress of negotiations with brain bank facilities.
The Herald Sun on July 30 revealed that meetings about partnering with two brain banks – the Australian Sports Brain Bank and the Sydney Brain Bank – have failed to lead to any agreements.
Back in September 2020, former AFL chief Gillon McLachlan pledged to do “whatever” was necessary to ensure players’ safety after a post-mortem diagnosis revealed tragic St Kilda great Danny Frawley – who suffered about 20 concussions while playing – had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a degenerative brain disease caused by repeated head trauma.
In October 2022, with no brain bank deal on the horizon, Anita Frawley said: “They (the AFL) should just get on with it,” she told Herald Sun. “My girls and I … see this as potentially one of Danny’s greatest legacies as he would want every AFL, AFLW and any football player to have the right to donate their brain to Australian Sports Brain Bank.”
The AFL has also faced embarrassing revelations one of its experts, Dr Paul McCrory, had plagiarised and altered scientificquotes – with the league conceding in 2022 that there had been a “number of inadequacies” with its longstanding research.
Jay Clark
08 August 2024
Updated 2 minutes ago
News Sport Network
Global insurance provider Zurich has shut the gate on concussion claims for new AFL players after a series of million-dollar payouts.
The Herald Sun can reveal three former AFL players – St Kilda and Sydney defender Paddy McCartin, Western Bulldogs and Brisbane Lions fullback Marcus Adams and Collingwood and Adelaide playmaker Paul Seedsman – have recently received seven-figure payouts for head trauma.
All three had retired due to the debilitating effects of on-field concussions that they said had impacted their ability to work and caused devastating symptoms such as memory loss, moodiness, nausea, sensitivity to light and noise and sleeplessness.
And following big payouts to the trio, and several other smaller claims, Zurich last month introduced a blanket concussion exclusion from professional sporting claims for new clients.
The change has triggered fears footballers will be left financially exposed, with some of the league’s top agents at an AFL Players’ Association conference on Wednesday accusing the insurance provider of walking out on the game’s stars amid the concussion crisis.
A senior Zurich manager confirmed that new AFL clients could not claim for concussion under the so-called Active policy in email on July 11.
“The business has made a decision to exclude concussion on all professional sportspeople,” the email said.
“No benefit will be payable for any claim where the condition or event giving rise to the claim is directly or indirectly related to concussion or traumatic injury, including complications.
“This includes chronic traumatic encephalopathy or (chronic) post-concussion syndrome or any other future diagnosis linked to head trauma.”
Player agents are now understood to be weighing up alternative cover options amid growing concerns about the impacts of brain injuries.
Four AFL players have been forced into medical retirement this year due to concussions, including Collingwood’s Nathan Murphy and Josh Carmichael, Melbourne’s Angus Brayshaw and Western Bulldogs’ Aiden O’Driscoll.
Last week, Murphy said he still suffered “constant headaches” and had days where he did “not want to get out of bed”, 10 months after his Grand Final head-knock.
Players do not have a group trauma insurance policy that covers concussions, meaning they have to take out their own individual policies in conjunction with their agents.
AFL concussion victims without trauma cover only have access to money from their existing player contracts, the AFLPA’s $25m injury and hardship fund and the players’ superannuation fund which is a death and total permanent disability policy.
That hardship money will increase to a total of $54m by 2027, following talks between the association and the AFL.
But specialist insurance adviser Adriana Oreskov, who has handled some of the most prominent AFL players’ concussion claims, including those of Kade Kolodjashnij and Guy Walker from Melbourne, and West Coast’s Patrick Bines, said the current group of players were at major risk.
“Some of these players who have suffered brain injuries on the field are unable to work again,” Oreskov said.
“The impacts can be devastating and we have seen a number of players retire recently, but the reality is there can be lifelong consequences. So it doesn’t just end their careers, it can really restrict their livelihoods and their ability to look after and provide for their families.
“More and more players are realising they need to protect themselves and I would really encourage them to assess their options in this space.”
The revelations come little over a week after the Herald Sun revealed that the AFL’s landmark $25 million brain injury research program had stalled amid marathon negotiations on how it would work.
Announced in late 2022, the Brain Health Initiative is the biggest financial commitment the league has made to examining the impact of head knocks – an issue which has also sparked a class action involving more than 100 former players against the AFL.
But while the league has accepted that studying the brains of deceased former players is critical for the initiative to be meaningful, it has declined to respond to questions about the progress of negotiations with brain bank facilities.
The Herald Sun on July 30 revealed that meetings about partnering with two brain banks – the Australian Sports Brain Bank and the Sydney Brain Bank – have failed to lead to any agreements.
Back in September 2020, former AFL chief Gillon McLachlan pledged to do “whatever” was necessary to ensure players’ safety after a post-mortem diagnosis revealed tragic St Kilda great Danny Frawley – who suffered about 20 concussions while playing – had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a degenerative brain disease caused by repeated head trauma.
In October 2022, with no brain bank deal on the horizon, Anita Frawley said: “They (the AFL) should just get on with it,” she told Herald Sun. “My girls and I … see this as potentially one of Danny’s greatest legacies as he would want every AFL, AFLW and any football player to have the right to donate their brain to Australian Sports Brain Bank.”
The AFL has also faced embarrassing revelations one of its experts, Dr Paul McCrory, had plagiarised and altered scientificquotes – with the league conceding in 2022 that there had been a “number of inadequacies” with its longstanding research.
