North want to sell a home game to the Dockers or Eagles

[screech]

This is so dumb. it wasn't a success at all.

People who want historical artefacts of Australian history and global sport can get to absolute ****. they need protecting. I despise Richmond but I want their grandstand to stay up; why are people so pissy about the supposedly irrelevance of a North Melbourne or Footscray?

Not a success? 4 premierships says otherwise.
Loss of history? How many stories and media features were there about a "South Melbourne v Fitzroy" grand final and the links to Melbourne.

The sad thing is these clubs were gifted a spot (and the status) in a national competition without any valid claim other than being in the right place at the right time. Much more successful clubs have been relegated to playing against "reserves teams" (e.g Norwood, East Fremantle, Sturt, South Fremantle, North Adelaide, etc)

 

[GC2015]

Weird move from North. I guess it shows their need for money outside their ventures in Victoria. They've been selling games to interstate markets for decades now and that continues with this move. The difference this time around is they aren't playing teams on neutral grounds in Tasmania or Canberra, they are just flat out handing over home advantage to their opposition. In 2025, they'll be playing opposition on their home ground 13 times + 3 or 4 "home" games on neutral grounds in Tassie and Adelaide (Gather Round). It doesn't bode well for the Roos in terms taking a step forward. They're looking at around 7 genuine home games in Melbourne next year and some of those will probably be against other Marvel tenants.

 

[bzparkes]

What a load of bullshit. Why should vic teams have to compensate for Perth being so far away? You have better weather and beaches as a positive, you are far away as a negative, that’s no one else’s fault.

because it's now the AFL. We all know it's taken a long time for the VFL dinosaurs to recognise it but we're slowly getting there.

 

[dean33]

This thread is full of woe is me western Australians… it’s all stacked against us, give us more home games, it’s all too hard. What pathetic loser attitude they have.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Weird move from North. I guess it shows their need for money outside their ventures in Victoria. They've been selling games to interstate markets for decades now and that continues with this move. The difference this time around is they aren't playing teams on neutral grounds in Tasmania or Canberra, they are just flat out handing over home advantage to their opposition. In 2025, they'll be playing opposition on their home ground 13 times + 3 or 4 "home" games on neutral grounds in Tassie and Adelaide (Gather Round). It doesn't bode well for the Roos in terms taking a step forward. They're looking at around 7 genuine home games in Melbourne next year and some of those will probably be against other Marvel tenants.

Didn’t Gold Coast do the same thing?

 

[VicBased]

You really can’t see what sort of precedent this is setting? What’s to stop a rich team buying 4 additional home games, or Sydney buying a few extra, Collingwood as well. Do we just open it up to the clubs to sort out who plays home and away based on who pays what?

that would be a YES from me

 

[oak79]

I don't get why North don't have two games at Bunbury and give North members first dibs at tickets for both games, they might get close to 50% of the crowd depending on capacity.

That's simple - North get paid twice as much for playing at Optus. Money is the whole point of the agreement for North.

Having 1 game in Bunbury / 1 in Perth help sell the "tourism" side of the deal. AFL can sell it as reaching the country regions. Also helps with HGA factor, as 1 game becomes more neutral. But $ wise I'm sure North would prefer 2 games in Perth with more $

Taking into account $, tourism, HGA, regional promotion - the balance is about right with the split.

 

[Boyohboywowwee]

In the last 20 years norf have now sold home games to every state and territory now accept for NT and SA but have hosted gather round games

 

[amazingjoshy]

This thread is full of woe is me western Australians… it’s all stacked against us, give us more home games, it’s all too hard. What pathetic loser attitude they have.

 

[Boozeroo]

In the last 20 years norf have now sold home games to every state and territory now accept for NT and SA but have hosted gather round games

And yet North have never stooped low enough to install bay covers.

 

[Philth]

This is so dumb. it wasn't a success at all.

People who want historical artefacts of Australian history and global sport can get to absolute ****. they need protecting. I despise Richmond but I want their grandstand to stay up; why are people so pissy about the supposedly irrelevance of a North Melbourne or Footscray?

Just out of interest - why do you despise the Tigers?

 

[Boyohboywowwee]

And yet North have never stooped low enough to install bay covers.

Tarps for a couple years or consent mediocrity and being irrelevant for 25 years, I know which one I prefer

 

[Chip Scab1]

Tarps for a couple years or consent mediocrity and being irrelevant for 25 years, I know which one I prefer

You've been irrelevant for much longer than 25 years mate, hate to break it to you.

 

[Purple Suit]

Perth isn't under-represented - Melbourne / Victoria is OVER represented - don't equate the two.

Ideally there should be less teams in Melbourne, not more teams in Perth.

I don't believe enough people would jump ship, especially for a metro team playing at Optus. More likely to get a following for a slightly removed market with a boutique stadium, such as the south west - however, I still strongly believe we should be reducing team numbers, not adding to it.

Perth has 1.1m people per team, the most if you include rugby teams with the numbers when looking at NSW/QLD as that is who they are competing with. That is underrepresented as far as stadium seats go. WC is full, Freo on the way by the time the 20th team comes in. We can either make Optus the size of the MCG or just add WA3 to fix this.

 

[bzparkes]

This thread is full of woe is me western Australians… it’s all stacked against us, give us more home games, it’s all too hard. What pathetic loser attitude they have.

Must be nice to have 18+ games at your home ground + an undeserved grand final and still sook about other teams getting less shafted.

 

[Randomizor]

This thread is full of woe is me western Australians… it’s all stacked against us, give us more home games, it’s all too hard. What pathetic loser attitude they have.

Seriously? From the supporter of the team that shrieked and cried about having to go down the road to play at Marvel?

 

[bzparkes]

Seriously? From the supporter of the team that shrieked and cried about having to go down the road to play at Marvel?

Also their entire board thinking the AFL is out to get their team specifically, after the AFL gifted them incredible runs of home games leading into finals, home GF against a higher placed team, letting Cotchin off, etc.

 

[Outtatym]

Tarps for a couple years or consent mediocrity and being irrelevant for 25 years, I know which one I prefer

Yeah, cos the Kenny era is anything but mediocre. Christ

 

[dean33]

Seriously? From the supporter of the team that shrieked and cried about having to go down the road to play at Marvel?

Us? We never cried, you’re thinking of the guy who coaches the suns.

 

[dean33]

Also their entire board thinking the AFL is out to get their team specifically, after the AFL gifted them incredible runs of home games leading into finals, home GF against a higher placed team, letting Cotchin off, etc.

Yes at rd 15 the afl completely changed our fixture so we never had to leave Melbourne. They also changed the rules from the highest place finisher gets a home grand final to make sure we got one at the mcg.
#VICBIAS

 

[Canberra Pear]

Perth has 1.1m people per team, the most if you include rugby teams with the numbers when looking at NSW/QLD as that is who they are competing with. That is underrepresented as far as stadium seats go. WC is full, Freo on the way by the time the 20th team comes in. We can either make Optus the size of the MCG or just add WA3 to fix this.

Just upgrade Optus to 70k as it was designed to do. Then have North playing the two games at Optus.

That's 360k extra seats every year.

 

[GoRoos2023]

We will go from 4 games in Tassie to 2 games in WA.

Players will stay in WA between those 2 games for mid season bonding which I can see some benefit in.

Honestly in terms of onfield I think we are better off with this deal.

2 extra games at Marvel, I congratulate the club on a really solid deal.

 

[Purple Suit]

Just upgrade Optus to 70k as it was designed to do. Then have North playing the two games at Optus.

That's 360k extra seats every year.

That would add 16% capacity instead of 50% to the market. I recon the 50% would be a lot cheaper too as it would have a quicker pay back period. Not to mention the lost capacity while they upgrade.

 

[Canberra Pear]

That would add 16% capacity instead of 50% to the market. I recon the 50% would be a lot cheaper too as it would have a quicker pay back period. Not to mention the lost capacity while they upgrade.

It's actually a 27% increase.

What are you expecting WA3 to average? They'd be buoyed by derbies, but I would guess 20-25k.

Whereas 360k seats would be the equivalent of averaging 32.7k seats over 11 games. That'd easily cover demand for the next decade or two.

Which means you can give Team 20 to somewhere that actually needs its own team (Canberra), and come back to WA3 if they're exceeding demand with 360k extra seats.

 

[Purple Suit]

It's actually a 27% increase.

What are you expecting WA3 to average? They'd be buoyed by derbies, but I would guess 20-25k.

Whereas 360k seats would be the equivalent of averaging 32.7k seats over 11 games. That'd easily cover demand for the next decade or two.

Which means you can give Team 20 to somewhere that actually needs its own team (Canberra), and come back to WA3 if they're exceeding demand with 360k extra seats.

What?

60k increased to 70k = 16.6% across 22 home games. 220k extra seats.

Extra 11 games per year = 50% capacity increase compared to 22 games for the whole season. 660k extra seats.

Freo averaged 23k year one in a 40k stadium with 1.3m in Perth. I recon WA3 gets conservatively 30k home attendance year 1.

It’s not just about the attendance. Its about having capacity for walk ups which we have bugger all compared to every other state.