Upper would be very disappointed as he said all the right things before joining them but I guess he is well practiced with all the moves he’s made. Bayliss putting his flock back together Baa
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He certainly has history and does say the ‘right’ things. I thought he was onboard at UFTG this year and unfortunately the lure of rejoining his ‘mates’ at Corio was too much, especially with the alleged remuneration on offer. Like many of these types, I cannot fathom why clubs fall for the same story, hook, line and sinker.
They may have ability, but definitely no character or other positive attributes that can benefit a club through the constant ‘club hopping’.
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Well that was my thought as well. Not a great look if
clubs close to one another can’t raise 
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He came to UFTG alone, so its not that surprising given his age compared to the team demographic that hes moved on.
UFTG has always had a reputation of being a bit a cliquey club.
- Sep 22, 2011
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It’s true. But there is blatant mismanagement from the league’s end here.
The EFNL has a stated strategy of having 50 senior men’s clubs.
They now have two clubs seemingly on the verge of folding.
Nunawading is based in Blackburn North, five minutes from Blackburn, who last year fielded 37 teams across all age groups and genders (according to the EFNL annual report.
Forest Hill is three minutes from Vermont, who fielded 34 teams.
Simply going off the their own stated strategy, it’s an enormous failure by the league. How they can have this strategic aim and then totally miss this is incredible.
Honestly, if they were a higher profile body or a public company, people would be looking to call an EGM and chuck the Board and CEO out in favour of people who can execute strategy.
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Extremely overdramatic.
You can't force people to go play for a different club without an extreme risk of losing them to the sport completely and in the end participation is king.
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Have to agree here - I like what you have to say generally bunk however you can’t force blokes (especially kids) to play somewhere….
What the league COULD do however is what previous admins have done (surrey hills in the 90s comes to mind)
- encourage and support the merger (even if it’s ’temporary’ initially for this year)
- encourage and support the funneling of ‘extras’ from clubs to assist if numbers are poor - e.g.: clubs with a excess number of players on a given week can offer the excess blokes a kick in the nuna zebras 2s for instance…
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Who said anything about forcing them?
Build the clubs and the people come. That’s how it works.
It’s plain as day there’s an enormous imbalance in the area and it needs to be fixed.
The EFNL put all this effort into bringing new clubs in and current clubs just die. It’s a zero sum game and a stupid way to go about things.
It’s not about participation, there objectively is enough players when you look at dozens and dozens of teams just minutes away.
This sort of stuff is the league’s job - they’re focused totally on the wrong thing. They want 50 clubs - that’s their own words. They’re failing hopelessly.
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Easy fix to the oversaturation in certain areas that some clubs fold.
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Rusty ended up at uftg cause the coach fisher coached him at mt ev. The coach gets sacked. Rusty leaves.
Surely not rocket science.
Moreland reckons there’s 1 more coming. I’m tipping one of the Coldstream boys.
Surely not rocket science.
Moreland reckons there’s 1 more coming. I’m tipping one of the Coldstream boys.
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I think that final line is completely unfounded. They are my club of choice in the area and I arrived as an outsider with a long history at another club.
I find them to be a welcoming club at all levels.
They could be conceived as insular as they don’t rely wads of cash to bring in imports and tend to grow from within. This makes those around the place very close and loyal, which I love. Reading this forum the last few weeks people are commending clubs that head down this path.
What Bunk is saying (I think) is that there are plenty of players in those areas to go around all the clubs - even those that are struggling.
The league has an important role to support these clubs to allow them to continue to survive and thrive.
What they can do is for example, provide practical assistance in fund raising, sponsorship and membership, one off grants if need be, marketing support, lobby local, state and federal government on their behalf for assistance. The AFL has a role as well.
In my experience at club land the league offer very little in this way and the AFL even less.
The biggest stress point is funds, followed closely by volunteers.
The EFNL and AFL have significant resources at their disposal and yet they lack the ability to ensure the health of the game at grassroots level roots is where it should be.
An example that can be used when checking salary caps.
- Sep 22, 2011
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I don’t even think so much it’s what they “should” be doing.
I’m just going off their own wishes. As I’ve said, it’s their own strategy that wants 50 clubs. They’ve said it multiple times.
So why on earth do they just stand there while 1 or even 2 clubs just dies? When one (Glen Wav) is already gone?
When there’s enough players for 2-3 clubs at the massive joint literally 5 mins down the street?
It doesn’t make any sense except that they lack the basic sense and skills to execute their own strategy.
Just shows what they are doing is unsustainable. Happy to chase new clubs, but have zero to do when an existing club is dying.
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Tend to agree with you on this one, think it’s easy to have a go at him for moving club to club, but don’t under estimate the development he would of done with the younger midfielders who will stay loyal for the next 10 years.
As much as you all dislike the players who come in take the money and leave that doesn’t mean they don’t have a positive impact on the list and younger players, they get paid well for a reason they are good and have higher standards if they have shown the way for 18 games and move on, big deal it’s the opportunity for the ones who stay to step up and take over the hole they leave!
Certainly not the experience from a few players that come thru the club via their under 19s over the last decade. You were either in the group or you were a nobody. There was no surprise such a large amount of players left that club over the last few years.
Remember the experience of an older bloke coming into a club later in life in his 40s or 50s is going to be much different than an 18 or 19 year old who is finding his way in life.
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Ask the question where did you hear Nunawading was merging with Forest Hill.My mail seeing we played Forest Hill Cricket Club a week ago they have good numbers on the track and will perhaps be fielding a U19 team with the boys that planned to play U19,s with Nunawading if they had of got a side across plus all their U17,s that played at Forest Hill last season.The big question with Forest Hill is their rooms are currently being done up and will their early home games be at Koonung Reserve if no Nunawading seniors.lol.Long term as many have said they need to get it right off field with their junior program with junior football and cricket.Sad to say a problem at Forest Hill and perhaps East Burwood as well.Only time will tell about the future of Forest Hill and Nunawading hopefully both will get sides on the park this season.
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It’s fairly common knowledge gmac. There were discussions pre Christmas and my understanding is forest hill are struggling and nuna will essentially run as a girls’ club this season (footy and netball)
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Players that act like mercenaries are disliked largely because they behave like “professionals” in a world that is anything but.
Local clubs are not big money operations. They’re pretty much all surviving on volunteers and goodwill to raise enough money to give everybody a good show on Saturday. You strip everything back and in 95% of clubs it comes back to people working hard for nothing to make it happen.
So when you get somebody who is clearly only in it for the money, the money that is only raised through this hard work… yeah, it jars people a bit.
Plenty of players get paid but also hang around at a club and commit for a decent amount of time even if bigger offers may come.
Bloke who come in and then leave as soon as there’s a bigger cheque will always attract some hate.
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Culture problems at FH....so many committee changes in the last 2 years.
Sometimes clubs burn themselves
Sometimes clubs burn themselves
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Interesting Croydon look to be having a EGM this week as it looks like they don’t have a committee.
So hard to get volunteers these days
So hard to get volunteers these days
If anyone gets to see the amount of extra work lumped on clubs from above these days no wonder.
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A few points.
1. We have a generation that is succumbing to old age.
2. We have a new generation where "what's in it for me?".
3. Volunteers' kids move on so they follow in most circumstances.
4. Underappreciation is why many pull the pin on volunteer work. It becomes a job so the enjoyment goes out of it.
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My experiences (though I’m a few years out):
Your major volunteer base used to be players parents. That has shrunk dramatically.
Everybody is working so much harder now. People with jobs are working longer hours. Some even have second jobs due to the cost of housing and living.
Wasn’t that long ago that plenty of mothers didn’t work at all, or worked part-time. Forget that now. Everybody works full time.
… I always make the the comment that whenever everybody is pulling each other off about how much our houses are worth, remember there’s a society price to pay.
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The transition from Junior parent volunteers to Seniors is an issue. Many think the jobs done as their kids are now adults. I admire clubs that have worked hard to get that transition right. Mitcham is way ahead of everyone through the hard work and dedication of many. We talk about Juniors as far as players go, it's a plus as far as volunteers go. The bigger the pool the bigger %% you can get those junior parents transitioning to the Seniors.
