Grand Slam Novak Djokovic Saga (another one): Novak Returns Chompers

[Wosh]

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World erupts as Novak Djokovic learns his fate over visa cancellation

The Australian government has been slammed for its handling of the Novak Djokovic saga following the news he will be deported and will miss the Australian Open.

www.news.com.au

 

[Alesana]

As silly as it sounds its foolish to pay attention to Scomo talking about anything foreign policy related.

I do realise that, but it fully supports why everyone else was getting into the country with the same exemption as Novak.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Well we got there in the end. Bit messy, but the right outcome was achieved. The upshot was that a renowned, very rich and unrepentant anti vaxxer tried to circumvent our vaccination rules, by virtue of a contrived medical exemption cooked up between Craig Tiley and himself.

I couldn’t care less what the ultimate official reason for revoking Djokovic’s visa was, it got the right result. “Potential to fuel anti vax sentiment in this country” sounds a bit flimsy to me, but that’s ok. They couldn’t get Al Capone for murder, but “Tax evasion” did the trick.

Basically Tiley and Djokovic attempted to game the rules and gain preferential treatment for Djokovic, which others would not receive. They got caught out. Peripheral matters, such as the initial granting of a visa, and undue process at the initial Border Force interview are red herrings, and irrelevant to the main issue in my view.

 

[76woodenspooners]

If being unvaccinated was THE issue, then why were all the other tennis-people allowed in unvaccinated? Human error? I'll give you that for 1 or 2 of them, but what about the third, fourth, fifth, sixth? What about all the non-tennis people that were getting in with the same exemption?
To quote one of the other players who was allowed in "Serdarusic said that a Border Force official had told him he may face 14-day quarantine after finding out he was unvaccinated and had an exemption. Serdarusic told her he wouldn’t have come to Australia had he known he’d face quarantine.

“Then she called her boss, he looked at the papers, photographed them and told me I could enter the country freely,” Serdarusic told Sport Klub.

This all comes back to ABF allowing people in based on Vic jurisdiction, but not doing that with Djokovic, and applying Federal jurisdiction instead. Nothing to do with him being unvaccinated, everything to do with how they considered the exemptions.

Dunno.

Maybe there are some who are publicly anti-vax, but privately have been vaccinated?

Maybe there are some who have received dodgy paperwork saying that they’re vaxed?

Maybe there are some who have legitimate medical exemptions?

Plenty of options before we start blaming the ABF or the Government.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Not sure that flight has 3 tiers.

Business class pretty darn nice though. Although eating vegan might present limited options.
If he was allowed that is...might have had a special 'deportation seat'.

Put the prick in the cargo hold.

 

[Lore]

Only thing I’m waiting on now is a full summary of reasons from the court. Hopefully it contains some gold…

 

[76woodenspooners]

French will let him play as a political statement because we snubbed their rubber band powered subs.

To be fair to France, it was us who specified rubber band powered subs, and it was us who asked them faff around with converting their nuclear powered subs into rubber band power.

 

[Alesana]

Dunno.

Maybe there are some who are publicly anti-vax, but privately have been vaccinated?

Maybe there are some who have received dodgy paperwork saying that they’re vaxed?

Maybe there are some who have legitimate medical exemptions?

Plenty of options before we start blaming the ABF or the Government.

This is only about the people who had the same exemption as Novak, which there were several. It seems they were all allowed in. One even had their entry escalated to a superior, and it was deemed correct to allow entry.

 

[phantom13]

I do realise that, but it fully supports why everyone else was getting into the country with the same exemption as Novak.

I think Novak was absolutely subject to additional scrutiny but thats part and parcel of being argurably the most famous tennis player in the world.

I have also got no doubt that in any other year minor errors in visa applications would be sorted out at the gate and wed never hear about them but those things arent an excuse for Novak, he was never entitled to come here under the current requirements. I actually think if hed never done his Insta post and just quietly jumped on a plane its likely this shit never happens.

 

[phantom13]

This is only about the people who had the same exemption as Novak, which there were several. It seems they were all allowed in. One even had their entry escalated to a superior, and it was deemed correct to allow entry.

Again, two wrongs dont make a right. If youre so upset about this you should be mad about the ones let in, not the Novak wasnt.

 

[Xtreme]

TA and Vic government are partially to blame for the visa saga, but no one wants to take any responsibility.

Highly unusual for both parties........
They love to bask in success, but hide or don't recall when things go south!

 

[Alesana]

I think Novak was absolutely subject to additional scrutiny but thats part and parcel of being argurably the most famous tennis player in the world.

I have also got no doubt that in any other year minor errors in visa applications would be sorted out at the gate and wed never hear about them but those things arent an excuse for Novak, he was never entitled to come here under the current requirements. I actually think if hed never done his Insta post and just quietly jumped on a plane its likely this sh*t never happens.

Again, two wrongs dont make a right. If youre so upset about this you should be mad about the ones let in, not the Novak wasnt.

Have to agree to disagree. The requirements were met, as per Vic rules on exemptions, and this is what he should have been subject to at the border as per the PM's statement and numerous foreigners being granted entry on this. I know it doesn't meet Federal requirements but that's not how they were rolling with these.

I agree he shouldn't have tweeted about it in hindsight, but he has every right to do that, he had what he needed, it's really not his fault that the officers looked at his exemption differently to everyone else's.

 

[76woodenspooners]

This is only about the people who had the same exemption as Novak, which there were several. It seems they were all allowed in. One even had their entry escalated to a superior, and it was deemed correct to allow entry.

Did they have the same exemption though?

Maybe they’d had Covid recently (just as ND did). And maybe they needed a medical review to confirm that they posed no risk of transmission (just as with ND)

But maybe they had also been vaccinated? (Unlike ND)

 

[phantom13]

Have to agree to disagree. The requirements were met, as per Vic rules on exemptions, and this is what he should have been subject to at the border as per the PM's statement and numerous foreigners being granted entry on this. I know it doesn't meet Federal requirements but that's not how they were rolling with these.

I agree he shouldn't have tweeted about it in hindsight, but he has every right to do that, he had what he needed, it's really not his fault that the officers looked at his exemption differently to everyone else's.

Given the bolded and the fact that immigration is a federal matter...

FWIW (and i think i said this in here) I still think Hawke should have dropped the issue and let him stay, the ensuing media circus is an absolute joke but fact remains that what happened to Novak is the system doing what it was supposed to do.

 

[WillemDaDrew]

In the middle of making dinner, dessert will be served around 7:30pm and put in the sticky

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[Wosh]

Morning tea





On to the Open, lets hope our Aussies do well and some serious lessons were learnt during this trainwreck of a process.

 

[madmug]

Given the bolded and the fact that immigration is a federal matter...

FWIW (and i think i said this in here) I still think Hawke should have dropped the issue and let him stay, the ensuing media circus is an absolute joke but fact remains that what happened to Novak is the system doing what it was supposed to do.

Have to agree. Now the Omicron is spreading as the Governments have 'let it rip', what's one unvaccinated arrival going to do? If he gets sick, who cares now.

Lying on his visa is a serious offence. On that alone he should be kicked out.

 

[phantom13]

Morning tea


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On to the Open, lets hope our Aussies do well and some serious lessons were learnt during this trainwreck of a process.

This is elite content. Socials be blowing up

 

[Jeremias]

Given the bolded and the fact that immigration is a federal matter...

FWIW (and i think i said this in here) I still think Hawke should have dropped the issue and let him stay, the ensuing media circus is an absolute joke but fact remains that what happened to Novak is the system doing what it was supposed to do.

The ensuing media circus would have had nothing on the ensuing circus had he stayed.

 

[Wosh]

 

[Wosh]

Only thing I’m waiting on now is a full summary of reasons from the court. Hopefully it contains some gold…

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[Mick F]

I do realise that, but it fully supports why everyone else was getting into the country with the same exemption as Novak.

How many times does this have to be covered.

Vic rules go by ATAGI: “vaccination can be deferred, in those with PCR- confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection, until complete recovery from the acute illness (which may be up to 6 months)”.

Health Minister Hunt repeatedly advised TA that a positive PCR test did not prevent persons from being vaccinated, and therefore would not constitute a ‘medical condition’ for an exemption from being vaccinated.

ABF therefore accepted, in good faith, that the exemptions issued by TA’s Dr Lickspittle would be for a valid ‘medical condition’.

Djokovic knew he had never been advised that vaccination endangered his health/life. He lied to the ABF officers, when he repeatedly asserted he had written Federal Government approval.

It is not practical for public servants to go through everything with a fine tooth comb. As stated by Judge Kelly: administrative efficiency, timeliness and cost are valid considerations when implementing legislation.

… and previously mentioned by Proper Gander to my preference for a ‘fair hearing’, prior to a visa being considered - “If you, as a taxpayer, want to fork out for increasing the workforce of immigration by a factor of more than 20x then absolutely this would be a great idea”.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Morning tea


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On to the Open, lets hope our Aussies do well and some serious lessons were learnt during this trainwreck of a process.

I made these on the weekend.. galaktomboureko.. a week's worth for the Aus Open.. hard to stop once you start though.. probably only enough for another couple of days..

 

[Giant Strides]

Morning tea

On to the Open, lets hope our Aussies do well and some serious lessons were learnt during this trainwreck of a process.

Lovin' the cake, but on the latter, I'm afraid I am a pessimist when he comes to politicians, bureaucrats and big organisations learning lessons. More image-conscious than issue-aware!

 

[Wosh]

I made these on the weekend.. galaktomboureko.. a week's worth for the Aus Open.. hard to stop once you start though.. probably only enough for another couple of days..

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One of my favourites
Go The Kokk!

 

[Giant Strides]

I made these on the weekend.. galaktomboureko.. a week's worth for the Aus Open.. hard to stop once you start though.. probably only enough for another couple of days..

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Yeah, that looks like enough for one exciting 5-setter.