Discussion North Melbourne's home jumper going forward

[Hank93]

Man U v Man City, both teams with totally different shirts but wearing the same coloured shorts.



Contrast is fine, no clash created. North wearing similar coloured shorts but the same top would be no different.

 

[Red Crow]

More sense in the last six posts than every head in the AFL uniform department combined, apparently.

 

[Gibbsy]

More sense in the last six posts than every head in the AFL uniform department combined, apparently.

The Premier League get it right every time and there's never any guesswork as to what teams will wear. It shouldn't be difficult in the AFL either – there just needs to be a preference system and the AFL takes a look at each match-up each week (or before the start of the year even) and designates uniforms based on club preference. I have a feeling this preference thing already exists somewhat behind closed doors given those tweets from North.

So in a preferential system you might have Carlton's 1st pref as dark/dark, 2nd pref as dark/light, 3rd pref as light/light, and so forth. For Collingwood it's probably the same thing. But then for a team like Freo, who don't like to mix and match, their 1st pref would be dark/dark, 2nd pref light/light, 3rd pref dark/light etc.

And then for each match-up you just look at a visual spectacle and get each team's best preferences working down the list. So Carlton vs Freo then. Carlton 1st pref dark/dark, Freo 1st pref dark/dark clashes. Carlton's 2nd pref dark/light still clashes, Freo's 2nd pref light/light does not.

I think in the future it'll less about "home" and "away" jumpers and more about preferences.

 

[HTT]

Yeah exactly. I would have no issues with this:

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But the AFL does. For whatever reason they don't like coloured shorts vs coloured shorts unless they're red (that strange, weird colour that is supposedly neither dark nor light)

So if the AFL deem the above unsatisfactory, then I would much rather this:

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than North getting to go full home strip but Carlton having to trot out in yellow or green or something ridiculous. And I reckon most footy fans would feel the same way. Imagine a grand final where the Blues became the Pinks because the home team didn't want to change their shorts colour?

AFL Logic: Red isn't dark or light, but royal blue definitely is dark

 

[oak79]

AFL Logic: Red isn't dark or light, but royal blue definitely is dark

But Royal blue is only dark when its on shorts. WCE wear Royal tops away v Dark teams regularly.

 

[ashley12]

But Royal blue is only dark when its on shorts. WCE wear Royal tops away v Dark teams regularly.

This is what annoys me the most about the policy. Particularly if WCE play say, Carlton away. Our top is 80% royal, they are in 95% navy, if that isn't an issue, why should it be an issue for the shorts? Either the home shorts don't clash, or the shirts do

 

[shaqsuns]

Isn't it time to finally ditch this white shorts away rule 100%?

Have a dark jumper, wear dark shorts

Have a light jumper, wear light shorts

If both sides have the same, away team in the contrasting colour


Also not a fan of the notion clubs will be playing in both their away and home jersey for home games. We already dilute things with Anzac, dream time, sugar daddy and so on kit. Let's not dilute things more than necessary

Stop using you're common sense

 

[Unity-28]

Or how about the home team choose what they want to wear, and the opposition have to wear a clash strip if there is a clash?

 

[MKMatty]

I'm all for blocks of colour. The "White shorts away" rule has well and truly lived beyond it's means, and is nothing more than a stupid and unnecessary 'tradition' being retained for the sake of it. Although on the topic of shorts, Seems to me the AFL still see's the term "blue" as all encompassing in regards to shorts colour, which is ridiculous and also outdated thinking.

I feel the home club should be in full primary kit, visitors in full primary kit unless it clashes, in which case they wear their full contrast kit. Be that an inverse of their primary or something completely different is up to the club. If in this scenario the away teams primary and contrast kit both fail to be satisfactory in clearly identifying each club, then the home team is floated the option of an alternate shorts colour. Be that North in white shorts, West Coast in gold shorts, etc etc.

I'm sure there are some kinks that some smarter people than me will pick out of this model, but I feel it's the way forward. Keep the teams in their primary kit as much as possible.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Or how about the home team choose what they want to wear, and the opposition have to wear a clash strip if there is a clash?

The issue is for clubs who go half dark and half light

The away clubs only option is to go a completely opposite colour to anything either side is doing

Remember we have a Lions poster wanting RFC to not use any of our jumpers because their has a yellow lion, so we shouldn't have yellow

I like that in AFL for most games I can turn the tv on and instantly know whos playing by seeing the jumpers they have. I don't understand the obsession some have to have away clubs in white or some generic colour with no club affiliation

 

[oak79]

I'm all for blocks of colour. The "White shorts away" rule has well and truly lived beyond it's means, and is nothing more than a stupid and unnecessary 'tradition' being retained for the sake of it. Although on the topic of shorts, Seems to me the AFL still see's the term "blue" as all encompassing in regards to shorts colour, which is ridiculous and also outdated thinking.

I feel the home club should be in full primary kit, visitors in full primary kit unless it clashes, in which case they wear their full contrast kit. Be that an inverse of their primary or something completely different is up to the club. If in this scenario the away teams primary and contrast kit both fail to be satisfactory in clearly identifying each club, then the home team is floated the option of an alternate shorts colour. Be that North in white shorts, West Coast in gold shorts, etc etc.

I don't have an issue with the "team with white on their jumper wears white short" - if needed. Home or Away doesn't matter - only the Home jumper should be non-negotiable by Home side. But the the point is, its not always needed.

Example:
North v WCE : North should wear white shorts, WCE full royal - creates best contrast. Same with Cats v WCE. or North v Bulldogs
Adding white shorts to a team with no white, when playing a team with white is stupid (see Collingwood v Carlton for absolute madness)

However, North v Carlton - neither team needs to wear white shorts.

Similar Hawks v WCE - neither team need wear white shorts (though if 1 must, Hawks would be the better choice).

The generally have it right now for teams for Red shorts, and in most instances, white short are ok in games where North or Cats are home (but not always needed at all).

 

[Lagooner]

Or how about the home team choose what they want to wear, and the opposition have to wear a clash strip if there is a clash?

This is it.

If you create an alternate kit that contrasts well with your primary kit then you're covered for all situations. Home team does as they please, away team wears their alternate only if they have too.

The only thing that mucks up the two kit set up is a situation like West Coast when they have poor contrast between their home and away strips (navy and royal are pretty similar) so a third contrasting kit is required.

It's not that hard.

 

[NM_Mitchell]

Realistically, WCE full home would be fine against North's full home.

 

[Groupie_]

norf with white jumper and blue stripes >>>> norf with blue jumper and white stripes

 

[Lagooner]

Realistically, WCE full home would be fine against North's full home.

North (and Geelong) could wear their full home kit against almost every other team wearing their full home kit, apart from against each other of course.

 

[Silent Alarm]

I don't think there are cut and dry rules. At the start of the season, when clubs submit all jumpers and their relative place in the priority line, and the fixture's set in stone, the AFL should consult each club with their rulings. A month or fortnight out a club could appeal something; ala 300s, recent celebrations, last minute submissions to have a final set-up announced.

It should be judged on the hard to gauge common sense: North should be allowed to wear their full home uniform against Carlton, Collingwood, and basically most clubs where they're forced to wear white shorts.

 

[MKMatty]

FWIW this should have been the match up last weekend.

 

[Heardy_101]

FWIW this should have been the match up last weekend.

So why the fudge is this acceptable 12 years ago?

 

[wing it]

So why the fudge is this acceptable 12 years ago?

And yet the '99 GF saw the Roos in white shorts and hooped socks.

 

[Speck]

North at home v

Adelaide - home/blue
Brisbane - home/blue
Carlton - home/blue
Collingwood - home/blue (more blue can't be a bad thing)
Essendon - home/blue
Fremantle - home/blue
Geelong - home/blue (Geelong in navy)
Gold Coast - home/blue
GWS - home/blue
Hawthorn - home/blue
Melbourne - home/blue
Port Adelaide - home/blue
Richmond - home/blue
St Kilda - home/blue
Sydney - home/blue
West Coast - home/blue (West Coast should probably be forced into navy in this situation, if in Royal then North in home/white)
Western Bulldogs - home/white

So out of that, there is only one match up where the home with blue shorts wouldn't work against the opposition clubs home strip if colour v colour is allowed (West Coast is an odd one).

Geelong is a different case as I believe the navy is too close to black, navy, purple and charcoal.

 

[wing it]

I'd like to see the Roos go the full royal at home to Collingwood, just to see the reaction from Eddie having to wear the white clash. The League would probably disallow it though.

 

[Heardy_101]

Happy now Norf? You got to wear your precious blue shorts tonight.

 

[wing it]

Given they usually wear the white base when away to Sydney, is this a further sign that a permanent switch is in the offing?
Did indigenous round play any part in the full royal being used? I would've thought the indigenous designs would've stood out better on the white base, they were virtually invisible on the blue tonight.

 

[MKMatty]

I'd like to see the Roos go the full royal at home to Collingwood, just to see the reaction from Eddie having to wear the white clash. The League would probably disallow it though.

I'd actually like to see Kangas in full royal vs C'wood full black kit.

 

[wing it]

I'd actually like to see Kangas in full royal vs C'wood full black kit.

Yep, I'd like to see it purely to satisfy my curiosity as to whether it would be effective clashwise. (I suspect it wouldn't be).
I'd also like to see what North would look like in their royal top with white shorts.
I don't expect to see either outcome.